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Re: Good explanation of net neutrality and why it affects you.

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Re: Good explanation of net neutrality and why it affects you.

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I guess it's only right, we've turned over everything else we the People created.

Turning over all the profits of building access to Space may have been the biggest give away of all time.
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Re: Good explanation of net neutrality and why it affects you.

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billy.pilgrim wrote:
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Turning over all the profits of building access to Space may have been the biggest give away of all time.
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Re: Good explanation of net neutrality and why it affects you.

Unread post by billy.pilgrim » Sun Oct 08, 2017 2:18 pm

rstrong wrote:
Sun Oct 08, 2017 1:26 pm
billy.pilgrim wrote:
Sun Oct 08, 2017 12:06 pm
Turning over all the profits of building access to Space may have been the biggest give away of all time.
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how do you see the American taxpayer funding the programs with the billions and billions it took to put satellites and people into space only to turn around and charge pennies to wealthy monopolistic corporations to ferry the satellites they use to relay phone and internet from unsightly cell towers scattered almost everywhere to our phones and to their wallets?

It the 70s most corporate media and politicians argued against satellite phones due to the ability of drug dealers and criminals being able to use them undetected. I'm sure that I don't know enough to discuss this subject, but I somehow find it strange that the last time I saw anything substantive on mainstream media was Comrade Cronkite's 1979 show Beyond 2000 when he used the drug dealer rational for why we should/would go the cell phone route, but he also described that a large satellite could provide almost unlimited communications for our hemisphere and that 3 would cover the planet. then he reinforced the reason for not using them due to national security because the soviets could shoot one down and disable us.


seems to me that if Washington was watching out for me, I would have more money and communication utility while Verizon would be a tiny company that made handsets and the people who died because they were out of cell range would have been found.

it was the citizen's money and vote that created our access to Space, but use of Space is paid out every month to cell phone companies.

no different than the huge pharma profits on drugs created at public universities or the cdc or even by the big pharma employee who was educated at a public university

or Medicare part D

or oil and timber leases on nationally owned property - handed out at almost nothing to the BPs and Exxons

or ...
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Re: Good explanation of net neutrality and why it affects you.

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billy.pilgrim wrote:
Sun Oct 08, 2017 2:18 pm
how do you see the American taxpayer funding the programs with the billions and billions it took to put satellites and people into space only to turn around and charge pennies to wealthy monopolistic corporations to ferry the satellites they use to relay phone and internet from unsightly cell towers scattered almost everywhere to our phones and to their wallets?
If you're using a cell phone or browsing the internet, you're almost certainly NOT communicating via satellite. It's all digital data, voice and SMS and internet mixed together.

It's a 52,398 mile round trip to geosynchronous orbit. Which adds half-second delay to each data packet. When you're browsing the web using TCP/IP - computers on both ends sending data back and forth to confirm that each packet got through - that delay adds up.

Which is why we're still building undersea cables like crazy. Virtually all internet traffic - by land and crossing the oceans - is by cable.

Communications satellites are used for things like video and audio broadcasting where the delay doesn't matter. And of course satellite phones for where there are no cell towers.

So the money you pay to Verizon or Comcast (spit) has approximately nothing to do with the space program. And frankly, what they charge has little to do with the cost. It's about "regulatory capture" - Verizon, Comcast (spit) and the rest bribing lobbying public officials to grant them monopolies and keep out competition.

When they did use satellites, they were more the victim of the launch industry than a participant. There HAS been an launch industry oligopoly by Boeing and Lockheed Martin. And since that wasn't close enough to a monopoly, they formed the United Launch Alliance to act as one company.

But with SpaceX and Orbital Sciences now making regular flights, and Blue Origin's New Glenn on the way, and lots of international competition now open to US payloads, prices have dropped. Especially with SpaceX now allowed to launch military payloads. The taxpayers will still be fleeced until ULA contracts run out. And while the Senate Launch System fiasco continues.
It the 70s most corporate media and politicians argued against satellite phones due to the ability of drug dealers and criminals being able to use them undetected. I'm sure that I don't know enough to discuss this subject, but I somehow find it strange that the last time I saw anything substantive on mainstream media was Comrade Cronkite's 1979 show Beyond 2000 when he used the drug dealer rational for why we should/would go the cell phone route, but he also described that a large satellite could provide almost unlimited communications for our hemisphere and that 3 would cover the planet.
We know how impractical his vision was because we now have the experience.

- Three geosynchronous satellites would cover the planet - for only a few channels or conversations at a time. By 10 years later there were dozens of satellites just to cover North America.

- And you couldn't use a satellite phone with them without carrying around a big fold-up dish and knowing how to point it.

- Modern satellite phones had to wait for the Iridium satellite constellation - many satellites in lower orbit - to launch. But it had it's limitations: Very low bandwith, usable only outside, high cost, etc. Which meant no wide-spread adoption and the company declaring Chapter 11 nine months later.

- Which in turn led to the "Iridium Flu." Similar constellations being cancelled. And pulling the rug out from under the private small launch industry that was developing to service them. (Think SpaceX with Falcon 1, but a decade earlier.)

Now we're a couple generations of constellations and phones later, and Cronkite's vision is closer. (SpaceX will be launching Iridium NEXT satellites 21–30 tomorrow just after noon.) But where cell phone coverage is available, it can't compete.

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Re: Good explanation of net neutrality and why it affects you.

Unread post by billy.pilgrim » Sun Oct 08, 2017 5:56 pm

rstrong wrote:
Sun Oct 08, 2017 5:22 pm
billy.pilgrim wrote:
Sun Oct 08, 2017 2:18 pm
how do you see the American taxpayer funding the programs with the billions and billions it took to put satellites and people into space only to turn around and charge pennies to wealthy monopolistic corporations to ferry the satellites they use to relay phone and internet from unsightly cell towers scattered almost everywhere to our phones and to their wallets?
If you're using a cell phone or browsing the internet, you're almost certainly NOT communicating via satellite. It's all digital data, voice and SMS and internet mixed together.

It's a 52,398 mile round trip to geosynchronous orbit. Which adds half-second delay to each data packet. When you're browsing the web using TCP/IP - computers on both ends sending data back and forth to confirm that each packet got through - that delay adds up.

Which is why we're still building undersea cables like crazy. Virtually all internet traffic - by land and crossing the oceans - is by cable.

Communications satellites are used for things like video and audio broadcasting where the delay doesn't matter. And of course satellite phones for where there are no cell towers.

So the money you pay to Verizon or Comcast (spit) has approximately nothing to do with the space program. And frankly, what they charge has little to do with the cost. It's about "regulatory capture" - Verizon, Comcast (spit) and the rest bribing lobbying public officials to grant them monopolies and keep out competition.

When they did use satellites, they were more the victim of the launch industry than a participant. There HAS been an launch industry oligopoly by Boeing and Lockheed Martin. And since that wasn't close enough to a monopoly, they formed the United Launch Alliance to act as one company.

But with SpaceX and Orbital Sciences now making regular flights, and Blue Origin's New Glenn on the way, and lots of international competition now open to US payloads, prices have dropped. Especially with SpaceX now allowed to launch military payloads. The taxpayers will still be fleeced until ULA contracts run out. And while the Senate Launch System fiasco continues.
It the 70s most corporate media and politicians argued against satellite phones due to the ability of drug dealers and criminals being able to use them undetected. I'm sure that I don't know enough to discuss this subject, but I somehow find it strange that the last time I saw anything substantive on mainstream media was Comrade Cronkite's 1979 show Beyond 2000 when he used the drug dealer rational for why we should/would go the cell phone route, but he also described that a large satellite could provide almost unlimited communications for our hemisphere and that 3 would cover the planet.
We know how impractical his vision was because we now have the experience.

- Three geosynchronous satellites would cover the planet - for only a few channels or conversations at a time. By 10 years later there were dozens of satellites just to cover North America.

- And you couldn't use a satellite phone with them without carrying around a big fold-up dish and knowing how to point it.

- Modern satellite phones had to wait for the Iridium satellite constellation - many satellites in lower orbit - to launch. But it had it's limitations: Very low bandwith, usable only outside, high cost, etc. Which meant no wide-spread adoption and the company declaring Chapter 11 nine months later.

- Which in turn led to the "Iridium Flu." Similar constellations being cancelled. And pulling the rug out from under the private small launch industry that was developing to service them. (Think SpaceX with Falcon 1, but a decade earlier.)

Now we're a couple generations of constellations and phones later, and Cronkite's vision is closer. (SpaceX will be launching Iridium NEXT satellites 21–30 tomorrow just after noon.) But where cell phone coverage is available, it can't compete.
You are probably right, I don't keep up enough with science and technology except as required to make a living. But there has to be good reason that all the talk in the 70s had to do with national security and bad drug dealers, not the technology - but then it was probably the same reason the media doesn't ask why repugs are lying when they say that people have to meet a huge deductible before insurance kicks in for a doctor visit.
I don't know the tech, but so often cost is used to explain away something better for the people, but not enough profit for the industry (solar), but demand drops costs far below anything imaginable (transistor radios, cell phones, computers etc).

the point is that we created these things with our tax dollars, yet we sell to interests who overcharge us in return, be it space, oil, timber, minerals ect - we charge below market to these huge monopolistic companies and bail them out when they fail.
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Simply put, Republicans are far more into socialism than Democrats ever were. But for the wealthy and for corporations.

The public shares the costs - public resources, publicly funded research, environmental cleanups and corporate bailouts. It's only the profits and benefits that are privatized.

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FCC stonewalling probe of 'massive scheme' involving fake net neutrality comments, New York attorney general says

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To my members of Congress:

Use the Congressional Review Act to reverse the FCC’s hasty and misguided dismantling of net neutrality protections. The future of our free, fair, and open internet is at stake.
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Congress took $101 million in donations from the ISP industry — here’s how much your lawmaker got
Comcast, Verizon, AT&T, and others spread their money far and wide to influence your government


Telecom industry contributions: US Senate
Burr, Richard, NC, R, $733,127
Tillis, Thom, NC, R, $124,700

Telecom industry contributions: US House of Representatives
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Not directly a net neutrality issue, but speaks to the current FCC's corruption:
F.C.C. Watchdog Looks Into Changes That Benefited Sinclair

Last April, the chairman of the Federal Communications Commission, Ajit Pai, led the charge for his agency to approve rules allowing television broadcasters to greatly increase the number of stations they own. A few weeks later, Sinclair Broadcasting announced a blockbuster $3.9 billion deal to buy Tribune Media — a deal those new rules made possible.

By the end of the year, in a previously undisclosed move, the top internal watchdog for the F.C.C. opened an investigation into whether Mr. Pai and his aides had improperly pushed for the rule changes and whether they had timed them to benefit Sinclair, according to Representative Frank Pallone of New Jersey and two congressional aides.

“For months I have been trying to get to the bottom of the allegations about Chairman Pai’s relationship with Sinclair Broadcasting,” Mr. Pallone, the top Democrat on the committee that oversees the F.C.C., said in the statement to The New York Times. “I am grateful to the F.C.C.’s inspector general that he has decided to take up this important investigation.”

It was unclear the extent of the inspector general’s investigation or when it might conclude, but the inquiry puts a spotlight on Mr. Pai’s decisions and whether there had been coordination with the company. It may also force him to answer questions that he has so far avoided addressing in public....
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Just when you didn't think you needed more reason to despise the NRA . . .

NRA honors FCC chair with rifle for repealing 'net neutrality'
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We're running out of time to save net neutrality.

The FCC voted to kill net neutrality and let ISPs like Comcast ruin the web with throttling, censorship, and new fees. Congress has 60 legislative days to overrule them and save the Internet using the Congressional Review Act (CRA), but we still need #OneMoreVote to win in the Senate. Can you write Congress now?
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Senate to Trump: Back Off Your Bid to End Net Neutrality
The president’s regulation will go forward in June anyways. But he got a slap on the wrist Wednesday


The Senate on Wednesday delivered a rebuke to the Trump administration when all Democrats and three Republicans voted to reinstate net-neutrality regulations that the Federal Communications Commission scrapped last year.

The measure was largely symbolic as it stands little chance of passing through the House of Representatives and virtually none at all of winning the signature of President Donald Trump. But it shows a political opening for proponents of net neutrality, should the balance of power swing toward the Democrats after the midterm elections later this year. It also illustrates that the debate over how data is transmitted on the Internet is not cleanly divided along partisan lines.

Sens. Susan Collins (R-ME), John Kennedy (R-LA), and Lisa Murkowski (R-AK) were the only Republicans who voted for the resolution, which was introduced by Sen. Ed Markey (D-MA). Without their support, it would not have passed. Those Republicans backed the measure even after GOP leaders undertook an intense lobbying campaign against it. Despite strong objections from Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) and his leadership team, Democrats successfully forced a vote on the issue using the Congressional Review Act, a mechanism that allows Congress to nullify regulatory decisions from federal agencies.

“People thought we weren’t going to succeed in the Senate. And we’re succeeding in the Senate. We’re going to make a run at this in the House and we think we have a real shot,” Sen. Brian Schatz (D-HI), who helped lead the effort and was engaged in long conversations with other lawmakers on the Senate floor during the vote, told The Daily Beast....
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