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Re: 2020 Elections

Unread post by O Really » Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:45 pm

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. Anyone think he could win the nomination?
No.
(Says the same guy who said repeatedly that Trump had no chance.)

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Re: 2020 Elections

Unread post by billy.pilgrim » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:01 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... n-campaign


Up from 518 presidential votes in 2012, the party against all things bad received 5,617 votes in 2016. For unknown reasons they are expecting 25,000+ in 2020.
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Re: 2020 Elections

Unread post by Vrede too » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:06 pm

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... n-campaign

Up from 518 presidential votes in 2012, the party against all things bad received 5,617 votes in 2016. For unknown reasons they are expecting 25,000+ in 2020.
I'll drink to their success.
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Re: 2020 Elections

Unread post by Vrede too » Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:07 pm

Only 14 hours until the 2020 elections season starts. I'm so excited I could spit.
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Re: 2020 Elections

Unread post by Vrede too » Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:22 am

Want to beat Trump in 2020? Look at Sherrod Brown's latest big win in Ohio

Glowing article. Idk a lot about him, but I've had a good impression. I went to Wiki looking for knocks on him, found this:
Controversial remarks

In March 2011, Brown came under scrutiny for a Senate floor speech in which he cited the names of Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin while he criticized Republican efforts in Ohio and Wisconsin to mitigate the power of public employee unions to negotiate with taxpayers. In his speech he said "some of the worst governments that we've ever had, do you know one of the first things they did? They went after unions. Hitler didn't want unions, Stalin didn't want unions, Mubarak didn't want independent unions". In his speech, Brown said "I'm not comparing what's happened to the workers in Madison or in Columbus to Hitler and Stalin." He later apologized for his speech.
My only problem with that is the apology.
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Re: 2020 Elections

Unread post by O Really » Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:37 am

People keep wanting to believe that because someone is an American, then they must by definition be less evil than a Stalin or Hitler. They aren't. It is true that American politicians don't (as far as we know) have people killed en masse, but that's more to the credit of the system than to the individual.

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Unread post by Vrede too » Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:23 am

Ex-Clinton aide: Hillary will run again in 2020

I think I remember rstrong saying in 2014 or 15 that Hillary was a fake candidate meant to draw heat from the other Dems. Is that what's going on this time? I hope she isn't really thinking of running, even for her own sake.
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Ex-Clinton aide: Hillary will run again in 2020

I think I remember rstrong saying in 2014 or 15 that Hillary was a fake candidate meant to draw heat from the other Dems. Is that what's going on this time? I hope she isn't really thinking of running, even for her own sake.
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Re: 2020 Elections

Unread post by Vrede too » Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:21 am

Another thing that aintgonnahappen:

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Wants to Replace Columbus Day With Holiday for Election Day

But it's a really good idea.
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Re: 2020 Elections

Unread post by Vrede too » Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:38 am

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Re: 2020 Elections

Unread post by Vrede too » Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:14 pm

‘If no one else is going to do it, I am going to do it’: Billionaire Tom Steyer on a possible presidential run

His politics MIGHT be okay, but we've seen that a fat cat with zero political experience does a crappy job. No thanks.
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Unread post by O Really » Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:32 pm

A smart rich person with no political experience could do a good job if s/he really did surround him/herself with top advisors, appointed cabinet heads who actually knew something about what they're responsible for, and focused on being the "decider" and building coalitions in Congress. But it's not going to really happen because most of those guys have too much personal ego for that and - like Trump but probably not as bad - want to run everything themselves. Getting things done in politics is way different from getting things done in a corporation but it's a trainable skill. The guy who sees himself as "self-made" or "runs his own show" or whatever isn't usually trainable.

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Unread post by Vrede too » Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:40 pm

A lot of that comes naturally to a person that has survived politics long enough to become a POTUS candidate. The WH is not for on the job training.
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Re: 2020 Elections

Unread post by O Really » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:18 pm

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A lot of that comes naturally to a person that has survived politics long enough to become a POTUS candidate. The WH is not for on the job training.
Agreed, as I've said often. But of course surviving politics in qualifying positions doesn't always turn out so well, either if the guy's a crook.

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Re: 2020 Elections

Unread post by Vrede too » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:31 pm

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Agreed, as I've said often. But of course surviving politics in qualifying positions doesn't always turn out so well, either if the guy's a crook.
Agreed, the skills you listed are necessary, but not sufficient, and ethical behavior is a red line for me.
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Re: 2020 Elections

Unread post by O Really » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:01 am

Unfortunately, Trump has set the bar so low there that anybody without more than two convictions for molestation will look good. Well, OK, maybe only one child rape conviction could get you tossed. But I think the lines on corruption have been blurred significantly and will take a long time - if ever - to return to what we might consider an acceptable standard. They're making a film about Gary Hart - brought down by a "scandal" that today probably wouldn't even cost him more than a few thousand votes, and that was likely a set-up. We've got members of Congress under indictment still winning. We've got the Roy Moores staying in the race and almost winning. We've got acknowledged and concerted efforts to suppress voting. People keep comparing Trump's shenanigans to Watergate. As if. Nixon's dirty tricksters couldn't even get a job with Trump, and current standards aren't going to go away quickly.

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Re: 2020 Elections

Unread post by neoplacebo » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:31 pm

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Vrede too wrote:
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O Really wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:18 pm
Agreed, as I've said often. But of course surviving politics in qualifying positions doesn't always turn out so well, either if the guy's a crook.
Agreed, the skills you listed are necessary, but not sufficient, and ethical behavior is a red line for me.
Well, if ethical behavior is a red line for you, that must mean that unethical behavior is what you're more comfortable with. I myself happened to stumble across a significant pile of "dark money" recently but the goddamn stuff was so dark you couldn't even read the denominations so I just left it there.

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Re: 2020 Elections

Unread post by Vrede too » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:54 pm

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Well, if ethical behavior is a red line for you, that must mean that unethical behavior is what you're more comfortable with....
It is unethical of you to misconstrue my intent that way. You have lost my vote. :P
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Re: 2020 Elections

Unread post by neoplacebo » Sat Dec 01, 2018 7:17 am

Vrede too wrote:
Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:54 pm
neoplacebo wrote:
Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:31 pm
Well, if ethical behavior is a red line for you, that must mean that unethical behavior is what you're more comfortable with....
It is unethical of you to misconstrue my intent that way. You have lost my vote. :P
Don't be so superstitious....I am famous for misconstruing things as well as stomping to a savage beat just this side of the ethical behavior line. :thumbup:

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Re: 2020 Elections

Unread post by billy.pilgrim » Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:45 pm

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... spartanntp


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