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The implication being that Aschoff's pneumonia and death were a result of vaping? I did a Google search on Aschoff vaping and couldn't find any links. But I agree it's possible... considering how many seem to have contracted severe lung disease from vaping.

Me, never vaped. I came around about three decades after I quit any form of smoking. I have briefly been around people who were vaping. In some cases they acted rather furtive but I didn't pry into why. But it was in a locale - hilltop gathering spot to watch the often spectacular sunsets over the SF Bay - where people often toke on pot joints and I don't give a shit about that. For various reasons I hardly visit that spot any more, but now I'm wondering if any of them have experienced lung issues. It sucks... using a new technology to try to avoid harm and instead getting even worse.
Actually, I was just commenting on O Really's "got run over by a truck. Or whatever." Vaping did not occur to me. Vaping-associated pulmonary injury did not become a thing until after I retired. Also, it can be mistaken for pneumonia at first, but it's not pneumonia. Otoh, it might make one more susceptible to pneumonia.

I tobacco vaped for a few months to quit smoking, did not get ill. I've never THC vaped, and now probably never will.
I did not know you had quit smoking, hominy. Good luck. This talk about pneumonia just reminds me that many times during the last several decades I myself have suffered bouts of the rockin' pneumonia as well as the boogie woogie flu. But so far not both in one episode. I also wish to point out that both of those conditions have high probability of recurrence; there is no immunity or acquired tolerance to either of those acute, and prevalent (for me) conditions. You just have to roll with it.

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Perhaps the lower incidence of reported THC/vaping use in the afflicted is due to a reluctance of the patients to reveal a use of an illegal substance. Or it could be a compassionate discretion on the part of the medical provider to omit that information from their reports. Not good for epidemiology, but perhaps in the individual patients' best interests.

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How does that even happen?
I don't know the factors in this case, but things that can influence such a tragic outcome include:

PPP - piss poor protoplasm (a genetic failure) - I had a 28 year old, non-drug using patient come in dead and we could not save her. Autopsy showed coronary artery disease and an MI like she was 80.
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Undiagnosed condition making the victim chronically susceptible - HIV, earlier lung damage, etc.
Antibiotic resistant pathogen ...
ESPN reporter Edward Aschoff was diagnosed with pneumonia, autoimmune disease HLH before he died on Christmas Eve

ESPN reporter Edward Aschoff was being treated for a rare autoimmune disease called HLH after a failed treatment for multifocal pneumonia when he died on Christmas Eve, which was also his 34th birthday.

Aschoff was initially admitted to the hospital earlier this month and diagnosed with pneumonia — but his symptoms began to worsen despite a round of antibiotic treatment and he landed back in the emergency room a week later, his fiancée, Katy Berteau, wrote in a series of tweets.

“After many tests – bone marrow and lung biopsies – treatment was started for a presumed diagnosis of HLH, an unregulated, over-activation of the immune system that causes it to attack itself and other healthy tissues,” she wrote.

“Within three days of being moved to the ICU, he passed.”

According to Johns Hopkins Medicine, HLH or Hemophagocytic Lymphohistiocystosis, typically occurs in infants or young children, though it does occasionally manifest in adults. It can be passed on both genetically and by way of virus and comes with symptoms including skin rashes, swollen lymph nodes, jaundice and liver enlargement.

In adults, it can cause severe infection and even cancer....
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ESPN reporter Edward Aschoff was diagnosed with pneumonia, autoimmune disease HLH before he died on Christmas Eve

ESPN reporter Edward Aschoff was being treated for a rare autoimmune disease called HLH after a failed treatment for multifocal pneumonia when he died on Christmas Eve, which was also his 34th birthday.

Aschoff was initially admitted to the hospital earlier this month and diagnosed with pneumonia — but his symptoms began to worsen despite a round of antibiotic treatment and he landed back in the emergency room a week later, his fiancée, Katy Berteau, wrote in a series of tweets.

“After many tests – bone marrow and lung biopsies – treatment was started for a presumed diagnosis of HLH, an unregulated, over-activation of the immune system that causes it to attack itself and other healthy tissues,” she wrote.

“Within three days of being moved to the ICU, he passed.”

According to Johns Hopkins Medicine, HLH or Hemophagocytic Lymphohistiocystosis, typically occurs in infants or young children, though it does occasionally manifest in adults. It can be passed on both genetically and by way of virus and comes with symptoms including skin rashes, swollen lymph nodes, jaundice and liver enlargement.

In adults, it can cause severe infection and even cancer....
Yeah, I just heard about this on the evening news (we are three hours behind the east coast). Bummer!

I worked in an immunology lab doing cell culture and experiements in the late 70's - early 80's. Immune suppression and cancer stuff. For about three years. I don't recall hearing about HLH back then, but the grad students probably knew about it. I do recall hearing about auto-immune disorders though, but HLH is so rare (thankfully). Unsaid if Aschoff's case was familial or acquired. If acquired, it's still possible that vaping (if he vaped) had a part in it, I suppose. But it sounds not. Which, while very bad for him, might be good news for those who still vape. Lots of conditions are thought to be auto-immune: diabetes (type 1), rheumatoid arthritis (I think), I forget the full list.

Also sounds like the only cure of Aschoff might have been a stem cell transplant - but it also sounds like he deteriorated so fast that this either was ruled out or not feasible in the amount of time he had.

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3.2 million in legal weed was sold in Illinois on first day, marking a strong showing among states' legalization
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Medical Marijuana Measure Qualifies for Mississippi 2020 Ballot

A measure to legalize medical marijuana in Mississippi has officially qualified for the November ballot. DPA has provided financial support and guidance to the campaign – operated by Mississippians for Compassionate Care – since its inception, including funding for signature gathering and the initial poll that indicated the ballot’s viability.

Under the proposal, patients suffering from 22 qualifying medical issues – including cancer, chronic pain, and post-traumatic stress disorder – would be able to access medical marijuana, after receiving a recommendation to do so from a physician. Patients would be permitted to possess up to 2.5 ounces of marijuana per 14-day period.
"... 2.5 ounces of marijuana per 14-day period." :wtf:
I would never leave the couch, let alone my home. I wonder if this will become a campaign issue.

If this passes, in Mississippi!:

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Criminalizing Drug Sellers Makes Drugs Cheaper And Deadlier, Report Say

Rethinking the "Drug Dealer"

Of course, drug war addicted LEOs and their enablers don't really care about reducing drug use or improving public health, and never have.
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3.2 million in legal weed was sold in Illinois on first day, marking a strong showing among states' legalization
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Medical Marijuana Measure Qualifies for Mississippi 2020 Ballot

A measure to legalize medical marijuana in Mississippi has officially qualified for the November ballot. DPA has provided financial support and guidance to the campaign – operated by Mississippians for Compassionate Care – since its inception, including funding for signature gathering and the initial poll that indicated the ballot’s viability.

Under the proposal, patients suffering from 22 qualifying medical issues – including cancer, chronic pain, and post-traumatic stress disorder – would be able to access medical marijuana, after receiving a recommendation to do so from a physician. Patients would be permitted to possess up to 2.5 ounces of marijuana per 14-day period.
"... 2.5 ounces of marijuana per 14-day period." :wtf:
I would never leave the couch, let alone my home. I wonder if this will become a campaign issue.

If this passes, in Mississippi!:

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Criminalizing Drug Sellers Makes Drugs Cheaper And Deadlier, Report Say

Rethinking the "Drug Dealer"

Of course, drug war addicted LEOs and their enablers don't really care about reducing drug use or improving public health, and never have.
2.5 ounces per 14 day period? :shock: That's like twenty times my personal performance. I may have to change my thoughts about Mississippi.

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2.5 ounces per 14 day period? :shock: That's like twenty times my personal performance. I may have to change my thoughts about Mississippi.
Come to think of it, if I was forced to live in Mississippi . . .
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Come to think of it, if I was forced to live in Mississippi . . .
There are a few places, like down by the Gulf, where you might not mind living if you never wanted to leave. But having to drive back into First World states with Mississippi plates on your car would be like constantly walking around with toilet paper on your shoe or your pants busted out.

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Of course, drug war addicted LEOs and their enablers don't really care about reducing drug use or improving public health, and never have.
Nurses are arrested all the time for forging prescriptions. Illegally selling drugs online that they have stolen from healthcare facilities.
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There are a few places, like down by the Gulf, where you might not mind living if you never wanted to leave. But having to drive back into First World states with Mississippi plates on your car would be like constantly walking around with toilet paper on your shoe or your pants busted out.
Yeah, it was hyperbole on my part. One can find a good community of folks even in the worst places.

I would put a rainbow "Diversity" bumpersticker as close as possible to the Mississippi plate.
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2.5 ounces per 14 day period? :shock: That's like twenty times my personal performance. I may have to change my thoughts about Mississippi.
Come to think of it, if I was forced to live in Mississippi . . .
My only experience with MS is about three months of classes at a Navy school at NAS Meridian. And there was more to do on the Naval Station than there was in town as I recall. It seemed to be a very poor and backward area. But five ounces a month has the potential to change a person's thoughts about a lot of things.

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Of course, drug war addicted LEOs and their enablers don't really care about reducing drug use or improving public health, and never have.
Nurses are arrested all the time for forging prescriptions. Illegally selling drugs online that they have stolen from healthcare facilities.
Then there's the crooked lawyers that get them off.
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My only experience with MS is about three months of classes at a Navy school at NAS Meridian. And there was more to do on the Naval Station than there was in town as I recall. It seemed to be a very poor and backward area. But five ounces a month has the potential to change a person's thoughts about a lot of things.
"three months" = about 90 days = 6.4 x 14 days = exactly 1 pound. 8-) :thumbup:
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My only experience with MS is about three months of classes at a Navy school at NAS Meridian. And there was more to do on the Naval Station than there was in town as I recall. It seemed to be a very poor and backward area. But five ounces a month has the potential to change a person's thoughts about a lot of things.
"three months" = about 90 days = 6.4 x 14 days = exactly 1 pound. 8-) :thumbup:
Hmmmm, 2.5 ounces per 14 days is 5 ounces in 28 days. Let's call 28 days a month. At this rate, after 3 months you'd be into it for 15 ounces, one short of a pound. I doubt they will notice, though. I suspect this is the origin of the old saying "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." But I sure would settle for a pound of cure. I will leave the prevention to someone else.

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Hmmmm, 2.5 ounces per 14 days is 5 ounces in 28 days. Let's call 28 days a month. At this rate, after 3 months you'd be into it for 15 ounces, one short of a pound. I doubt they will notice, though. I suspect this is the origin of the old saying "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." But I sure would settle for a pound of cure. I will leave the prevention to someone else.
I went with 30-day months, but still thought I was going to end up with 15 ounces, as you say. Surprise, it does make a pound. If I was high (still or yet), I would not have been able to do this at all ;) .
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Hmmmm, 2.5 ounces per 14 days is 5 ounces in 28 days. Let's call 28 days a month. At this rate, after 3 months you'd be into it for 15 ounces, one short of a pound. I doubt they will notice, though. I suspect this is the origin of the old saying "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." But I sure would settle for a pound of cure. I will leave the prevention to someone else.
I went with 30-day months, but still thought I was going to end up with 15 ounces, as you say. Surprise, it does make a pound. If I was high (still or yet), I would not have been able to do this at all ;) .
The last time I obtained an ounce of prevention it was $400 so that makes a pound of cure $6400. This is the reason the GOP "brain" trust that resides in folks like Jeff Sessions and Bill Barr are reluctant to interfere in this free market stuff. Even though the prices are likely a lot less with legalization, those GOP brain trust folks realized they were getting nothing out of it and it was costing them out the ass when it was illegal. Now that they've realized the potential of this, they have changed their tunes. How about that? It was the same thing with alcohol for the 13 years of prohibition; nobody was making money except the "criminals." They had to put a stop to that. Pot has been illegal in the US since 1937 so it flied in the face of reason that they've neglected this for so long when it only took them 13 years to realize how wrong they were about alcohol.

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The last time I obtained an ounce of prevention it was $400 so that makes a pound of cure $6400. .... Even though the prices are likely a lot less with legalization...
Substantially so. And California has the highest legal prices. You need to relocate, dude.

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The last time I obtained an ounce of prevention it was $400 so that makes a pound of cure $6400. .... Even though the prices are likely a lot less with legalization...
Substantially so. And California has the highest legal prices. You need to relocate, dude.

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Well, that was quite some time ago; nearly ten years. When I first started in this war on drugs, on the side of drugs, one could buy a pound of standard late 60's prevention for about $185. I think I once related the tale of how a friend once bought a 69 Z28 Camaro for $1800 and a pound of prevention. These days a lot has changed, including me, the price of a Z28, and the price and quality of prevention.l

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The last time I obtained an ounce of prevention it was $400 so that makes a pound of cure $6400. .... Even though the prices are likely a lot less with legalization...
Substantially so. And California has the highest legal prices. You need to relocate, dude.

https://socal-cbd-and-marijuana.busines ... m=referral
Well, that was quite some time ago; nearly ten years. When I first started in this war on drugs, on the side of drugs, one could buy a pound of standard late 60's prevention for about $185. I think I once related the tale of how a friend once bought a 69 Z28 Camaro for $1800 and a pound of prevention. These days a lot has changed, including me, the price of a Z28, and the price and quality of prevention.l
Matchbox was $5.00
3 finger lid was $15 to $20
A full lid was $20 to $25

3 finger lids were usually 2 fingers and I never saw pot sold in the prince albert can (lid).


Now it comes in pretty glass jars
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