With all the dumping on Florida, maybe we need a Carolina Man story or two

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Lotta bastards in law enforcement and industry.
There are, indeed.
There are cops who pull people over for driving while Mexican (or Black), too, but traffic patrol is still a worthwhile operation.

Seems to me we're possibly blaming ISAAC for doing its job while the real blame for the repression/suppression/icing/intimidation belongs considerably further up the food chain.

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As the article says, this was one accidentally leaked report, not the result of any governmental transparency. We don't know what else there is to the story or how the report has been updated since 2017. LEO-industry repression and smears have often appeared in the form of or included the type of unjustified investigations as the ISAAC report.

Remember, the whole starting premise here is that some protesters on some issue have been violent sometime in the past somewhere, not any actual and current and local threat. I'd say that it's a certainty that more members of pipeline construction crews have been violent sometime in the past somewhere - domestic abuse, bar fights, beating up protesters, white supremacy, intentional pollution, whatever - than have pipeline opponents. Where's their threat assessment? So, the tree hugger 'threat assessment' is intentionally biased and provocative from the start.
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All that may well be true, but I still wouldn't want to be the city or state agency guy to have to be cross-examined in court after a bunch of people got shot or blown up and explain why I did nothing to prepare for a fairly predictably controversial event. "No, we didn't try to find anything about the group. They said they'd be peaceful, so we just trusted them. And they didn't tell us any counter-protesters were going to show up, so how would we know?..."

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We had zero indication that this group would be violent, and historically groups like it have not been violent. We respect their right to protest peacefully without prior government intimidation.

Of course, it's not the protesters' responsibility to predict counter-protesters or what they might do. It was our error to not do a threat assessment on the counter-protesters who are known for violence.


Shooters and bombers have attacked churches many times, and attendance at services regularly outnumbers protests. Is anyone blaming government for not doing threat assessments on all church events?
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Good answer, except the church part.
People have shot up/blown up churches, schools, etc. sure, but those meetings are not inherently confrontational. An organized protest/demonstration often has as its purpose confrontation and conflict, peaceable or no.

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Man shot by his own booby trap while trying to feed squirrels, North Carolina police say
"I blew my arm off," man tells 911 dispatchers
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Sign on his driveway:

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I'm pretty sure that booby traps are "CRIMINAL ACTIVITY!", irony. I hope he's also charged and convicted.

911 audio: NC man injured after getting shot by his own booby-trap

As a pro that has worked with hundreds of first responders and trained scores more, am I terrible person if I don't feel a bit sorry for him?
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Man shot by his own booby trap while trying to feed squirrels, North Carolina police say
"I blew my arm off," man tells 911 dispatchers
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Sign on his driveway:

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I'm pretty sure that booby traps are "CRIMINAL ACTIVITY!", irony. I hope he's also charged and convicted.

911 audio: NC man injured after getting shot by his own booby-trap

As a pro that has worked with hundreds of first responders and trained scores more, am I terrible person if I don't feel a bit sorry for him?

All I see wrong with your statement is your use of "that" instead of "who".
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So close to a Darwin award. Better luck next time.

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From the article:

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Only in the south.
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Reading the article that was published in the Shelby newspaper, it would appear that the backwoods area he lived in really had been encroached on in recent years by meth makers, etc. Probably the same story as the film "Gran Torino", except this guy isn't Clint Eastwood and may himself be one of the less sharp knives in the drawer.

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billy.pilgrim wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:13 am
All I see wrong with your statement is your use of "that" instead of "who".
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O Really wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:08 am
So close to a Darwin award. Better luck next time.
There ought to be bonus points for real time audio or video.
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Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:50 am
Only in the south.
Same as our city, county or both patrol cars. In conjunction with his sign is a nice touch, though.

I had some trouble with the audio link above. This one seems to work and has closed captioning:
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/ ... 17310.html

"This sucks. ******* squirrels getting (did?) me in, buddy."

Yeah, they're hard on nuts.
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Officials: Inmates ran $560K online dating extortion scheme

I'm not sure whether this says more about Carolinians, convicts, men, dating site users, prison officials or members of the military.
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Isn't that the same scam the cops run as a "sting"?

I think there was even a TV show a few years ago where they did just that.

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O Really wrote:
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Isn't that the same scam the cops run as a "sting"?

I think there was even a TV show a few years ago where they did just that.
Dateline, I think.

Not exactly the same. In the cop/TV show sting the men think they're hooking up with underage girls, which is illegal. In this scam the convicts were posing as adult women and the soldiers thought it was all legal, THEN "daddy" claims that the nonexistent girls are underage.
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It's like the old pimp/hooker scheme where the hooker picks up a guy in a bar, takes him back to the room and when he's naked her "boyfriend/husband/father" comes tearing into the room, steals all his money/IDs/cards and threatens him with public exposure if he reports it. Possibly some of those in the prison scam had run that in person back in the day. Lots more profitable online, though.

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Officials: Inmates ran $560K online dating extortion scheme

I'm not sure whether this says more about Carolinians, convicts, men, dating site users, prison officials or members of the military.
Why don't they jam cell signals at prisons?
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GoCubsGo wrote:
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Why don't they jam cell signals at prisons?
The FCC bans doing so.

Also, I think that jamming signals is the first thing that convicts or their allies would do in the event of an escape or riot, if they could.
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O Really wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:13 pm
Isn't that the same scam the cops run as a "sting"?

I think there was even a TV show a few years ago where they did just that.
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Electrek: Tesla Supercharger gets taken over by anti-Tesla pickup truck drivers acting aggressively.
https://electrek.co/2018/12/24/tesla-su ... k-drivers/


“I’ve never had a supercharging experience like this one. These trucks blocked all the chargers, chanted “F” Tesla, and were kicked out by a Sheetz employee.”

'Leilani Münter, a racecar driver, environmental activist, and Tesla owner, also lives in North Carolina and reported truck drivers coal rolling.
This is scary. I’ve been coal-rolled in my Tesla by several trucks in NC, the drivers were hostile."
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billy.pilgrim wrote:
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Electrek: Tesla Supercharger gets taken over by anti-Tesla pickup truck drivers acting aggressively.
https://electrek.co/2018/12/24/tesla-su ... k-drivers/

“I’ve never had a supercharging experience like this one. These trucks blocked all the chargers, chanted “F” Tesla, and were kicked out by a Sheetz employee.”

'Leilani Münter, a racecar driver, environmental activist, and Tesla owner, also lives in North Carolina and reported truck drivers coal rolling.
This is scary. I’ve been coal-rolled in my Tesla by several trucks in NC, the drivers were hostile."
:wtf:

Too bad none of them had the balls to stick around, take credit and explain what their action was about. I guess that's why they have the compensatory BFTs.
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