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Re: 2020 Elections

Unread post by O Really » Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:04 am

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I think a large majority of people, blue and red, are sick and tired of all the drama, chaos, corruption, and incompetence. Hard-core Trumpers are going to stick with him no matter what, but an unoffensive middleish candidate who offers an apparent opportunity to resume what was once normal would have a good chance of getting almost all the non hard-core votes. Let Trump keep the Alabamas and anywhere else he won except for Florida and Wisconsin and spend at least the first year cleaning up Trump's mess, get a more positive national opinion of Dems and then nominate a more progressive next time.
Might indeed be smartest, but part of me wonders if the only way to get a progressive is reactive. Without Cheney/Shrub, no progressive-appearing (turned out pretty moderate) Black man.
Certainly not being Bush/Republican would have helped any Dem. But Shrub had two terms and didn't have the hard-core forever people Trump does. There's not enough hard-core Trumpers to re-elect him by themselves - there's not enough real progressives to elect a Bernie! by themselves. Whoever is elected needs to recognize a need to work for everybody and not just his/her own ideological kindred. A progressive who could avoid alienating the center-right would be nice, but I don't see any of those in the current line-up.

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Re: 2020 Elections

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From the black guy who won two terms...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-says ... remake-it/

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Re: 2020 Elections

Unread post by Vrede too » Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:48 pm

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From the black guy who won two terms...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-says ... remake-it/
From the black guy who paved the way for 45SHOLE.
FTFY. :P
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Re: 2020 Elections

Unread post by O Really » Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:53 pm

Vrede too wrote:
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Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:27 pm
From the black guy who won two terms...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-says ... remake-it/
From the black guy who paved the way for 45SHOLE.
FTFY. :P
Maybe, but I think a better argument can be made that even if he paved the way, it was HIllary who greased the skids.

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Unread post by Vrede too » Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:54 pm

:thumbup:
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Unread post by O Really » Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:47 pm

My relationship with Hillary is one of the reasons I have a hard time understanding Trump supporters. I was Team-Hillary from back when Bill ran the first time. My "mental" vote for Bill was really a vote for Hillary. I voted for her for real when I could, and I voted for her in 2016. But I see now that (a) there was a lot more Hillary-hate around than I knew, even among Dems and Semi-Dems, and (b) she really made some serious campaign mistakes, particularly taking the Rust Belt for granted. Result: I don't want her anywhere around the 2020 campaign and I think she should go away and play with the grandkids or do something off the national political stage. As much as I have supported her, it's time to move on. That's what the Trumpers should do.

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Unread post by Vrede too » Sat Nov 16, 2019 10:23 pm

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My relationship with Hillary is one of the reasons I have a hard time understanding Trump supporters. I was Team-Hillary from back when Bill ran the first time. My "mental" vote for Bill was really a vote for Hillary. I voted for her for real when I could, and I voted for her in 2016. But I see now that (a) there was a lot more Hillary-hate around than I knew, even among Dems and Semi-Dems, and (b) she really made some serious campaign mistakes, particularly taking the Rust Belt for granted. Result: I don't want her anywhere around the 2020 campaign and I think she should go away and play with the grandkids or do something off the national political stage. As much as I have supported her, it's time to move on. That's what the Trumpers should do.
I hope that she's just teasing the deplorables and occupying some of them with attacking her, again, rather than the real candidates.

Wow, there's a new mod-lib in town:

Iowa Poll: Pete Buttigieg rockets to the top of the 2020 field as a clear front-runner

Does Obama approve?
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Re: 2020 Elections

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Dem John Bel Edwards keeps his governor seat, despite :clap: Trump's visit and rally. :clap: :clap:

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Unread post by Vrede too » Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:19 pm

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Dem John Bel Edwards keeps his governor seat, despite :clap: Trump's visit and rally. :clap: :clap:
"despite"? Because of.
http://www.blueridgedebate.com/forum/vi ... 48#p105248
45SHOLE is on a roll.
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Unread post by O Really » Sun Nov 17, 2019 12:13 am

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Dem John Bel Edwards keeps his governor seat, despite :clap: Trump's visit and rally. :clap: :clap:
"despite"? Because of.
http://www.blueridgedebate.com/forum/vi ... 48#p105248
45SHOLE is on a roll.
I thought of "because of" but I doubt that's the case in bright red Louisiana. I think they had a guv they liked (over 50% approval and +18 rating) and didn't buy into Trump's obvious "far left" lies nor saw any advantage to voting for Governor to "support Trump." Trump always tries to make everything about himself, and more and more frequently it's not working.

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Re: 2020 Elections

Unread post by Ulysses » Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:13 am

Vrede too wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 10:23 pm
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Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:47 pm
My relationship with Hillary is one of the reasons I have a hard time understanding Trump supporters. I was Team-Hillary from back when Bill ran the first time. My "mental" vote for Bill was really a vote for Hillary. I voted for her for real when I could, and I voted for her in 2016. But I see now that (a) there was a lot more Hillary-hate around than I knew, even among Dems and Semi-Dems, and (b) she really made some serious campaign mistakes, particularly taking the Rust Belt for granted. Result: I don't want her anywhere around the 2020 campaign and I think she should go away and play with the grandkids or do something off the national political stage. As much as I have supported her, it's time to move on. That's what the Trumpers should do.
I hope that she's just teasing the deplorables and occupying some of them with attacking her, again, rather than the real candidates.

Wow, there's a new mod-lib in town:

Iowa Poll: Pete Buttigieg rockets to the top of the 2020 field as a clear front-runner

Does Obama approve?
I don't know, but there might some parallels with Obama.

Like Obama, Buttigieg is a member of a minority that has been much despised and discriminated against. Like Obama he's very intelligent and even inspirational. Unlike Obama, Mayor Pete has solid military credentials. Like Obama, Pete is more centrist than most of the Dem front-runners.

It's quite possible it's the right combination not only to win the nomination, but also the general. The combination of a once-despised minority with the affirmation of our democracy for pushing all that aside and voting for the man, not the superficial. He is centrist enough to appeal to middle America (hello, Iowa) but different enough to appeal to the far left. If Pete does win the presidency, it would be great fun to see all the racist/sexist/reactionary heads implode.

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Re: 2020 Elections

Unread post by Vrede too » Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:10 am

Idk what the "best" Dem strategy is. There's no candidate without some obvious electoral warts. I'm going to support who I think will make the best POTUS - probably Warren, possibly Mayor Pete - and will let our collective others use their Ouija Boards to determine the best nominee.

That said, I liked 2016 "Fuck-off Repugs" Obama and am a little sad to see the return of 2009-15 Obama.
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Re: 2020 Elections

Unread post by O Really » Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:03 pm

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Idk what the "best" Dem strategy is. There's no candidate without some obvious electoral warts. I'm going to support who I think will make the best POTUS - probably Warren, possibly Mayor Pete - and will let our collective others use their Ouija Boards to determine the best nominee.

That said, I liked 2016 "Fuck-off Repugs" Obama and am a little sad to see the return of 2009-15 Obama.
I enjoy a "fuck-off Repugs" attitude for fun, but it probably does more harm than good overall. I enjoyed "basket of deplorables" too, but it probably cost more in driving haters to the polls than any value it got in entertaining those who were already voting for her.

Pete's gayness may be no more than JFK's Catholicism - something to hit him over the head with, but ultimately not disqualifying - or it could be the difference that gets him thumped. Other than as electoral baggage, I've got no problem with Pete's being gay. I've got more of a problem with his lack of big-time experience. He's probably the smartest and best educated candidate, and he has the navy service on his resume, but mayor of South Bend as his only political experience? South Bend with a little over 100K population (excluding the suburbs that aren't part of his mayoral jurisdiction). Better than Wasilla, but still. If he'd been mayor of Chicago or maybe even Indianapolis, I'd feel a lot better. Or if he'd had some federal experience. Same argument I guess applied to the original Clinton - Governor of Arkansas - Arkansas, seriously? But at least Arkansas is allegedly a state. And to some degree Obama, as a first-term Senator. But why aren't we tired of lightly qualified candidates? If we weren't before Trump, we should be now.

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Unread post by Vrede too » Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:12 pm

A lot of folks are saying no way Black Dems vote for a gay, but some are reacting with, "Fuck you, don't pigeonhole us."

Only 100K? I didn't know. That is pretty small. He probably knows the names of the spouses and kids of most city employees.

Yeah, it's a case that will be made if he stays strong. In contrast, one can argue that managing a small city for a few years is more relevant to the job of POTUS than decades of being a federal legislator, or failing at so many businesses after being born with a silver spoon. Ultimately, a successful POTUS may be more about who is likely to be hired into an admin.
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Unread post by O Really » Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:37 pm

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In contrast, one can argue that managing a small city for a few years is more relevant to the job of POTUS than decades of being a federal legislator, ...

Depends on what was done during the years as a federal legislator. Significant accomplishments in a position of leadership ought to count. In my fantasy election, would I take P-Lo or Pete?

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Unread post by Vrede too » Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:50 pm

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Depends on what was done during the years as a federal legislator. Significant accomplishments in a position of leadership ought to count. In my fantasy election, would I take P-Lo or Pete?
She's a unique case. Speaker requires more mgmt skills than Liz or Bernie! got in the Senate, though Bernie! was a small city mayor, himself.
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Unread post by O Really » Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:52 pm

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A lot of folks are saying no way Black Dems vote for a gay, but some are reacting with, "Fuck you, don't pigeonhole us."
And some really aren't much Pete fans...
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/black-so ... 06208.html

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Unread post by Vrede too » Sun Nov 17, 2019 11:31 pm

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And some really aren't much Pete fans...
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/black-so ... 06208.html
Sounds like a misunderstanding but if Buttigieg or his people took advantage, shame on him/them. Sincere contrition is in order, regardless.

Some Dems, and not just progressives, aren't happy with Obama, either with what he said or the fact that he's saying it.

Too Far Left? Some Candidates Don't Buy the Argument

Leaving aside content, I think Obama serves himself, the party and country better by speaking out on everything but internal party differences. I would feel this way - almost as much ;) - if he'd come out in support of the progressives. Others are making the same case, and always have among Dems, and he shouldn't divide his fan base.
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Unread post by Vrede too » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:57 am

Joe Biden says he would not legalise cannabis over fears it could be gateway drug

This is a problem with having an ancient moderate candidate. The "gateway drug" theory was debunked decades ago. Otoh, pot laws are a gateway to distrust of and disrespect for police, pols and other authorities.
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Re: 2020 Elections

Unread post by Vrede too » Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:07 pm

Will "revenge porn" be further validated or not?

George Papadopoulos, Former Trump Aide And Felon, Runs For Rep. Katie Hill's Seat

:roll:

California's 25th congressional district is northern LA suburbs and southwestern SJ Valley. It’s been red, but has recently turned purple:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Californi ... _elections
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Californi ... %93present
2020 California's 25th congressional district special election

The jungle primary will happen on March 3, 2020. If a candidate receives more than 50% of the primary vote, they are automatically elected and the runoff election is cancelled, otherwise the top two vote getters in the primary advance to a runoff election on May 12, 2020. The winner of the special election will finish the remaining balance of Hill's term in the 116th Congress. A separate jungle primary and general election on March 3, 2020 and on November 3, 2020 respectively will determine the representative for the 117th Congress.

Candidates

California uses a jungle primary system in which all candidates run in a single primary regardless of political party. In regular congressional elections, the top two vote getters in the primary advance to a runoff election regardless of party affiliation or vote tally. However, in the special election for the balance of Hill's term, if a candidate receives more than 50% of the primary vote, they are automatically elected and the runoff election is cancelled.

Democratic Party
Declared


David Rudnick, businessman and U.S. Marine Corps veteran
Christy Smith, state assemblywoman
Cenk Uygur, co-founder, CEO, and host of The Young Turks; co-founder of Justice Democrats and founder of Wolf PAC

Republican Party
Declared


Mike Garcia, U.S. Navy veteran and businessman
Steve Knight, former U.S. Representative
George Papadopoulos, former foreign policy advisor for President Trump's 2016 campaign

I assume that the same candidates will stand in the March 3, 2020 primaries for both the special and regular elections, but the website doesn’t directly say that.

Predictions

The Cook Political Report Lean D October 28, 2019
Inside Elections Likely D October 28, 2019
Sabato's Crystal Ball Lean D October 31, 2019
I like The Young Turks and Papadopoulos is an asshole, don't know a thing about the other candidates.

March 3/May 12 could be an important indicator of Nov 2020 nationally, not to mention #Me too, or the situation is unique enough that it isn't. We'll see.
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