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Unread post by billy.pilgrim » Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:14 pm

Cat's just a pig who twists law to fit his racism.
In this case, the idiocy of open carry must have hurt his feelings.
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Unread post by O Really » Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:18 pm

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MO is an open carry state and Walmart doesn't ban guns. Sounds like some supposed cop is making up his own situational law rather than having the stones to admit that extant law needs to be changed. Must have "learned" the law from Chuck Norris movies, lol.
Even with open carry, there is something that is called in some state "going armed to the terror of the people" which is a convoluted way of saying "acting crazy or threatening with a gun." Problem with this guy is that he didn't actually DO anything, so the question arises were the people justified in being frightened. I think the answer in this case will be "yes." The guy may not have set out to scare, and apparently said he didn't expect it to be that big of a deal (despite his girl friend (probably ex) and his friends telling him it was a bad idea). But he dressed up like a shooter in Walmart right after a real shooter shot up Walmart. I don't think they'll let him off with an "opps" even in Missouri. And if he'd been Black, he'd be dead, even though most mass shooters aren't Black.

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Unread post by 1 CAT FAN » Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:43 pm

No one here willing to test that theory.
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Unread post by neoplacebo » Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:48 pm

O Really wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:18 pm
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Sat Aug 10, 2019 4:11 pm
MO is an open carry state and Walmart doesn't ban guns. Sounds like some supposed cop is making up his own situational law rather than having the stones to admit that extant law needs to be changed. Must have "learned" the law from Chuck Norris movies, lol.
Even with open carry, there is something that is called in some state "going armed to the terror of the people" which is a convoluted way of saying "acting crazy or threatening with a gun." Problem with this guy is that he didn't actually DO anything, so the question arises were the people justified in being frightened. I think the answer in this case will be "yes." The guy may not have set out to scare, and apparently said he didn't expect it to be that big of a deal (despite his girl friend (probably ex) and his friends telling him it was a bad idea). But he dressed up like a shooter in Walmart right after a real shooter shot up Walmart. I don't think they'll let him off with an "opps" even in Missouri. And if he'd been Black, he'd be dead, even though most mass shooters aren't Black.
I've seen that charge in the local newspaper pretty often; maybe once every two or three months; "going armed to the terror of the public" is how they frame it. And it does have a serious ring to it. I've not actually gone to court to see what the penalty for this offense is, but it's a misdemeanor so it could not be more than a year in jail. In any case, it's not something you'd want on your resume, along with the admonitions of numerous friends who all said "Man, I wouldn't do that shit if I was you."

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Unread post by neoplacebo » Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:53 pm

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No one here willing to test that theory.
Don't sell yourself short; you seem to be an intrepid fellow. Get done up in black face and go out and have some fun.

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Unread post by Vrede too » Sat Aug 10, 2019 8:11 pm

:?: :?: :?:
We aren't ammosexual assholes. Legal or not, why would any of us ever want to test the boundaries of the law that other ammosexual assholes have left intentionally loose?

O Really wrote:
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MO is an open carry state and Walmart doesn't ban guns. Sounds like some supposed cop with a nonexistent "open carry" card is making up his own situational law rather than having the stones to admit that extant law needs to be changed. Must have "learned" the law from Chuck Norris movies, lol.
Even with open carry, there is something that is called in some state "going armed to the terror of the people" which is a convoluted way of saying "acting crazy or threatening with a gun." Problem with this guy is that he didn't actually DO anything, so the question arises were the people justified in being frightened. I think the answer in this case will be "yes." The guy may not have set out to scare, and apparently said he didn't expect it to be that big of a deal (despite his girl friend (probably ex) and his friends telling him it was a bad idea). But he dressed up like a shooter in Walmart right after a real shooter shot up Walmart. I don't think they'll let him off with an "opps" even in Missouri. And if he'd been Black, he'd be dead, even though most mass shooters aren't Black.
There shouldn't even be a doubt, no conceivable argument that this is okay behavior.

"going armed to the terror of the people" sounds awful vague to me. It's like obstructing an officer, disobeying an officer, etc., what we call POPO - pissing off a police officer. It can definitely get you arrested for anything, contrived or not, convicted is less certain.
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As I thought, all talk and no action, Chickenshits.
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Unread post by Vrede too » Sat Aug 10, 2019 9:21 pm

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Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:48 pm
I've seen that charge in the local newspaper pretty often; maybe once every two or three months; "going armed to the terror of the public" is how they frame it. And it does have a serious ring to it. I've not actually gone to court to see what the penalty for this offense is, but it's a misdemeanor so it could not be more than a year in jail. In any case, it's not something you'd want on your resume, along with the admonitions of numerous friends who all said "Man, I wouldn't do that shit if I was you."
Idk, pretty good street cred for a misdemeanor rap. ;)
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As I thought, all talk and no action, Chickenshits.
Says the chickenshit who's so scared he carries a gun all the time. Hey, Rimbo, take your gun to church this morning; you never know who might decide to attend services today. You could be a hero or you could be a victim. Oh, wait, you're already a tremendous victim, so that leaves you half a chance to be a hero. I can see it now in the headlines: "Off duty cop shot by armed citizen while chasing rapist; a black off duty city policeman was shot and killed this evening while chasing a white man suspected of raping a ninety year old woman. The off duty officer was holding his gun while chasing the suspect when he was shot by the armed citizen. After other officers arrived on the scene, the citizen told the officers he just assumed the black guy was the criminal and he fired three shots at the officer, striking him twice. The officer died several hours later in the hospital. The citizen who shot the off duty officer was charged with second degree murder and being a dumbass in possession of a firearm."

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Unread post by neoplacebo » Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:13 am

In my neighborhood when we were kids, ten or twelve years old, we all had these cap pistols that took a circular array of caps that you installed in the gun. The array had about 8 little caps that were about 1/8" diameter and they made a nice loud sound when fired in the gun. I was thinking the other day that if a kid had one of those these days he'd run the risk of getting shot. How times have changed.

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Unread post by Vrede too » Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:16 am

Says the chickenshit who doesn't have the balls to admit her/his Chuck Norris, Arizona quotation and nonexistent "open carry" card screw ups, the same sniveling cowardice you've shown many times before. Project much?

Anyhow, that's stupid and desperate to call us "Chickenshits" for refusing to be ammosexual assholes scaring the public like the reichwinger we're discussing. What are you, 12? This also highlights the question of mine about this that you are too chickenshit to answer - Why should we?
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Unread post by Vrede too » Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:20 am

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In my neighborhood when we were kids, ten or twelve years old, we all had these cap pistols that took a circular array of caps that you installed in the gun. The array had about 8 little caps that were about 1/8" diameter and they made a nice loud sound when fired in the gun. I was thinking the other day that if a kid had one of those these days he'd run the risk of getting shot. How times have changed.
Only if Black.

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Thought the subject was Wal Mart, person with a gun.
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Unread post by billy.pilgrim » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:16 am

I thought the discussion was about the easily foreseen consequences of idiotic open carry laws.
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I thought the discussion was about the easily foreseen consequences of idiotic open carry laws.
While praising the firefighter who might really be a kidnapper, that's the aspect of this that 1 FAT CAN is too chickenshit to discuss, including her/his cheerleading for those idiotic open carry laws. Hence, her/his moronic and immature dare and the whining about it over and over.
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Unread post by Vrede too » Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:05 pm

Florida white supremacist arrested for threatening shooting at Walmart, police say

... "3 more days of probation left then I get my AR-15 back. Don’t go to Walmart next week." ...

He was not on probation, despite his threat, Florida officials told The Associated Press....
Damn, I was hoping it could be revoked.

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Vrede too wrote:
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billy.pilgrim wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:16 am
I thought the discussion was about the easily foreseen consequences of idiotic open carry laws.
While praising the firefighter who might really be a kidnapper, that's the aspect of this that 1 FAT CAN is too chickenshit to discuss, including her/his cheerleading for those idiotic open carry laws. Hence, her/his moronic and immature dare and the whining about it over and over.
"firefighter as a kidnapper" is a fun idea, but there are conundrums. If he's considered a kidnapper, then we're saying that he had no reasonable cause to threaten the crazy guy, thus adding to the crazy guy's defence. If we say the firefighter is a hero, then we're saying being afraid of the crazy guy was justified, and thus the crazy guy has a better chance of getting convicted of something. In any case, they crazy guy is lucky to have been white or he'd have been dead fershure.

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O Really wrote:
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"firefighter as a kidnapper" is a fun idea, but there are conundrums. If he's considered a kidnapper, then we're saying that he had no reasonable cause to threaten the crazy guy, thus adding to the crazy guy's defence. If we say the firefighter is a hero, then we're saying being afraid of the crazy guy was justified, and thus the crazy guy has a better chance of getting convicted of something. In any case, they crazy guy is lucky to have been white or he'd have been dead fershure.
It's hyperbole on my part.
The cammosexual may have communicated a threat and detaining him was warranted.
If not, the cammosexual may still be convicted of "going armed to the terror of the people," or something similarly vague, thus validating the firefighter.
Whether or not the cammosexual is ever convicted, the firefighter is probably protected from criminal and civil penalties since the cops did arrest the cammosexual. How is is a firefighter supposed to know more than them? This brings us back to how inadequate our gun laws are.

Also, this would be an entirely different discussion here and nationally if the cammosexual had been slightly less outrageous and the firefighter was a Black nonfirefighter CCW holder.
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Also, this would be an entirely different discussion here and nationally if the cammosexual had been slightly less outrageous and the firefighter was a Black nonfirefighter CCW holder.
Indeed.
BTW, back when Black Panthers carried guns, "the NRA favored gun control.

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Unread post by O Really » Sun Aug 11, 2019 1:17 pm

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It's hyperbole on my part.
Maybe not so much -
False Imprisonment Overview
False imprisonment occurs when someone confines or detains another person against their will and without any legal justification. The act does not need to be done forcibly or through intimidation. An example might be if you locked someone in a bedroom while he was asleep and refused to open the door after he awakened. State laws vary on whether this crime is punished as a misdemeanor, which can typically lead to a sentence of up to a year in jail, or as as felony, which can result in over a year in prison. If the victim was young or the perpetrator made threats or used physical force, many states provide for harsher penalties.

Kidnapping Overview
In contrast to false imprisonment, kidnapping involves the intentional act of taking away or moving a person against her will by use of force or threats of force. It is this moving of a person that separates the two crimes, and the distance does not need to be far. For example, if you grab someone walking by your house and pull her inside, this act could qualify as kidnapping. Kidnapping is a more serious crime than false imprisonment, and is generally punished as a felony. Like false imprisonment, the penalties can increase with aggravating circumstances, such as if the kidnapper was seeking a ransom or took a child.

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