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Re: Failed prohibition

Unread post by neoplacebo » Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:34 pm

billy.pilgrim wrote:
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The war on drugs is all bullshit; it started over misconceptions and misinformation to begin with in the case of pot (see Weed the People, a book that describes how the laws about pot came about) and was accelerated by Nixon and his paranoia and "law and order" drivel while he and his buddies were breaking the law themselves.....Elvis gives them a boost in about 71 by visiting the president and becoming an honorary DEA agent and then goes home and gets blasted on alcohol and pills, and later dies on the shitter. This is the tragic story of drugs in America, or at least how some misguided people perceive the story of drugs in America. Elvis and Nixon abused drugs. I don't. To me, abusing drugs would be throwing them away or losing them. I've been in the war on drugs since it started, and I'm on drugs side. ok

Leo wouldn't be interested in the whys and wherefores. So what if these laws against a harmless plant were created to keep the niggers down, so what there weren't any pot problems before the laws, so what that it's these laws are still destroying black families and have now moved on to poor whites. So what that misinformation and lies fuels votes for the right.

Sorry, I couldn't find a clip of Charlie smoking hemp in the nearly 100 year old Gold Rush, but eating the shoe is especially good when you know that he hated licorice and had to film the scenes ll times.

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I took Bob and Mary Clement and her mom to dinner at Flounder's on Pensacola Beach in 1990. Most, or much of our inebriated conversation was about pot law. He really surprised me by saying that most pols flavored legalization but then fell back on the tired old flip/flop that he knew it would be political suicide and there were more important issues.
Mary and mom were for legalization.
I have an equal distaste for licorice and prohibition of innocuous substances, so I don't buy licorice and I peruse the prohibited innocuous substance venues on a regular basis. You're right that most politicians won't touch the subject of legalizing pot unless they're about to die or commit severe fraud on a mass scale. This is slowly changing; Canada recently decriminalized pot a few months ago for the whole country. The last thing I remember seeing Leo post about illegal drugs seemed like a quote from some minimally researched non reality based law enforcement handout.....sort of like the scene in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas where the good doctor and his attorney attend the national district attorneys conference while under the influence of the very drugs the conference is railing against. There's just no end to it. Just to reiterate, I've only abused drugs once, and it was when I lost some drugs and never did find them. But I've never abused drugs by actually throwing them away.

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Re: Failed prohibition

Unread post by Leo Lyons » Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:06 pm

neoplacebo wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:34 pm
billy.pilgrim wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:18 pm
Leo wouldn't be interested in the whys and wherefores. So what if these laws against a harmless plant were created to keep the niggers down, so what there weren't any pot problems before the laws, so what that it's these laws are still destroying black families and have now moved on to poor whites. So what that misinformation and lies fuels votes for the right.
You're right that most politicians won't touch the subject of legalizing pot unless they're about to die or commit severe fraud on a mass scale. This is slowly changing; Canada recently decriminalized pot a few months ago for the whole country. The last thing I remember seeing Leo post about illegal drugs seemed like a quote from some minimally researched non reality based law enforcement handout.....sort of like the scene in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas where the good doctor and his attorney attend the national district attorneys conference while under the influence of the very drugs the conference is railing against. There's just no end to it. Just to reiterate, I've only abused drugs once, and it was when I lost some drugs and never did find them. But I've never abused drugs by actually throwing them away.
Perhaps, in your eagerness to bash illegal drug enforcement, you two failed over and over to realize I have never called marijuana an "illegal drug", despite it's classification as such in several states whose government is controlled by zealots or radically religious soap-box mouth-pieces looking for a pat on the back, or more.

I smoked pot twice in my life, once in an OTJ controlled experiment, and once in the privacy of my home. I got nothing out of it either time except a coughing spasm on my second go round. There were no butterflies, naked virgins, paper money falling from the sky, or whatever maladies that pot smokers enjoy, so I personally have no use for it. To me it's no different from consuming alcohol, if someone wants to smoke it, go for it.

By the way, I despise licorice too.

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Re: Failed prohibition

Unread post by neoplacebo » Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:55 pm

Leo Lyons wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:06 pm
neoplacebo wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:34 pm
billy.pilgrim wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:18 pm
Leo wouldn't be interested in the whys and wherefores. So what if these laws against a harmless plant were created to keep the niggers down, so what there weren't any pot problems before the laws, so what that it's these laws are still destroying black families and have now moved on to poor whites. So what that misinformation and lies fuels votes for the right.
You're right that most politicians won't touch the subject of legalizing pot unless they're about to die or commit severe fraud on a mass scale. This is slowly changing; Canada recently decriminalized pot a few months ago for the whole country. The last thing I remember seeing Leo post about illegal drugs seemed like a quote from some minimally researched non reality based law enforcement handout.....sort of like the scene in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas where the good doctor and his attorney attend the national district attorneys conference while under the influence of the very drugs the conference is railing against. There's just no end to it. Just to reiterate, I've only abused drugs once, and it was when I lost some drugs and never did find them. But I've never abused drugs by actually throwing them away.
Perhaps, in your eagerness to bash illegal drug enforcement, you two failed over and over to realize I have never called marijuana an "illegal drug", despite it's classification as such in several states whose government is controlled by zealots or radically religious soap-box mouth-pieces looking for a pat on the back, or more.

I smoked pot twice in my life, once in an OTJ controlled experiment, and once in the privacy of my home. I got nothing out of it either time except a coughing spasm on my second go round. There were no butterflies, naked virgins, paper money falling from the sky, or whatever maladies that pot smokers enjoy, so I personally have no use for it. To me it's no different from consuming alcohol, if someone wants to smoke it, go for it.

By the way, I despise licorice too.
I have no eagerness to bash "illegal" drug enforcement. I do have an eagerness to stop ignorance and stupidity that's been given a stamp of approval or maybe just apathy that surrounds the drug controversy. I have previously recognized your admitted lenience toward pot as a cop. As for your apparent unsuccessful experience with it, I am shocked. You didn't mention when this might have occurred, but traditionally the cops have had access to the best of what's been confiscated....you should try it now; it's a lot better than that old Mexican shit that they say is an emergency threat down at the border

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Re: Failed prohibition

Unread post by billy.pilgrim » Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:06 pm

Leo Lyons wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:06 pm
neoplacebo wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:34 pm
billy.pilgrim wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:18 pm
Leo wouldn't be interested in the whys and wherefores. So what if these laws against a harmless plant were created to keep the niggers down, so what there weren't any pot problems before the laws, so what that it's these laws are still destroying black families and have now moved on to poor whites. So what that misinformation and lies fuels votes for the right.
You're right that most politicians won't touch the subject of legalizing pot unless they're about to die or commit severe fraud on a mass scale. This is slowly changing; Canada recently decriminalized pot a few months ago for the whole country. The last thing I remember seeing Leo post about illegal drugs seemed like a quote from some minimally researched non reality based law enforcement handout.....sort of like the scene in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas where the good doctor and his attorney attend the national district attorneys conference while under the influence of the very drugs the conference is railing against. There's just no end to it. Just to reiterate, I've only abused drugs once, and it was when I lost some drugs and never did find them. But I've never abused drugs by actually throwing them away.
Perhaps, in your eagerness to bash illegal drug enforcement, you two failed over and over to realize I have never called marijuana an "illegal drug", despite it's classification as such in several states whose government is controlled by zealots or radically religious soap-box mouth-pieces looking for a pat on the back, or more.

I smoked pot twice in my life, once in an OTJ controlled experiment, and once in the privacy of my home. I got nothing out of it either time except a coughing spasm on my second go round. There were no butterflies, naked virgins, paper money falling from the sky, or whatever maladies that pot smokers enjoy, so I personally have no use for it. To me it's no different from consuming alcohol, if someone wants to smoke it, go for it.

By the way, I despise licorice too.
We finally agree on something, "illegal drug enforcement" is not a good thing.
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Re: Failed prohibition

Unread post by Vrede too » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:00 am

Supervised injection facilities are necessary; adding drug-checking services would save even more lives

Mayor de Blasio's support for overdose prevention sites in New York City is a powerful gesture signaling a shift away from criminalization and the war on drugs toward much-needed health-based strategies that prioritize saving lives and reducing stigma.

The report released by the mayor's office last week finally reveals the record number of overdose deaths New York City suffered in 2017: 1,441. A New Yorker dies of overdose every seven hours.

As New York City embraces overdose prevention sites, city and state officials must continue working with advocates to develop additional innovative tools that are centered around the decision-making of people who use drugs. One such measure that stands to save countless lives is drug checking, which is the anonymous testing of drugs to see if they contain dangerous ingredients. One such ingredient is fentanyl, a potent synthetic opioid commonly mixed with heroin that, paradoxically, has become pervasive in the illicit drug supply largely due to the war on drugs.

In 2016, the majority of overdose deaths in the U.S. were not from prescription painkillers or even heroin. For the first time since the overdose crisis started, fentanyl — a potent synthetic opioid — accounted for "nearly all the increases in drug overdose deaths from 2015 to 2016," according to an article recently published in the Journal of the American Medical Association. Over the last three years, fentanyl-related deaths have spiked a jaw-dropping 540%.

Preliminary data for 2017 show that fentanyl was involved in half of all overdose deaths in New York City last year.

New York City's proposed overdose prevention sites will offer participants significant protection against overdoses by having trained medical professionals on hand to monitor people's use. This is particularly critical because fentanyl overdoses occur in a matter of minutes (as opposed to hours for a heroin overdose); using drugs in a supervised setting will allow for the immediate provision of medical assistance in the event of an overdose.

But while having trained professionals on hand to stop a fentanyl-related overdose will undoubtedly save lives, why not also give participants the option to test drugs for fentanyl first and help reduce overdose risk altogether? ...

In the 1980s and 90s, thousands of lives were saved when a then-controversial practice of needle exchange programs helped reduce the spread of HIV infections. We need New York state to once again step up to the plate and take the lead the public health and the effort stop the opioid overdose epidemic. Supporting safe injection sites is one way; providing a way for drug users to know if their drugs could kill them is another.
It really is time to stop being nice about stupidity.

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Re: Failed prohibition

Unread post by Leo Lyons » Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:50 pm

Supervised injection sites are like providing a separate lane for drunk drivers.

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Re: Failed prohibition

Unread post by O Really » Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:08 pm

Leo Lyons wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:50 pm
Supervised injection sites are like providing a separate lane for drunk drivers.
Jersey City already has that. They call it a "sidewalk."
https://www.wric.com/video/video-shows- ... 1801325698

Hey, Leo - how's the NYC winter treating you?

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Re: Failed prohibition

Unread post by Vrede too » Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:28 pm

Utterly failed metaphor. Sad.

Supervised injection sites are like providing a safe alternative so that drunks DON'T drive.
Prohibition is foolishly hoping after decades of failure that drunks won't drive if we scold them.
It really is time to stop being nice about stupidity.

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Re: Failed prohibition

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Vrede too wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:28 pm
Utterly failed metaphor. Sad.

Supervised injection sites are like providing a safe alternative so that drunks DON'T drive.
Prohibition is foolishly hoping after decades of failure that drunks won't drive if we scold them.
I'm always amazed at people's ability to compartmentalize conflicting logic. Drugs and guns are just alike. Useful, good products that can be dangerous when used improperly or for criminal purposes. Treat them alike - pick one: make private use of drugs legal and accept the chance some people will harm themselves, or treat firearms like they've been treating drugs and likely get about the same results. You can't argue that restrictions on possession and use of firearms "just won't work because outlaws" and then say the same approach will work on drugs.

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Re: Failed prohibition

Unread post by Vrede too » Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:27 am

O Really wrote:
Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:08 am
I'm always amazed at people's ability to compartmentalize conflicting logic....
I've lost my amazement with SOME people.
It really is time to stop being nice about stupidity.

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Re: Failed prohibition

Unread post by Leo Lyons » Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:01 pm

O Really wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:08 pm
Hey, Leo - how's the NYC winter treating you?
I'm currently not in NY, but I'm tolerating the weather. Not liking it, tolerating it.
How's it wherever it is you are?

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Re: Failed prohibition

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Leo Lyons wrote:
Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:01 pm
O Really wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:08 pm
Hey, Leo - how's the NYC winter treating you?
I'm currently not in NY, but I'm tolerating the weather. Not liking it, tolerating it.
How's it wherever it is you are?
Just another mid-winter day in south Florida... https://www.google.com/search?q=weather ... e&ie=UTF-8

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Re: Failed prohibition

Unread post by Leo Lyons » Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:06 pm

Vrede too wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:28 pm
Utterly failed metaphor. Sad.
As is your screen name and avatar.
You should look for a screen name and avatar that depicts a sociopath. Own that.


Supervised injection sites are like providing a safe alternative so that drunks DON'T drive.
Prohibition is foolishly hoping after decades of failure that drunks won't drive if we scold them.
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Re: Failed prohibition

Unread post by Leo Lyons » Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:10 pm

O Really wrote:
Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:08 am
I'm always amazed at people's ability to compartmentalize conflicting logic.
My remark was a quote of some Repub elected official. I don't recall his station in life.
Vrede too wrote:
Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:27 am
I've lost my amazement with SOME people.
The only amazement you ever had is lost somewhere in the maze of your mind. :violin: :laughing-rolling:

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Re: Failed prohibition

Unread post by Leo Lyons » Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:13 pm

O Really wrote:
Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:04 pm
Leo Lyons wrote:
Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:01 pm
O Really wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:08 pm
Hey, Leo - how's the NYC winter treating you?
I'm currently not in NY, but I'm tolerating the weather. Not liking it, tolerating it.
How's it wherever it is you are?
Just another mid-winter day in south Florida...
I've been seriously considering a move to Florida. It's been mid-thirties to low forties here in the DC areas.

BTW, since rstrong has turned to an iceball, did you filch his avatar? hah!
(any idea as to his whereabouts?)

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Re: Failed prohibition

Unread post by O Really » Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:37 pm

Leo Lyons wrote:
Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:13 pm
O Really wrote:
Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:04 pm
Leo Lyons wrote:
Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:01 pm
O Really wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:08 pm
Hey, Leo - how's the NYC winter treating you?
I'm currently not in NY, but I'm tolerating the weather. Not liking it, tolerating it.
How's it wherever it is you are?
Just another mid-winter day in south Florida...
I've been seriously considering a move to Florida. It's been mid-thirties to low forties here in the DC areas.

BTW, since rstrong has turned to an iceball, did you filch his avatar? hah!
(any idea as to his whereabouts?)
Rstrong hasn't been here or on another Canadian forum I've seen him on since last May. Don't know what happened to him - he was/is a good guy. His avatar was the wiggly nose rabbit. Mine represents the O Really family transition from "Florilinians" to "Canafornians"

I'm sure you'd be welcome in Florida - everybody is always looking for more New Yorkers to tell them "how we did it up north"

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Re: Failed prohibition

Unread post by Leo Lyons » Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:39 pm

O Really wrote:
Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:37 pm
Rstrong hasn't been here or on another Canadian forum I've seen him on since last May. Don't know what happened to him - he was/is a good guy. His avatar was the wiggly nose rabbit. Mine represents the O Really family transition from "Florilinians" to "Canafornians"
He prob'ly got tired of the competition in this forum :lol: , he could've just got to busy to fool with forum life, or he could've passed on. :(

I'm sure you'd be welcome in Florida - everybody is always looking for more New Yorkers to tell them "how we did it up north"
Ha! No danger there, not being a native. I wouldn't give a rat's poot how anything was done in NY; weird folks there.

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Re: Failed prohibition

Unread post by Vrede too » Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:09 pm

Man who bought $540 of Girl Scouts cookies is arrested

A South Carolina man who bought more than 120 boxes of Girl Scouts cookies to help the scouts escape the cold has been arrested on drug charges.

News outlets report the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency says 46-year-old Detric Lee McGowan was arrested Tuesday on charges including conspiracy to distribute fentanyl and cocaine. The agency says McGowan is the same man who appeared in a photo that garnered thousands of views and shares online.

Mother Kayla Dillard had shared the photo on Facebook, saying the man paid $540 in cash for all the girls' cookies so they could escape the cold outside a store near Greenville, South Carolina. She said she didn't get the man's name....
Friend of yours, Whack9?

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"fentanyl and cocaine"???
$540 of Girl Scouts cookies screamed marijuana munchies to me.

The moral of the story is that drug pushers are more compassionate and generous than anyone else. :D

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Just because he was arrested on drug charges does not mean he was not a valued customer to the Girl Scout Troop who sold him the cookies.
He’s a modern day Robin Hood..He supports his local Girl Scouts, while also fulfilling the community’s pharmaceutical needs..and this is the thanks he gets??
I knew there had to be something in those cookies.
Next up... "Girl scouts arrested for laundering drug money."
R. Kelly also ran into trouble when he paid some girl scouts $540, although his request had nothing to do with cookies.
Nookies?
Or did it.......
:o
Gonna be honest, I didn't see that coming.
Those Do-si-dos ARE addictive as crack.
It really is time to stop being nice about stupidity.

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Re: Failed prohibition

Unread post by Vrede too » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:24 am

To: <Citizens Memorial Hospital in Bolivar, MO> infocenter@citizensmemorial.com
Subject: Nolan Sousley

Re: Police search (dying) cancer patient's hospital room for marijuana; video sparks backlash
https://www.yahoo.com/news/police-searc ... 24284.html

At the least you could have done the decent thing and asked your patient about his activities before being so cowardly as to secretly call the cops. You should be ashamed!

Sincerely,
Other ways to contact Citizens Memorial Hospital in Bolivar, MO:
https://www.citizensmemorial.com/about/contact.html

I'm not bothering to contact the Bolivar, MO Police, sounds like they've gotten plenty:
Bolivar Police Chief Mark Webb told the News-Leader that the social media backlash has included threats against police and a deluge of questions that the department was unable to keep up with.
The cops were lying (that’s what cops do) about smelling marijuana. However, the odor of ham actually persisted in the room for long after they left.
It really is time to stop being nice about stupidity.

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