It's Muller Time

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Re: It's Muller Time

Unread post by O Really » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:13 am

Yeppers - thus our move to be Canafornians - or Calinadians, whichever. Our life as Florilinians ends Tuesday. Of course, we still have to invade and survive Arkansas and Texas, as well as Land of Mormon, but nobody said life as a refugee is always easy.

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Re: It's Mueller Time

Unread post by Vrede too » Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:44 pm

Vrede too wrote:
Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:43 am
... What is Graham doing? He was a leading POSPOTUS critic within the GOP. Angling for a Cabinet post, now or in 2021? Positioning himself if POSPOTUS doesn’t run? Coming on to VP Q-tip? ...
Just announced he's running for Senate reelection in 2020. Must not want to deal with any Trumpette wrath in SC.
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Re: It's Mueller Time

Unread post by O Really » Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:07 pm

Vrede too wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:44 pm
Vrede too wrote:
Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:43 am
... What is Graham doing? He was a leading POSPOTUS critic within the GOP. Angling for a Cabinet post, now or in 2021? Positioning himself if POSPOTUS doesn’t run? Coming on to VP Q-tip? ...
Just announced he's running for Senate reelection in 2020. Must not want to deal with any Trumpette wrath in SC.
You're probably right, but he could have toned down the fawning drooling boot/ass licking a little and still appeared supportive. Actually, he could have just kept his mouth shut and most in SC would have assumed him to be with Trump. But he can't keep his mouth shut on any topic, can he? Never missed an opportunity for a quote or a spot on a talking head show. I've generally thought that his PR staff probably sends out comments and quotes by the hundreds to every news media they can find and figures some of them are bound to quote him.

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Re: It's Mueller Time

Unread post by Vrede too » Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:14 pm

O Really wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:07 pm
You're probably right, but he could have toned down the fawning drooling boot/ass licking a little and still appeared supportive. Actually, he could have just kept his mouth shut and most in SC would have assumed him to be with Trump. But he can't keep his mouth shut on any topic, can he? Never missed an opportunity for a quote or a spot on a talking head show. I've generally thought that his PR staff probably sends out comments and quotes by the hundreds to every news media they can find and figures some of them are bound to quote him.
Maybe he was told that he had to atone for being a leading POSPOTUS critic within the GOP? Maybe POSPOTUS directly threatened him? Idk.
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Re: It's Muller Time

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Re: It's Muller Time

Unread post by Whack9 » Fri May 03, 2019 9:21 pm

Anyone read the Mueller report?

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Re: It's Muller Time

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Re: It's Muller Time

Unread post by Whack9 » Wed May 29, 2019 5:54 pm

Robert Mueller gave a very brief press conference today.

The key takeaways:
Mueller reiterated the finding in his report, saying if his office "had confidence that the President clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so."

"We did not, however, make a determination as to whether the President did commit a crime," he said.

Mueller then explained, citing Department of Justice policy, that a President "cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office. That is unconstitutional."
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/ ... 4b2b662007

The points above, expanded a bit, that I find interesting:
(From a transcript of his speech)
First, the opinion explicitly permits the investigation of a sitting president, because it is important to preserve evidence while memories are fresh and documents available. Among other things, that evidence could be used if there were co-conspirators who could be charged now.

And second, the opinion says that the Constitution requires a process other than the criminal justice system to formally accuse a sitting president of wrongdoing. And beyond department policy, we were guided by principles of fairness. It would be unfair to potentially — it would be unfair to potentially accuse somebody of a crime when there can be no court resolution of the actual charge.
Sounds like Mueller is saying it's up to Congress to take his findings and formally accuse the president of wrong doing. The report speaks for itself.

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Re: It's Muller Time

Unread post by billy.pilgrim » Thu May 30, 2019 5:59 pm

Sounds like a cop- out.

He did determine that Flynn and popodolopolous committed crimes.But they were nobodies.

He also had plenty of almost identical crimes on Jared and junior. But they, like trump, are somebodies.

Reminds me of watching another prosecutor close his eyes to the real crimes of the somebodies while scooting a minor player off to wait for the promised pardon.
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Re: It's Muller Time

Unread post by 1 CAT FAN » Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:22 pm

Mueller's report looks bad for Obama
    The partisan warfare over the Mueller report will rage, but one thing cannot be denied: Former President Barack Obama looks just plain bad. On his watch, the Russians meddled in our democracy while his administration did nothing about it. The Mueller report flatly states that Russia began interfering in American democracy in 2014. Over the next couple of years, the effort blossomed into a robust attempt to interfere in our 2016 presidential election. The Obama administration knew this was going on and yet did nothing. In 2016, Obama's National Security Adviser Susan Rice told her staff to "stand down" and "knock it off" as they drew up plans to "strike back" against the Russians, according to an account from Michael Isikoff and David Corn in their book "Russian Roulette: The Inside Story of Putin's War on America and the Election of Donald Trump". Why did Obama go soft on Russia? My opinion is that it was because he was singularly focused on the nuclear deal with Iran. Obama wanted Putin in the deal, and to stand up to him on election interference would have, in Obama's estimation, upset that negotiation. This turned out to be a disastrous policy decision.
    Obama's supporters claim he did stand up to Russia by deploying sanctions after the election to punish them for their actions. But, Obama, according to the Washington Post, "approved a modest package... with economic sanctions so narrowly targeted that even those who helped design them describe their impact as largely symbolic." In other words, a toothless response to a serious incursion. But don't just take my word for it that Obama failed. Congressman Adam Schiff, who disgraced himself in this process by claiming collusion when Mueller found that none exists, once said that "the Obama administration should have done a lot more." The Washington Post reported that a senior Obama administration official said they "sort of choked" in failing to stop the Russian government's brazen activities. And Obama's ambassador to Russia, Michael McFaul, said, "The punishment did not fit the crime" about the weak sanctions rolled out after the 2016 election. A legitimate question Republicans are asking is whether the potential "collusion" narrative was invented to cover up the Obama administration's failures. Two years have been spent fomenting the idea that Russia only interfered because it had a willing, colluding partner: Trump. Now that Mueller has popped that balloon, we must ask why this collusion narrative was invented in the first place.
    Given Obama's record on Russia, one operating theory is that his people needed a smokescreen to obscure just how wrong they were. They've blamed Trump. They've even blamed Mitch McConnell, in some twisted attempt to deflect blame to another branch of government. Joe Biden once claimed McConnell refused to sign a letter condemning the Russians during the 2016 election. But McConnell's office counters that the White House asked him to sign a letter urging state electors to accept federal help in securing local elections -- and he did. I guess if I had failed to stop Russia from marching into Crimea, making a mess in Syria, and hacking our democracy I'd be looking to blame someone else, too. If you consider Russian election interference a crisis for our democracy, then you cannot read the Mueller report, adding it to the available public evidence, and conclude anything other than Barack Obama spectacularly failed America. Subsequent investigations of this matter should explore how and why Obama's White House failed, and whether they invented the collusion narrative to cover up those failures.
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        Re: It's Muller Time

        Unread post by neoplacebo » Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:57 pm

        :lol: :lol: :lol:

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        Re: It's Muller Time

        Unread post by bannination » Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:18 pm

        lol wut
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        Re: It's Muller Time

        Unread post by 1 CAT FAN » Sat Jun 15, 2019 9:39 pm

        Maybe the CNN journalist is still employed.
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        Re: It's Mueller Time

        Unread post by Vrede too » Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:52 pm

        It really is time to stop being nice about stupidity.

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        Unread post by GoCubsGo » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:58 am

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        Re: It's Muller Time

        Unread post by neoplacebo » Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:21 am

        I saw video of trump telling George Stephanopoulos that he's accomplished more than any other first term president which means trump thinks of himself as better than George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, or FDR. He probably really believes this. sad

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