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Arizona Proposition 207, Marijuana Legalization Initiative (2020)

Arizona Proposition 207, the Marijuana Legalization Initiative, is on the ballot in Arizona as an initiated state statute on November 3, 2020.

A "yes" vote supports this ballot initiative to legalize the possession and use of marijuana for persons who are at least 21 years old, enact a tax on marijuana sales, and require the state Department of Health and Human Services to develop rules to regulate marijuana businesses.

A "no" vote opposes this ballot initiative, thus keeping the recreational possession and use of marijuana illegal under state law in Arizona.

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Will the lefty-libertarian coalition prevail?
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Hopefully, but if I had to bet, I'd put money on the fear and hate faction.

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neoplacebo wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:40 pm
Hopefully, but if I had to bet, I'd put money on the fear and hate faction.
Polling about 65% favor.

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O Really wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 6:55 pm
Polling about 65% favor.
:oops: I should have scrolled my own link.

Total Expenditures
Support $3,462,933.88
Oppose $120,534.89

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Polls AVERAGE
Support 63.75% to 28.65%

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For a second I was pissed at Alabama, then I remembered it could have been the same here in Florida

https://www.al.com/opinion/2020/09/john ... rsley.html
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billy.pilgrim wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:49 pm
For a second I was pissed at Alabama, then I remembered it could have been the same here in Florida

https://www.al.com/opinion/2020/09/john ... rsley.html
That sucks. :(

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Hundreds of bags of cannabis fell from the sky in Israel, dropped by a 'green drone' on a Tel Aviv square

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... Dozens of surprised people rushed out into the busy street to collect the packets, which were dropped by a group called "Green Drone," according to the Jerusalem Post.

Green Drone advocates for the legalization of marijuana in Israel, where the substance is still largely illegal, except in certain medical situations.

Just before the drop, the group posted a message on the messaging app Telegram, warning of what they were about to do.

"It's time my dear brothers. Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No, it's the green drone, handing out free cannabis from the sky... Enjoy my beloved brothers, this is your pilot brother, making sure we all get some free love," the message read.

The Jerusalem Post said that the police arrested two people suspected of operating the drone, and said that they were being interrogated.

However, Green Drone has promised to continue dropping a kilo of marijuana a week, over different parts of the country.

Israeli legislators are currently debating one bill that would decriminalize cannabis and another that would legalize it for adult use, according to the website Marijuana Moment.
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This program should become a first step in finally resolving the Israel / Palestinian issue.

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This program should become a first step in finally resolving the Israel / Palestinian issue.
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Vrede too wrote:
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This program should become a first step in finally resolving the Israel / Palestinian issue.
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It is written: Ganja from Heaven.
A literal green new deal. Bully! With this new diplomatic gesture along with the universal general ban on pork chops shared among the parties, I feel it's a significant step in the right direction. We'll see.

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A literal green new deal. Bully! With this new diplomatic gesture along with the universal general ban on pork chops shared among the parties, I feel it's a significant step in the right direction. We'll see.
Speaking of that:
Biden says drug users should not be jailed as he admits crime bill was a mistake at town hall

When asked whether it was a mistake to support a 1994 law that set harsher penalties for drug possession, Joe Biden agreed that it was, as he outlined a vision for community-driven police reform and stressed that drug users should be rehabilitated, not imprisoned.

“I don’t believe anyone should be going to drug courts for drug use,” the Democratic presidential candidate said during a town hall on ABC....
Whoa, that's about as radical a view as I've heard any pol express, let alone a major POTUS candidate.

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Vrede too wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:32 am
neoplacebo wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 6:51 pm
A literal green new deal. Bully! With this new diplomatic gesture along with the universal general ban on pork chops shared among the parties, I feel it's a significant step in the right direction. We'll see.
Speaking of that:
Biden says drug users should not be jailed as he admits crime bill was a mistake at town hall

When asked whether it was a mistake to support a 1994 law that set harsher penalties for drug possession, Joe Biden agreed that it was, as he outlined a vision for community-driven police reform and stressed that drug users should be rehabilitated, not imprisoned.

“I don’t believe anyone should be going to drug courts for drug use,” the Democratic presidential candidate said during a town hall on ABC....
Whoa, that's about as radical a view as I've heard any pol express, let alone a major POTUS candidate.

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If I remember right, this whole "crime bill" came about as a knee jerk (and racist) reaction to the crack cocaine prevalence among inner city blacks during that time period. The penalties for crack cocaine, which presumably was a "black" problem. were made to be draconian while the sentencing guides for powder cocaine did not change during the same time period.

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neoplacebo wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:01 am
If I remember right, this whole "crime bill" came about as a knee jerk (and racist) reaction to the crack cocaine prevalence among inner city blacks during that time period. The penalties for crack cocaine, which presumably was a "black" problem. were made to be draconian while the sentencing guides for powder cocaine did not change during the same time period.
True, it was fucked up. I was referring to decriminalizing all drug use, though.
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neoplacebo wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:01 am
If I remember right, this whole "crime bill" came about as a knee jerk (and racist) reaction to the crack cocaine prevalence among inner city blacks during that time period. The penalties for crack cocaine, which presumably was a "black" problem. were made to be draconian while the sentencing guides for powder cocaine did not change during the same time period.
True, it was fucked up. I was referring to decriminalizing all drug use, though.
Yes, it was a monumental statement as well as an acceptance of reality. But as we all know, there's no ONE person who can make this happen. Even if the feds decriminalize ALL drug use, the states could still negate this couldn't they?

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Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:22 am
Yes, it was a monumental statement as well as an acceptance of reality. But as we all know, there's no ONE person who can make this happen. Even if the feds decriminalize ALL drug use, the states could still negate this couldn't they?
Sadly yes, but federal drug laws are often harsher than state ones and it would be a huge step to remove federal resources from prohibition enforcement. I think some states would follow the feds and others would join in if it's successful.
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Where recreational marijuana is legal, data show minimal impacts on teen use and traffic deaths

Wait, the cops and other self-serving prohibitionists were lying all along? Say it ain't so. Maybe they were all drunk.
... In Arizona, recreational legalization is on the ballot this fall. Supporters say the best way to mitigate impacts on society are to license and regulate the industry, funneling some of the new tax revenue back into programs to reduce usage by young people and combat impaired driving.

The state's legislation would allow people 21 and older to possess one ounce of marijuana, not more than 5 grams of which can be a concentrated form of the drug. Adults also could grow six plants each in their homes, and the measure would license about 160 retailers to sell the drug.

South Dakota, New Jersey and Montana voters have similar measures on their ballots.

In Arizona, the proposed legislation also includes the ability for people previously convicted of minor marijuana crimes to have their records expunged, and changes requirements for law enforcement to cite drivers for operating a vehicle under the influence....
8-) :thumbup:

Any predictions? I'll go with passage in New Jersey, Montana and Arizona, in that descending margin order . . . and failure in South Dakota, maybe.
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Where recreational marijuana is legal, data show minimal impacts on teen use and traffic deaths

Wait, the cops and other self-serving prohibitionists were lying all along? Say it ain't so. Maybe they were all drunk.
... In Arizona, recreational legalization is on the ballot this fall. Supporters say the best way to mitigate impacts on society are to license and regulate the industry, funneling some of the new tax revenue back into programs to reduce usage by young people and combat impaired driving.

The state's legislation would allow people 21 and older to possess one ounce of marijuana, not more than 5 grams of which can be a concentrated form of the drug. Adults also could grow six plants each in their homes, and the measure would license about 160 retailers to sell the drug.

South Dakota, New Jersey and Montana voters have similar measures on their ballots.

In Arizona, the proposed legislation also includes the ability for people previously convicted of minor marijuana crimes to have their records expunged, and changes requirements for law enforcement to cite drivers for operating a vehicle under the influence....
8-) :thumbup:

Any predictions? I'll go with passage in New Jersey, Montana and Arizona, in that descending margin order . . . and failure in South Dakota, maybe.
I'll go out on a limb and predict it passes in all cases. Maybe the hippies of the 60's were right all along; drugs will bring us together. :thumbup:

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Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:51 am
I'll go out on a limb and predict it passes in all cases. Maybe the hippies of the 60's were right all along; drugs will bring us together. :thumbup:
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:lol: I guessed correctly. Skip to 3:00 if you just can't wait to find out . . . or take some tokes and chill out, dudes.
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neoplacebo wrote:
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... In Arizona, recreational legalization is on the ballot this fall....

South Dakota, New Jersey and Montana voters have similar measures on their ballots....
8-) :thumbup:

Any predictions? I'll go with passage in New Jersey, Montana and Arizona, in that descending margin order . . . and failure in South Dakota, maybe.
I'll go out on a limb and predict it passes in all cases. Maybe the hippies of the 60's were right all along; drugs will bring us together. :thumbup:
You were correct! I was close on the margins order, reversing Arizona and Montana.

New Jersey 66.90%
Arizona 59.84%
Montana 56.72%
South Dakota 53.41%

Also, Mississippi Medical Marijuana 67.89%

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Vrede too wrote:
Wed Nov 04, 2020 7:55 pm
neoplacebo wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:51 am
Vrede too wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:38 am
... In Arizona, recreational legalization is on the ballot this fall....

South Dakota, New Jersey and Montana voters have similar measures on their ballots....
8-) :thumbup:

Any predictions? I'll go with passage in New Jersey, Montana and Arizona, in that descending margin order . . . and failure in South Dakota, maybe.
I'll go out on a limb and predict it passes in all cases. Maybe the hippies of the 60's were right all along; drugs will bring us together. :thumbup:
You were correct! I was close on the margins order, reversing Arizona and Montana.

New Jersey 66.90%
Arizona 59.84%
Montana 56.72%
South Dakota 53.41%

Also, Mississippi Medical Marijuana 67.89%

8-) :!: 8-) :!: 8-) :!: 8-) :!: 8-) :!:
Well, going out on a limb doesn't always work out but this time it did. And if those nabobs in MS would put down their snakes and Confederate flags and loosen up on trumpism they, too, may eventually become enlightened. But I won't go out on a limb for them.

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