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Unread post by Vrede too » Sun May 12, 2019 4:17 pm

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OK, I give up. What's a four-letter word starting in P that's derogatory to what appears to be Indian, Pakistani, or something similar?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football ... -year-old/
Paki (slur)

"Paki" is a racial slur typically used towards people of Pakistani descent, and often indiscriminately directed towards people of perceived South Asian descent. The slur is used by mainly certain Europeans to refer to Pakistanis, Afghans, Indians, Bangladeshis, or anyone resembling Pakistani descent. Middle easterners have also been targeted more so after mass migration from certain countries. The slur is used chiefly in the United Kingdom and is also considered pejorative in Canada.

In the United Kingdom and Canada, the term "Paki" is commonly associated with "Paki-bashing", violent attacks against people of South Asian origin, chiefly Pakistanis.
I did not know that it's a slur, or at least not a serious one. I thought it was just shorthand.
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Unread post by O Really » Sun May 12, 2019 4:31 pm

Neutral-sounding words can certainly be used in a derogatory manner, but that does seem pretty mild. More like saying "there goes a bl**k guy than saying "there goes a N****r." From the doctor's reaction, I expected much worse.

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I had no idea there were so many words to insult people with...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs

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I had no idea there were so many words to insult people with...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs
Of course not, you're a __________. ;)
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And yet, they had no problem getting guns.

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Poll says that 56% of Americans don't want kids taught Arabic numerals. We have some bad news


https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/5 ... e-bad-news

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Poll says that 56% of Americans don't want kids taught Arabic numerals. We have some bad news


https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/5 ... e-bad-news
Hilarious. I can hardly wait until the signs on highways revert to "Asheville XXXII miles" and "Speed Limit LXV" Too bad there isn't a Roman numeral that's written XLAX. I will have to brush up since I can't remember if you put a line over or under a number to indicate multiplying it by ten, I mean X

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neoplacebo wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 9:07 pm
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Mon May 13, 2019 8:33 pm
Poll says that 56% of Americans don't want kids taught Arabic numerals. We have some bad news

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/5 ... e-bad-news
Hilarious. I can hardly wait until the signs on highways revert to "Asheville XXXII miles" and "Speed Limit LXV" Too bad there isn't a Roman numeral that's written XLAX
56-44, say, would have been bad enough, but it's much, much worse:

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No surprise with the Repugs, but the independents are depressing, as are the 34% + 26% of Dems:

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From SPLC Action Fund:
On April 9, 1865 Confederate General Robert E. Lee surrendered to Union General Ulysses S. Grant, ending the Civil War. But it wasn’t until June 19 that slaves in isolated areas of the U.S. were finally told the Civil War was over and that they had been freed.

June 19 – also known as Juneteenth – serves as a day to celebrate freedom in the African American community. It is also a reminder of the lies weaved throughout decades of propaganda idolizing the Confederacy, which fought to keep slavery intact by any means necessary.

Supersized Confederate statues with bogus inscriptions were the intimidation tactic of choice. Subsidized primarily by the United Daughters of the Confederacy and the Sons of Confederate Veterans, the Confederacy’s revisionist history is memorialized in multiple forms across the U.S.:

On 780 monuments, more than 300 of which are in Georgia, Virginia or North Carolina
On 103 public K-12 schools and three colleges named for Robert E. Lee, Jefferson Davis or other Confederate icons
In 80 counties and cities named for Confederates
On 9 observed holidays in five states celebrating the Confederacy, funded by taxpayer dollars
On 10 U.S. military bases

... Confederate enthusiasts won’t stop trying to convince us that these symbols of oppression represent “heritage not hate”.

And we will never stop protesting, fighting, and demanding that symbols celebrating the Confederacy be removed from our public spaces and placed into museums where they can be studied and understood in their proper historical context.

It’s way past time to put an end to every holiday, remove every symbol, and take down every monument that champions the Confederacy....
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Unread post by neoplacebo » Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:16 pm

I remember reading a story a few years ago about a school in Florida named for Nathan Bedford Forrest and that there was an effort underway to re name it. I think it was re named but am not sure of it. And, uhhh, Forrest was from TN. :oops:

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I remember reading a story a few years ago about a school in Florida named for Nathan Bedford Forrest and that there was an effort underway to re name it. I think it was re named but am not sure of it. And, uhhh, Forrest was from TN. :oops:
Yeah, that was Jacksonville. Re-named it Westside back several years ago. Sad thing (among others) is that it had long became a black-majority school while still named Forrest.

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O Really wrote:
Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:26 pm
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Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:16 pm
I remember reading a story a few years ago about a school in Florida named for Nathan Bedford Forrest and that there was an effort underway to re name it. I think it was re named but am not sure of it. And, uhhh, Forrest was from TN. :oops:
Yeah, that was Jacksonville. Re-named it Westside back several years ago. Sad thing (among others) is that it had long became a black-majority school while still named Forrest.
Thanks; I had recalled some of this story but it's been a while. Glad they got a new name. Hopefully, there will be no schools named for Trump; all the "graduates" would be fucking stupid. Perhaps that fact itself will serve to prevent such a tragedy.

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Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:26 pm
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Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:16 pm
I remember reading a story a few years ago about a school in Florida named for Nathan Bedford Forrest and that there was an effort underway to re name it. I think it was re named but am not sure of it. And, uhhh, Forrest was from TN. :oops:
Yeah, that was Jacksonville. Re-named it Westside back several years ago. Sad thing (among others) is that it had long became a black-majority school while still named Forrest.
Nathan Bedford Forrest

Nathan Bedford Forrest (July 13, 1821 – October 29, 1877) was a Confederate Army general during the American Civil War. Although scholars admire Forrest as a military strategist, he has remained a highly controversial figure in Southern racial history, especially for his alleged role in the massacre of black soldiers at Fort Pillow, his 1867–1869 leadership of the white-supremacist/terrorist Ku Klux Klan, and his political influence as a Tennessee delegate at the 1868 Democratic National Convention.

Before the war, Forrest amassed substantial wealth as a cotton plantation owner, horse and cattle trader, real estate broker, and slave trader....

In April 1864, in what has been called "one of the bleakest, saddest events of American military history.", troops under Forrest's command massacred Union troops who had surrendered, most of them black soldiers along with some white Southern Tennesseans fighting for the Union, at the Battle of Fort Pillow. Forrest was blamed for the massacre in the Union press and that news may have strengthened the North's resolve....
Historical reputation and legacy

Many memorials have been erected to Forrest, especially in Tennessee and adjacent Southern states. Forrest County, Mississippi is named after him, as is Forrest City, Arkansas....

As of 2007, Tennessee had 32 dedicated historical markers linked to Nathan Bedford Forrest, more than are dedicated to all three former Presidents associated with the state combined: Andrew Jackson, James K. Polk, and Andrew Johnson (none of whom were born in Tennessee). The Tennessee legislature established July 13 as "Nathan Bedford Forrest Day"....

High schools named for Forrest were built in Chapel Hill, Tennessee and Jacksonville, Florida. In 2008, the Duval County School Board voted 5–2 against a push to change the name of Nathan Bedford Forrest High School in Jacksonville. In 2013, the board voted 7–0 to begin the process to rename the school. The school was named for Forrest in 1959 at the urging of the Daughters of the Confederacy because they were upset about the 1954 Brown v. Board of Education decision. At the time the school was all white, but now more than half the student body is black. After several public forums and discussions, Westside High School was unanimously approved in January 2014 as the school's new name.

In August 2000, a road on Fort Bliss named for Forrest decades earlier was renamed for former post commander Richard T. Cassidy. In 2005, Shelby County Commissioner Walter Bailey started an effort to move the statue over Forrest's grave and rename Forrest Park. Former Memphis Mayor Willie Herenton, who is black, blocked the move. Others have tried to get a bust of Forrest removed from the Tennessee House of Representatives chamber. Leaders in other localities have also tried to remove or eliminate Forrest monuments, with mixed success.

In 1978, Middle Tennessee State University (Murfreesboro) abandoned imagery it had formerly used (in 1951, the school's yearbook, The Midlander, featured the first appearance of Forrest's likeness as MTSU's official mascot) and MTSU president M.G Scarlett removed the General's image from the university's official seal. The Blue Raiders' athletic mascot was changed to an ambiguous swash-buckler character called the "Blue Raider", to avoid association with Forrest or the Confederacy. The school unveiled its latest mascot, a winged horse called "Lightning" inspired by the mythological Pegasus, during halftime of a basketball game against rival Tennessee State University on January 17, 1998. The ROTC building at MTSU was named Forrest Hall to honor him in 1958. In 2006, the frieze depicting General Forrest on horseback that had adorned the side of this building was removed amid protests, but a major push to change its name failed on February 16, 2018, when the governor-controlled Tennessee Historical Commission denied Middle Tennessee State University's petition to rename Forrest Hall....
Forrest School (Chapel Hill, Tennessee)

What are your July 13 "Nathan Bedford Forrest Day" plans, neoplacebo?
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Well, at this point it's a tossup between vandalism to government property and watching WWE wrestling. Help me out here.

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Well, at this point it's a tossup between vandalism to government property and watching WWE wrestling. Help me out here. I just finished reading "The History of Tennessee; from it's earliest settlement to the present time" by W.H. Carpenter. It was published in 1854 by Lippincott, Grambo & Co, Philadelphia. The grammar is sometimes awkward to follow but it's quite fascinating in that it relates how the British, Spaniards, and "Americans" connived to enlist various Indian tribes to be allied against one or the other of the three. Lots of mention about local geographical features, as well as stuff about Knoxville, Nashville, and a lot of hoopla about Andrew Jackson; it's evident from the book that Jackson was quite the fucking hero back then in the eyes of the citizens. There's also an account of Aaron Burr who was apparently the original nutjob; after he killed Hamilton he took off heading to New Orleans with the intention of establishing a new country. Needless to say, he was thwarted in this.
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Well, at this point it's a tossup between vandalism to government property and watching WWE wrestling. Help me out here.
Vandalizing government property is an fitting way to memorialize terrorist traitor Nathan Bedford Forrest.


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O Really wrote:
Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:26 pm
neoplacebo wrote:
Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:16 pm
I remember reading a story a few years ago about a school in Florida named for Nathan Bedford Forrest and that there was an effort underway to re name it. I think it was re named but am not sure of it. And, uhhh, Forrest was from TN. :oops:
Yeah, that was Jacksonville. Re-named it Westside back several years ago. Sad thing (among others) is that it had long became a black-majority school while still named Forrest.
Schools named after Confederate general Robert E. Lee face crisis. What about Bruce Lee Elementary instead?

... Robert E. Lee High School in San Antonio, Texas, was one such school considering changing its controversial name, however North East Independent School District didn’t like the $1.3 million price-tag associated with doing so, the Wall Street Journal reports. To save money on new signage, sports uniforms, website changes and more, officials proposed shortening the name instead of changing it entirely.

After the story was published Monday, writer Tawnhell Hobbs turned the news item into a Socratic exercise, inviting suggestions on how the school’s name might be changed.

“Don’t want your school to be named for a Confederate general? Find someone else with the surname,” she tweeted. “Schools honor others with same surnames to avoid costs of repainting, new signs and uniform changes.”

Twitter jumped on Hobbs’s proposal, and many people had cheeky ideas that wouldn’t require as much fiscal outlay to change so much signage at the school. Suggestions included slight alterations to name the school for late actor Bruce Lee, Rush frontman Geddy Lee, Oscar-winning actor Tommy Lee Jones, filmmakers Ang Lee and Lee Daniels, comic books legend Stan Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird author Harper Lee and singer Brenda Lee....

There are over 200 schools named for Lee and other Confederate generals and figures throughout the South. Robert E. Lee in Texas is but one example and decided, despite great suggestions, to go with LEE High School, or the Legacy of Educational Excellence.

J.E.B. Stuart high school in Richmond, Virginia, the onetime capital of the Confederacy, changed its name last year to honor former president Barack Obama....
"Stan Lee" Marvels would be fun.
"Ang Lee" Crouching Tigers or Hidden Dragons are intimidating.
"Harper Lee" Mockingbirds, of course. Great slap at the bigots.
"Bruce Lee" Fists of Fury would be cool.
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