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Re: President* Trump

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The article. President doofus.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/ ... on-1264073
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Unread post by neoplacebo » Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:30 pm

Over the past week, I've noticed that a lot of the photos of trump that are straight frontal show his throat under his chin looking remarkably like a vagina, with no hair of course. I just think this is fucked up and will have to come up with a name for this grotesque condition. The only thing I have so far is "pussy neck" but this seems too lenient. I just don't know.

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Re: President* Trump

Unread post by Leo Lyons » Sun Apr 14, 2019 1:56 pm

neoplacebo wrote:The US military also has a long and illustrious history of taking the lord's name in vain.

Question: How can President Trump claim to represent all U.S citizens, regardless of sexual orientation,
when he banned transgenders from joining the military? Isn't that discrimination?

Trey Gowdy's Response:
"Nobody has a right to serve in the Military. Nobody! What makes you people think the Military is an equal opportunity employer?
It is very far from it - and for good reasons - let me cite a few.

The Military uses prejudice regularly and consistently to deny citizens from joining for being too old or too young, too fat or too skinny,
too tall or too short. Citizens are denied for having flat feet, or for missing or additional fingers."

He went on to explain: "By the way, poor eyesight will disqualify you, as well as bad teeth. Malnourished? Drug addiction? Bad back? Criminal history? Low IQ? Anxiety? Phobias? Hearing damage? Six arms? Hear voices in your head? Self-identification as a Unicorn? Need a special access ramp for your wheelchair? Can't run the required course in the required time? Can't do the required number of push-ups? Not really a morning person? and refuse to get out of bed before noon? All can be legitimate reasons for denial.

The Military has one job: Winning War. Anything else is a distraction and a liability. Did someone just scream, that isn't fair? War is VERY unfair, there are no exceptions made for being special or challenged or socially wonderful. YOU must change yourself to meet Military standards and not the other way around.

I say again: You don't change the Military - you must change yourself. The Military is not about being fair, it is about taking advantage of others and about winning. The Military doesn't need to accommodate anyone with special issues. The Military needs to Win Wars and keep our Country safe - PERIOD! If any of your personal issues are a liability that detract from readiness, Thank you for applying and good luck in future endeavors.

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Re: President* Trump

Unread post by neoplacebo » Sun Apr 14, 2019 2:10 pm

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Question: How can President Trump claim to represent all U.S citizens, regardless of sexual orientation,
when he banned transgenders from joining the military? Isn't that discrimination?

Trey Gowdy's Response:
"Nobody has a right to serve in the Military. Nobody! What makes you people think the Military is an equal opportunity employer?
It is very far from it - and for good reasons - let me cite a few.

The Military uses prejudice regularly and consistently to deny citizens from joining for being too old or too young, too fat or too skinny,
too tall or too short. Citizens are denied for having flat feet, or for missing or additional fingers."

He went on to explain: "By the way, poor eyesight will disqualify you, as well as bad teeth. Malnourished? Drug addiction? Bad back? Criminal history? Low IQ? Anxiety? Phobias? Hearing damage? Six arms? Hear voices in your head? Self-identification as a Unicorn? Need a special access ramp for your wheelchair? Can't run the required course in the required time? Can't do the required number of push-ups? Not really a morning person? and refuse to get out of bed before noon? All can be legitimate reasons for denial.

The Military has one job: Winning War. Anything else is a distraction and a liability. Did someone just scream, that isn't fair? War is VERY unfair, there are no exceptions made for being special or challenged or socially wonderful. YOU must change yourself to meet Military standards and not the other way around.

I say again: You don't change the Military - you must change yourself. The Military is not about being fair, it is about taking advantage of others and about winning. The Military doesn't need to accommodate anyone with special issues. The Military needs to Win Wars and keep our Country safe - PERIOD! If any of your personal issues are a liability that detract from readiness, Thank you for applying and good luck in future endeavors.
Well, let's see......low IQ, anxiety, phobias, hearing voices in your head. Sorry Mr. Gowdy, we can't use you. Next. Sorry Mr. Cruz, you look remarkably like a prehistoric half fish half mammal; we can't use you. Sorry, Mr. Rubio, you're too short and cute; you'd never make it. Next.

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Re: President* Trump

Unread post by Vrede too » Sun Apr 14, 2019 3:09 pm

I've never been huge advocate for military equality for any group. I favor it, but it's demanding equality to participate in a bloated, wasteful, corrupt, imperialistic, war criminal organization.

Anyhow, the real reason that Leo Lyons and Trey Gowdy oppose trans equality in the military is NOT "a distraction and a liability ... detract from readiness". That failed screech has been used with every effort at integration - Blacks, Latinos, women, gays. No one that's served with trans soldiers believes it and anyone brave enough to endure being trans in the military on top of the normal challenges of military life is probably a better than average soldier. Rather, the reason they're throwing these hissy fits is because they know that integration has ALWAYS been a success AND that it has ALWAYS led to a more tolerant and just society. Their bigotry is so deep that they prefer to see the military harmed in order to satisfy their fear and hatred. Shame.
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Re: President* Trump

Unread post by neoplacebo » Sun Apr 14, 2019 3:58 pm

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I've never been huge advocate for military equality for any group. I favor it, but it's demanding equality to participate in a bloated, wasteful, corrupt, imperialistic, war criminal organization.

Anyhow, the real reason that Leo Lyons and Trey Gowdy oppose trans equality in the military is NOT "a distraction and a liability ... detract from readiness". That failed screech has been used with every effort at integration - Blacks, Latinos, women, gays. No one that's served with trans soldiers believes it and anyone brave enough to endure being trans in the military on top of the normal challenges of military life is probably a better than average soldier. Rather, the reason they're throwing these hissy fits is because they know that integration has ALWAYS been a success AND that it has ALWAYS led to a more tolerant and just society. Their bigotry is so deep that they prefer to see the military harmed in order to satisfy their fear and hatred. Shame.
Well, as a veteran, I can attest that there's a shit load of equality; everyone in my Navy boot camp company (about 90 guys) got the same shitty treatment for a couple of months, ate the same food, slept in the same place, all earned the same amount of money, plus we all had to renounce our Constitutional rights as citizens and be subject to an entirely different system, the Uniform Code of Military Justice; it differs from the Constitution in many ways and we, as well as our officers, were all now governed by it. The issue of gay or transgender never was an issue at that time. It was just not something that existed. if there were gay guys in my boot camp or on the ships I was on, I never knew it or considered or cared about it. These current issues about sexual orientation are just something the military was never designed to deal with, and the fact that it operates on a non Constitutional system of "rights" creates a problem for them. I don't know what the answer is, but I think if I had some sort of problem with my identity, sexual or otherwise, I don't think I would join the military. The military has gone a long way toward gender equality; there's women on naval vessels, even women naval aviators. I recently saw a story about the first Marine boot camp that was gender integrated. I think the best solution to the existing situation is just to let it keep going, not make exclusive regulations that affect current personnel, and not act like the typical shithead trump is about virtually anything he's involved with. Any gay or trans person currently serving should be allowed to continue to retirement or not re enlist; but it should be their own choice and not be influenced by misguided government policy or especially trumpism with penceism on the side. (In the future, when America is great again, trumpism and penceism will be defined as diseases or even pathogens)

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Re: President* Trump

Unread post by Leo Lyons » Sun Apr 14, 2019 4:26 pm

neoplacebo wrote:
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Well, let's see......low IQ, anxiety, phobias, hearing voices in your head. Sorry Mr. Gowdy, we can't use you. Next. Sorry Mr. Cruz, you look remarkably like a prehistoric half fish half mammal; we can't use you. Sorry, Mr. Rubio, you're too short and cute; you'd never make it. Next.
My stance has always been that if they (male, female, she-male, unknown, uncertain, confused, or they identify as a bullfrog) can do the job, let 'em join. If they can't or don't want to measure up to rigorous military standards, send 'em packing. If an enemy soldier can be scared shitless by an armed hairy-legged individual in a thong or a full low-cut party dress, give 'em a go at it. I draw the line at pedophiles though; they should be taken out and shot just for admitting their perverted desires. If I ever have a true hate for anyone, that's the one.

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Re: President* Trump

Unread post by neoplacebo » Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:04 pm

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Well, let's see......low IQ, anxiety, phobias, hearing voices in your head. Sorry Mr. Gowdy, we can't use you. Next. Sorry Mr. Cruz, you look remarkably like a prehistoric half fish half mammal; we can't use you. Sorry, Mr. Rubio, you're too short and cute; you'd never make it. Next.
My stance has always been that if they (male, female, she-male, unknown, uncertain, confused, or they identify as a bullfrog) can do the job, let 'em join. If they can't or don't want to measure up to rigorous military standards, send 'em packing. If an enemy soldier can be scared shitless by an armed hairy-legged individual in a thong or a full low-cut party dress, give 'em a go at it. I draw the line at pedophiles though; they should be taken out and shot just for admitting their perverted desires. If I ever have a true hate for anyone, that's the one.
That's what initial training, or boot camp, is designed for; who can stand prolonged stress and abusive treatment and can assimilate into a totally different environment. I can only recall two guys out of our initial group that didn't make it and there was another guy a couple years later who just had had enough of it evidently and jumped overboard during a formal inspection on a ship off San Diego. We had to launch a boat to rescue the fucker. They flew him off in a helicopter that same day; never saw him again. He's probably working for the Defense Department now or near retirement. Had I known at the time how smart he was, i would have jumped right after him, an impressive feat since he, as well as I, would have to clear the cargo nets that were folded down so it would be more like a running dive than just a jump.

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Unread post by Vrede too » Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:41 pm

That (cool) AND quoting Trey Gowdy seems rather bi to me, nttawwt.
It really is time to stop being nice about stupidity.

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Re: President* Trump

Unread post by neoplacebo » Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:13 pm

Vrede too wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:41 pm
That (cool) AND quoting Trey Gowdy seems rather bi to me, nttawwt.
I don't get it.

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neoplacebo wrote:
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Vrede too wrote:
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That (cool) AND quoting Trey Gowdy seems rather bi to me, nttawwt.
I don't get it.
I don't either. Maybe Vrede can define what it's like to be bi.

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Unread post by Vrede too » Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:37 pm

neoplacebo wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:13 pm
Vrede too wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:41 pm
That (cool) AND quoting Trey Gowdy seems rather bi to me, nttawwt.
I don't get it.
Seems to me to be an absolute conflict between Leo Lyons' "let 'em join" and his Trey Gowdy quote, AC/DC so to speak. Is the latter just childish trolling?
It really is time to stop being nice about stupidity.

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Re: President* Trump

Unread post by neoplacebo » Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:52 pm

Vrede too wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:37 pm
neoplacebo wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:13 pm
Vrede too wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:41 pm
That (cool) AND quoting Trey Gowdy seems rather bi to me, nttawwt.
I don't get it.
Seems to me to be an absolute conflict between Leo Lyons' "let 'em join" and his Trey Gowdy quote, AC/DC so to speak. Is the latter just childish trolling?
Oh, since your reply was just after my postings I couldn't understand what it meant. I never thought of myself as bisexual but then again if i could give myself oral sex I'd probably never leave the house. Hell, I wouldn't even answer the door if the cops were whomping on it. My only true experience with bisexuality was with two women and myself so I was sort of the odd man out, or in, depending on your viewpoint.

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Unread post by Vrede too » Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:09 pm

neoplacebo wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:52 pm
Oh, since your reply was just after my postings I couldn't understand what it meant.
Sorry.
I never thought of myself as bisexual
Nttawwt.
but then again if i could give myself oral sex I'd probably never leave the house. Hell, I wouldn't even answer the door if the cops were whomping on it.
After an Oakland Greatful Dead concert the cops brought in a young tripper found doing that in a Holiday Inn parking lot. We discussed whether auto-fellatio is the right term, or whether that's getting a blow job in a car.
My only true experience with bisexuality was with two women and myself so I was sort of the odd man out, or in, depending on your viewpoint.
Still hetero. Maybe bi if it's with a woman and a man, depending on what you do . . . or so I've heard.
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Unread post by O Really » Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:31 pm

Regarding who ought to be eligible for the military, the fundamental problem is that the military tries to recruit people who could all be kick-ass infantry people. Warriors. But truth is, many if not most of the military jobs don't require that skill or strength. If they used people more effectively, they could take a wider range of recruits without harming the "battle-ready" forces. They used to do something similar with the women (keeping them out of combat jobs), and they certainly give different assignments based on the tests one passes or fails, but they still require the same basic training as if everybody is going to do the same job. But the problem with the trans people is just bigotry and discrimination.

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Unread post by neoplacebo » Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:54 pm

Vrede too wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:09 pm
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Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:52 pm
Oh, since your reply was just after my postings I couldn't understand what it meant.
Sorry.
I never thought of myself as bisexual
Nttawwt.
but then again if i could give myself oral sex I'd probably never leave the house. Hell, I wouldn't even answer the door if the cops were whomping on it.
After an Oakland Greatful Dead concert the cops brought in a young tripper found doing that in a Holiday Inn parking lot. We discussed whether auto-fellatio is the right term, or whether that's getting a blow job in a car.
My only true experience with bisexuality was with two women and myself so I was sort of the odd man out, or in, depending on your viewpoint.
Still hetero. Maybe bi if it's with a woman and a man, depending on what you do . . . or so I've heard.
Well, for me it was bisexual because I was sexual and they were both near bi. We all broke the law and sinned repeatedly; it was truly a scene of debauchery and decadence that i will always wonder if I did the right thing or if I did the right thing enough. And that guy in Oakland must have been pretty talented. They should have made him head of gymnastics at the nearest facility and put up lighted billboards in his honor.

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Unread post by Leo Lyons » Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:56 pm

Vrede too wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:37 pm
Seems to me to be an absolute conflict between Leo Lyons' "let 'em join" and his Trey Gowdy quote, AC/DC so to speak.
I posted the Trey 'Gaudy' article because I never thought too much along the lines of what he (supposedely?) said about the military's "go to hell with your discrimination bullshit". I thought it would be an interesting read. If a woman can climb a utility pole and wrestle a transformer to a pole, by god, hire her and pay her equally; same applies to what/whoever else crawls, hops, jumps, runs, skips, prances, swishes, or bungee jumps into the employment/recruiting office to apply. As for the military, there are many more jobs besides combat positions, however the same basic training applies to ALL applicants. If you can't cut it, goodbye. Just because you want equality doesn't mean you're cut out for it.

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Re: President* Trump

Unread post by neoplacebo » Sun Apr 14, 2019 9:27 pm

O Really wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:31 pm
Regarding who ought to be eligible for the military, the fundamental problem is that the military tries to recruit people who could all be kick-ass infantry people. Warriors. But truth is, many if not most of the military jobs don't require that skill or strength. If they used people more effectively, they could take a wider range of recruits without harming the "battle-ready" forces. They used to do something similar with the women (keeping them out of combat jobs), and they certainly give different assignments based on the tests one passes or fails, but they still require the same basic training as if everybody is going to do the same job. But the problem with the trans people is just bigotry and discrimination.
I'm surprised you have this position; from what you've posted in the past, I gather that you are a veteran and were also in military intelligence or in the JAG corps. The general consensus among that community is that this is a problem they don't want to have or address and are at the mercy of the civilian leadership. As I mentioned before, active duty military members are not covered by the traditional protections of the US Constitution. This is where the conflict is; the Constitution and the UCMJ are not compatible. This should be made clear at the outset since most non military people have no concept of this contradiction. I have no animosity toward trans gender people but I do feel they should maybe be made aware that should they elect to join the military, they will not be afforded the same civil liberties they had as civilians. Also, I feel that current members should be able to serve until retirement or until they decide to resign. I just think it's a case of leave well enough alone, don't make the issue a political or social one; it's an issue of conformance to an alternative lifestyle and should not be burdened with un needed complications. I truly do not see it in terms of bigotry or discrimination. I have disagreed with you on the issue of the leaking of classified information; to wit, Elllsberg. You disagree with me on this issue of sexual orientation for active military being an issue of bigotry or discrimination. Fair enough.

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Re: President* Trump

Unread post by Vrede too » Sun Apr 14, 2019 9:32 pm

neoplacebo wrote:
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.... You disagree with me on this issue of sexual orientation for active military being an issue of bigotry or discrimination. Fair enough.
Why not? If they meet or exceed every other minimum standard expected of service members, isn't it discrimination to keep them out?
neoplacebo wrote:
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Well, for me it was bisexual because I was sexual and they were both near bi....
I don't think it's contagious. ;)
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Re: President* Trump

Unread post by neoplacebo » Sun Apr 14, 2019 9:51 pm

Vrede too wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 9:32 pm
neoplacebo wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 9:27 pm
.... You disagree with me on this issue of sexual orientation for active military being an issue of bigotry or discrimination. Fair enough.
Why not? If they meet or exceed every other minimum standard expected of service members, isn't it discrimination to keep them out?
neoplacebo wrote:
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Well, for me it was bisexual because I was sexual and they were both near bi....
I don't think it's contagious. ;)
It's the conflict between the UCMJ and the Constitution that presents the problem. Maybe if we had mandatory universal military service like Israel has, the problem would be solved. Again, it's not meeting or exceeding any qualifications; it's the basic conflict between two different sets of statutory systems. I just don't see it as a discrimination issue. And it wouldn't be absent the UCMJ.

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