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Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:57 pm
... continues his (DeSantis) time in the spotlight of ridicule.
Even worse:

TV news says that FL is the worst or among the worst for processing UE claims, only 8% so far. Someone in the DeSantis (R) admin, I missed who, blamed the Rick Scott (R) admin for a "system designed to fail."
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O Really wrote:
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... continues his (DeSantis) time in the spotlight of ridicule.
Someone in the DeSantis (R) admin, I missed who, blamed the Rick Scott (R) admin for a "system designed to fail."
That's true, actually. Not that DeSantis wouldn't have done it if he'd had the chance, but Sleazy Scott beat him to it. The idea was to make the system work slowly, cut down eligibility and benefits, and make it more difficult to file claims. Not good, but it sorta worked with a 2% unemployment rate. Now, not so much.

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That's true, actually. Not that DeSantis wouldn't have done it if he'd had the chance, but Sleazy Scott beat him to it. The idea was to make the system work slowly, cut down eligibility and benefits, and make it more difficult to file claims. Not good, but it sorta worked with a 2% unemployment rate. Now, not so much.
I didn't doubt it. Still, it's crazy for a Repug Gov's admin* to trash a Repug Senator. Florida, you stay "special".
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O Really wrote:
Fri Apr 24, 2020 8:30 pm
That's true, actually. Not that DeSantis wouldn't have done it if he'd had the chance, but Sleazy Scott beat him to it. The idea was to make the system work slowly, cut down eligibility and benefits, and make it more difficult to file claims. Not good, but it sorta worked with a 2% unemployment rate. Now, not so much.
I didn't doubt it. Still, it's crazy for a Repug Gov's admin* to trash a Repug Senator. Florida, you stay "special".
Yes, but he didn't have much choice. Unemployment claims are a train wreck and DeSantis had to either (a) take responsibility for it; or (b) throw Scott under the bus. No real surprise which he would do.

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Vrede too wrote:
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O Really wrote:
Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:57 pm
... continues his (DeSantis) time in the spotlight of ridicule.
Even worse:

TV news says that FL is the worst or among the worst for processing UE claims, only 8% so far. Someone in the DeSantis (R) admin, I missed who, blamed the Rick Scott (R) admin for a "system designed to fail."

Can't blame fraudster scott for this one, it's been almost impossible to get unemployment benefits in Florida since Jeb. Scott tried to add drug testing to make it even worse but he failed.

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billy.pilgrim wrote:
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Can't blame fraudster scott for this one, it's been almost impossible to get unemployment benefits in Florida since Jeb. Scott tried to add drug testing to make it even worse but he failed.
Idk, Rick Scott was Gov for 8 years. Seems to me that he can be blamed for anything bad that he didn't fix, even if its origins go back to Jeb then Charlie Crist. Anyhow, y'all have elected crappy Govs for at least 21.5 years.
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Trump's name will stay above Biden's on Florida's 2020 ballot, appeals court rules

I can't argue with the court ruling based on a technicality, but how fucked up is a "1951 law, which says a candidate's position on the ballot is determined by the party of the governor in office"?

It should be random for every race every year. That said, idk how NC decides, but I haven't heard of anyone complaining.
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Trump's name will stay above Biden's on Florida's 2020 ballot, appeals court rules

I can't argue with the court ruling based on a technicality, but how fucked up is a "1951 law, which says a candidate's position on the ballot is determined by the party of the governor in office"?

It should be random for every race every year. That said, idk how NC decides, but I haven't heard of anyone complaining.


I have problems with the technicality that claims no one anywhere ever has standing to bring suit.

Were all 3 judges trump appointments - i haven't seen which ones were involved - at least 6 are trumpers

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Standing is the ability of a party to bring a lawsuit in court based upon their stake in the outcome. A party seeking to demonstrate standing must be able to show the court sufficient connection to and harm from the law or action challenged. Otherwise, the court will rule that you "lack standing" to bring the suit and dismiss your case.

There are three constitutional requirements to prove standing:

Injury: The plaintiff must have suffered or imminently will suffer injury. The injury must not be abstract and must be within the zone of interests meant to be regulated or protected under the statutory or constitutional guarantee in question.
Causation: The injury must be reasonably connected to the defendant’s conduct.
Redressability: A favorable court decision must be likely to redress the injury.

There are other requirements imposed by case law:

A party may only assert his or her own rights and cannot raise the claims of a third party who is not before the court.
A plaintiff cannot sue as a taxpayer who shares a grievance in common with all other taxpayers.

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The article links to the ruling:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... uling.html

William H. Pryor Jr, who wrote the majority opinion, is a Republican and was appointed by George W. Bush.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_H._Pryor_Jr.
He was the 45th Attorney General of Alabama.

Robert J. Luck was appointed by Donald Trump.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_J._Luck
He was a Judge of the Florida Third District Court of Appeal, appointed by Rick Scott and a Justice of the Supreme Court of Florida, appointed by Ron DeSantis.

Jill A. Pryor was appointed by Barack Obama and concurred in part and dissented in part beginning on page 65.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jill_A._Pryor
I don’t know if the Pryors are related, but she was in Georgia before joining the Eleventh Circuit, not his Alabama.
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Standing is the ability of a party to bring a lawsuit in court based upon their stake in the outcome. A party seeking to demonstrate standing must be able to show the court sufficient connection to and harm from the law or action challenged. Otherwise, the court will rule that you "lack standing" to bring the suit and dismiss your case.

There are three constitutional requirements to prove standing:

Injury: The plaintiff must have suffered or imminently will suffer injury. The injury must not be abstract and must be within the zone of interests meant to be regulated or protected under the statutory or constitutional guarantee in question.
Causation: The injury must be reasonably connected to the defendant’s conduct.
Redressability: A favorable court decision must be likely to redress the injury.

There are other requirements imposed by case law:

A party may only assert his or her own rights and cannot raise the claims of a third party who is not before the court.
A plaintiff cannot sue as a taxpayer who shares a grievance in common with all other taxpayers.

So, are there no means that this suit could have been brought?

And wouldn't:
The Democratic National Committee, Democratic Governors Association, Democratic Legislative Campaign Committee and the liberal group Priorities USA brought the suit against Florida Secretary of State Ken Detzner.
And the three Democratic activists who joined the lawsuit as plaintiffs,

have known how to craft a suit so it wouldn't be thrown out on a technicality

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Fri May 01, 2020 11:27 am
The article links to the ruling:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... uling.html

William H. Pryor Jr, who wrote the majority opinion, is a Republican and was appointed by George W. Bush.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_H._Pryor_Jr.
He was the 45th Attorney General of Alabama.

Robert J. Luck was appointed by Donald Trump.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_J._Luck
He was a Judge of the Florida Third District Court of Appeal, appointed by Rick Scott and a Justice of the Supreme Court of Florida, appointed by Ron DeSantis.

Jill A. Pryor was appointed by Barack Obama and concurred in part and dissented in part beginning on page 65.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jill_A._Pryor
I don’t know if the Pryors are related, but she was in Georgia before joining the Eleventh Circuit, not his Alabama.

Looks fair, although obama's appointments were subject to mitch approval - so, maybe

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billy.pilgrim wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 11:54 am
Looks fair, although obama's appointments were subject to mitch approval - so, maybe
Reid was still Senate Majority Leader, but the 2 GA Sens obstructed for 2 years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jill_A._P ... al_service

If I was in FL I would want the law changed, but I would have to read her dissent to opine on the ruling and I don't have the patience for that. Maybe voting Dem will get the law changed . . . or maybe they'll decide they like it, after all :D . They did have however many Dem Gov years there were between 1951 and 1999 and apparently did nothing.
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If the Dems get off their asses and stop letting Repugs get into the governor's office, it won't be a problem.

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O Really wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 12:28 pm
If the Dems get off their asses and stop letting Repugs get into the governor's office, it won't be a problem.
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So, are there no means that this suit could have been brought?

And wouldn't:
The Democratic National Committee, Democratic Governors Association, Democratic Legislative Campaign Committee and the liberal group Priorities USA brought the suit against Florida Secretary of State Ken Detzner.
And the three Democratic activists who joined the lawsuit as plaintiffs,

have known how to craft a suit so it wouldn't be thrown out on a technicality
One would think that all those people would know (or learn) what to do. But IMNVHO, it would be a stretch. You'd pretty much have to have an actual candidate bring the suit, and that would need to be a candidate who lost and who somehow could show that his loss was due to his placement on the ballot, and that the ballot placement was itself some violation of rights or law or something. Gillium might have been one to use, as he was undoubtedly not at the top, and he lost by a tiny margin. But he'd still have to show some wrongdoing in the ballot ordering process. And in defence, it probably wouldn't be too hard to find numerous elections in which the top listed candidate did not win.

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The Costly Toll of Not Shutting Down Spring Break Earlier

... Gov. Ron DeSantis, a Republican, has blamed travelers from New York, Europe and other places for seeding the virus in the state. But the reverse was also true: People got sick in Florida and took the infection back home....
DeSantis should be locked up for mass murder. If Florida won't do it, other states should charge and extradite him.


Maybe you were saying more than the people of Florida said ...

Could be that you leveled a pretty serious charge against him for not closing all parties in Florida by March 3rd.

I wonder how many states had shut down by then.

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Yet Georgia and South Carolina beaches remain open.

Shame on them, especially if people are gathering in large numbers.

And what about the responsibilities of the event organizers and the participants themselves?

Agreed, but the article also discusses how they were getting mixed messages from "leaders" like DeSantis.
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I thought that it was pretty obvious hyperbole, and that you would appreciate it since you were also condemning Florida's inadequate actions during Spring Break. Sorry.
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Vrede too wrote:
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Vrede too wrote:
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Yet Georgia and South Carolina beaches remain open.

Shame on them, especially if people are gathering in large numbers.

and North Carolina

And what about the responsibilities of the event organizers and the participants themselves?

Agreed, but the article also discusses how they were getting mixed messages from "leaders" like DeSantis.
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I thought that it was pretty obvious hyperbole, and that you would appreciate it since you were also condemning Florida's inadequate actions during Spring Break. Sorry.
so what states were shut down by March 3rd - the date you called for DeSantis is be arrested for manslaughter?

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I reject your weeks-old whining, tarbaby.
Vrede too wrote:
Tue May 05, 2020 3:59 pm
Vrede too wrote:
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I thought that it was pretty obvious hyperbole, and that you would appreciate it since you were also condemning Florida's inadequate actions during Spring Break. Sorry.
You'll have to be a perpetual victim on your own.
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