Did President Trump collude with Russia?

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Did President Trump collude with Russia?

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  1. Trump was receptive to a Campaign national security adviser’s (George Papadopoulos) pursuit of a back channel to Putin.
  2. Kremlin operatives provided the Campaign a preview of the Russian plan to distribute stolen emails.
  3. The Trump Campaign chairman and deputy chairman (Paul Manafort and Rick Gates) knowingly shared internal polling data and information on battleground states with a Russian spy; and the Campaign chairman worked with the Russian spy on a pro-Russia “peace” plan for Ukraine.
  4. The Trump Campaign chairman periodically shared internal polling data with the Russian spy with the expectation it would be shared with Putin-linked oligarch, Oleg Deripaska.
  5. Trump Campaign chairman Manafort expected Trump’s winning the presidency would mean Deripaska would want to use Manafort to advance Deripaska’s interests in the United States and elsewhere.
  6. Trump Tower meeting: (1) On receiving an email offering derogatory information on Clinton coming from a Russian government official, Donald Trump Jr. “appears to have accepted that offer;” (2) members of the Campaign discussed the Trump Tower meeting beforehand; (3) Donald Trump Jr. told the Russians during the meeting that Trump could revisit the issue of the Magnitsky Act if elected.
  7. A Trump Campaign official told the Special Counsel he “felt obliged to object” to a GOP Platform change on Ukraine because it contradicted Trump’s wishes; however, the investigation did not establish that Gordon was directed by Trump.
  8. Russian military hackers may have followed Trump’s July 27, 2016 public statement “Russia if you’re listening …” within hours by targeting Clinton’s personal office for the first time.
  9. Trump requested campaign affiliates to get Clinton’s emails, which resulted in an individual apparently acting in coordination with the Campaign claiming to have successfully contacted Russian hackers.
  10. The Trump Campaign—and Trump personally—appeared to have advanced knowledge of future WikiLeaks releases.
  11. The Trump Campaign coordinated campaign-related public communications based on future WikiLeaks releases.
  12. Michael Cohen, on behalf of the Trump Organization, brokered a secret deal for a Trump Tower Moscow project directly involving Putin’s inner circle, at least until June 2016.
  13. During the presidential transition, Jared Kushner and Eric Prince engaged in secret back channel communications with Russian agents. (1) Kushner suggested to the Russian Ambassador that they use a secure communication line from within the Russian Embassy to speak with Russian Generals; and (2) Prince and Kushner’s friend Rick Gerson conducted secret back channel meetings with a Putin agent to develop a plan for U.S.-Russian relations.
  14. During the presidential transition, in coordination with other members of the Transition Team, Michael Flynn spoke with the Russian Ambassador to prevent a tit for tat Russian response to the Obama administration’s imposition of sanctions for election interference; the Russians agreed not to retaliate saying they wanted a good relationship with the incoming administration.
During the course of 2016, Trump Campaign associates failed to report any of the Russian/WikiLeaks overtures to federal law enforcement, publicly denied any contacts with Russians/WikiLeaks, and actively encouraged the public to doubt that Russia was behind the hacking and distribution of stolen emails.

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This is what “no collusion” looks like:
Mueller Report Shows Depth of Connections Between Trump Campaign and Russians

“Donald J. Trump and 18 of his associates had at least 140 contacts with Russian nationals and WikiLeaks, or their intermediaries, during the 2016 campaign and presidential transition, according to a New York Times analysis.

“The report of Robert S. Mueller III, released to the public on Thursday, revealed at least 30 more contacts beyond those previously known. However, the special counsel said, ‘the evidence was not sufficient to support criminal charges.’

“Very few, if any, of these interactions were publicly known before Mr. Trump took office.”

At least 36 contacts by Sr, Jr and Jared alone.
Whether or not there was collusion (there was) and whether or not Trump participated in the collusion (he did), there is no longer any doubt that Trump supporters were and remain useful idiots for Putin. Barr, Rosenstein, Mueller, and even the Senate GOP and Pence have all in effect said so.
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All of Robert Mueller’s indictments and plea deals in the Russia investigation
The investigation is now complete.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... grand-jury

Indictments of top aides:
Nixon: 12 in 5.5 years
Bill Clinton: 3 in 8 years
Obama: 1 in 8 years (Republican/Independent Gen. David Petraeus’ misdemeanor)
President Trump: 8 in 2.5 years
President Trump's pace is worse than the worst POTUS, Nixon, and worse than any Dem.

Before longtime Trump confidant Roger Stone's arrest:
"The Special Counsel has now secured guilty pleas from President Trump’s personal attorney, his campaign manager, his deputy campaign manager, a foreign policy advisor to his campaign, and his National Security Advisor. He has filed 191 charges against more than thirty individuals—almost all of whom are in President Trump’s orbit, Vladimir Putin’s orbit, or both. The President can pretend that this investigation has nothing to do with him and nothing to do with Russia, but these indictments speak for themselves."
— Congressman Jerrold Nadler
https://nadler.house.gov/press-release/ ... uilty-plea

Found elsewhere, not completely verified by me but looks comprehensive and accurate:
Trump-Russia Investigation
15 months
32 Indictments/Charges (Individuals) (and counting)

3 Indictments/Charges (Companies)
5 GUILTY pleas (and counting)
4 CONVICTIONS (and counting)

Indicted: Paul Manafort
Indicted: Rick Gates
Indicted: George Papadopoulos
Indicted: Michael Flynn
Indicted: Richard Pinedo
Indicted: Alex van der Zwaan
Indicted: Konstantin Kilimnik
Indicted: 12 Russian GRU officers
Indicted: Yevgeny Prigozhin
Indicted: Mikhail Burchik
Indicted: Aleksandra Krylova
Indicted: Anna Bogacheva
Indicted: Sergey Polozov
Indicted: Maria Bovda
Indicted: Dzheykhun Aslanov
Indicted: Vadim Podkopaev
Indicted: Irina Kaverzina
Indicted: Gleb Vasilchenko
Indicted: Internet Research Agency
Indicted: Concord Management
Indicted: Roger Stone

Guilty Plea: Michael Flynn
Guilty Plea: George Papadopolous
Guilty Plea: Richard Pinedo
Guilty Plea: Alex van der Zwaan
Guilty Plea: Rick Gates

Found Guilty: Manafort
Found Guilty: Flynn
Found Guilty: Cohen
Found guilty: Stone

Over 200 Criminal Charges (and counting):

Conspiracy against the USA (2 counts)
Conspiracy to launder money (2 counts)
Bank fraud (8 counts)
Bank fraud conspiracy (10 counts)
Subscribing to false tax returns (10 counts)
Making false statements (6 counts)
Failure to file reports of foreign bank accounts (14 counts)
Unregistered agent of a foreign principal (2 counts)
False FARA statements (2 counts)
Subscribing to false tax returns (10 counts)
Assisting in preparation of false tax documents (5 counts)
Conspiracy to defraud the United States (13 counts)
Conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud (2 counts)
Aggravated identity theft (24 counts)
GOP Admins Had 38 Times More Criminal Convictions Than Democrats, 1961-2016
We compared 56 years of corruption in Republican and Democratic presidencies: both sides are not equally corrupt.
https://rantt.com/gop-admins-had-38-tim ... -1961-2016
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That's rather incredible.
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bannination wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:40 pm
Did President Trump collude with Russia?
Interesting read to me. Glenn Greenwald does not really address the Russian meddling, itself, but he does scathe the notion of proven Trump team collusion. He thoroughly trashes the FBI, the national security state, the Dems and the media.

I don't necessarily buy what he's saying, but it's not like he is or ever has been a shill for Trump or the rightwing.
The Inspector General’s Report on 2016 FBI Spying Reveals a Scandal of Historic Magnitude: Not Only for the FBI but Also the U.S. Media

Just as was true when the Mueller investigation closed without a single American being charged with criminally conspiring with Russia over the 2016 election, Wednesday’s issuance of the long-waited report from the Department of Justice’s Inspector General reveals that years of major claims and narratives from the U.S. media were utter frauds.

Before evaluating the media component of this scandal, the FBI’s gross abuse of its power – its serial deceit – is so grave and manifest that it requires little effort to demonstrate it. In sum, the IG Report documents multiple instances in which the FBI – in order to convince a FISA court to allow it spy on former Trump campaign operative Carter Page during the 2016 election – manipulated documents, concealed crucial exonerating evidence, and touted what it knew were unreliable if not outright false claims.

If you don’t consider FBI lying, concealment of evidence, and manipulation of documents in order to spy on a U.S. citizen in the middle of a presidential campaign to be a major scandal, what is? But none of this is aberrational: the FBI still has its headquarters in a building named after J. Edgar Hoover – who constantly blackmailed elected officials with dossiers and tried to blackmail Martin Luther King into killing himself – because that’s what these security state agencies are. They are out-of-control, virtually unlimited police state factions that lie, abuse their spying and law enforcement powers, and subvert democracy and civic and political freedoms as a matter of course.

In this case, no rational person should allow standard partisan bickering to distort or hide this severe FBI corruption. The IG Report leaves no doubt about it. It’s brimming with proof of FBI subterfuge and deceit, all in service of persuading a FISA court of something that was not true: that U.S. citizen and former Trump campaign official Carter Page was an agent of the Russian government and therefore needed to have his communications surveilled....
NYT: We Just Got a Rare Look at National Security Surveillance. It Was Ugly.
A high-profile inspector general report has served as fodder for arguments about President Trump. But its findings about surveillance are important beyond partisan politics.
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Forum post. Not verified by me, but is accurate as far as I can recall.
“We do a lot of business with the Russians.” "I met him [Putin] once.” “We don't rely on American banks.”
-- Donald Trump - David Letterman Show, Oct. 17, 2013

“I do have a relationship with him [Putin] and I can tell you that he’s very interested in what we’re doing here today.”
-- Donald Trump - MSNBC, Nov. 2013

“When I went to Russia with the Miss Universe pageant, he [Putin] contacted me and was so nice."
-- Donald Trump - Fox and Friends, Feb. 10, 2014

“I will tell you that I think in terms of leadership, he [Putin] is getting an 'A'."
-- Donald Trump - Bill O' Reilly Sep. 29, 2015

“Yes,” Trump says. “Yes, a long time ago. We got along great, by the way.”
-- Michael Savage asks Trump if he’s met Vladimir Putin. Oct. 6 2015

“I have no relationship with him [Putin].”
-- Donald Trump - Feb. 17, 2016

“Putin has been very nice to me.”
-- Donald Trump - Campaign rally in Alabama, Feb. 28, 2016

Asked if he’s ever spoken to Vladimir Putin, Trump gives a “no comment” to Fox News’ Bret Baier. May 5, 2016.

“But I have nothing to do with Russia, nothing to do, I never met Putin, I have nothing to do with Russia whatsoever.”
-- Donald Trump - Miami CBS affiliate, July 27, 2016

“I never met Putin,” Trump said. “I don’t know who Putin is. He said one nice thing about me. He said I'm a genius. I said thank you very much… and that was the end of it. I never met Putin.”
-- Donald Trump - News conference, July 27, 2016

"With great respect. I have no relationship with Putin. I don't think I've ever met him. I never met him. I don't think I've ever met him."
-- Donald Trump - July 2016 interview on ABC's "This Week".
"Yes, I think so. So I've — I don't think I've ever met him. I mean if he's in the same room or something. But I don't think so."
-- Donald Trump - ABC's George Stephanopoulos tried to make sense of Trump's contradictory statements, in a July 2016 interview on ABC's "This Week".

“I don’t know Putin."
-- Donald Trump - Presidential debate, Oct. 9, 2016
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