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Re: Evil Obamacare

Unread post by Boatrocker » Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:51 am

Vrede too wrote:
Vrede too wrote:
O Really wrote:I think he was referring to the current "Obamacare," which of course is no longer a bill, but he was saying Obamacare isn't theirs and "the Democrats own it." Still stupid ...
Does he really think that we won't know that he and extremist HHS secretary Tom Price are administering it?
How Republicans can hobble Obamacare even without repeal
Doing most of that sort of damage administratively will still be something the repugs and/or the trumphole will have to do with full knowledge and malice aforethought so, hopefully, it can still be hung around their necks if we keep the heat on.
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Re: Evil Obamacare

Unread post by Vrede too » Mon Mar 27, 2017 11:57 am

It'll be an ongoing debate and source of obfuscation - which flaws are inherent to Obamacare and which are the result of Trump/GOP sabotage? Clearly, improvements to Obamacare, which it does need, aren't even on the table. :(
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Re: Evil Obamacare

Unread post by rstrong » Wed Mar 29, 2017 11:52 am

Just to show how proper insurance makes a difference:
Canadians living with cystic fibrosis lived on average 10 years longer than Americans with the same disease, in part because of the very different healthcare systems in the two countries, the study found.
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US patients with private insurance had a similar life expectancy as their Canadian counterparts, whereas Canadians had a 44% lower death rate than Americans on Medicaid. The uninsured fared the worst - Canadians had a 77% lower death rate than Americans who had no insurance at all.
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"In Canada, I make clinical decisions. I look at their case and I decide whether or not they would benefit from meeting with me. There, the decision is driven by their insurance," she says.

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Re: Evil Obamacare

Unread post by Boatrocker » Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:26 pm

rstrong wrote:Just to show how proper insurance makes a difference:
Canadians living with cystic fibrosis lived on average 10 years longer than Americans with the same disease, in part because of the very different healthcare systems in the two countries, the study found.
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US patients with private insurance had a similar life expectancy as their Canadian counterparts, whereas Canadians had a 44% lower death rate than Americans on Medicaid. The uninsured fared the worst - Canadians had a 77% lower death rate than Americans who had no insurance at all.
[...]
"In Canada, I make clinical decisions. I look at their case and I decide whether or not they would benefit from meeting with me. There, the decision is driven by their insurance," she says.
Now, that kinda shit's jus un-Murkan!
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Re: Evil Obamacare

Unread post by rstrong » Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:54 pm

Boatrocker wrote:Now, that kinda shit's jus un-Murkan!
Those who can afford to pay, get proper healthcare. Sounds pretty 'Murkan to me.

Or to be more accurate, given that Americans pay more TAXES per capita for healthcare than Canadians, "Those who can afford to pay a second time get proper healthcare."

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Re: Evil Obamacare

Unread post by Boatrocker » Wed Mar 29, 2017 2:32 pm

rstrong wrote:
Boatrocker wrote:Now, that kinda shit's jus un-Murkan!
Those who can afford to pay, get proper healthcare. Sounds pretty 'Murkan to me.

Or to be more accurate, given that Americans pay more TAXES per capita for healthcare than Canadians, "Those who can afford to pay a second time get proper healthcare."
Fuggin commie canucks . . . .
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Re: Evil Obamacare

Unread post by Vrede too » Fri Mar 31, 2017 11:11 am

Stand with Sen. Sanders: We need Medicare for All.

Petition to Congress:

"The problems with American health care are caused by predatory insurance companies and monopolies, not the Affordable Care Act. It's time to expand the most popular and efficient health care program in the country by passing legislation to provide Medicare to all Americans."
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Re: Evil Obamacare

Unread post by BMW/M » Tue May 02, 2017 5:01 pm

So much winning...

House Republicans floundering on Obamacare repeal

Nearly 20 Republicans have announced their opposition, leaving virtually no room for error.


House Republicans and the White House kicked off the week thinking they’d finally pass their Obamacare repeal bill. By Tuesday morning, their legislation was once again on life support.

Key GOP leadership allies are dropping their support, sending Speaker Paul Ryan and his team, as well as the Trump administration, into full-fledged damage-control mode. In one sign of the their desperation, leaders agreed to consider additional changes to win more support, after telling rank-and-file members all week they were finished tweaking the bill.


http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/0 ... tes-237871

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Re: Evil Obamacare

Unread post by Vrede too » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:13 pm

So, I did quit my job. I'm old enough to call myself retired, but will get a new job in a few months. Reported the income change to Obamacare - my monthly premium's going down by over $1000 and my deductible is going down by $1500.

Holy crap. Thank you, Obama!
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Re: Evil Obamacare

Unread post by k9nanny » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:49 pm

You were paying 1000+ for BCBS?
Wow- I thought k9daddy had it bad at 900 w/5000 deductible.

You should have no problem finding a job whenever you're ready.
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Re: Evil Obamacare

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Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:13 pm
So, I did quit my job. I'm old enough to call myself retired, but will get a new job in a few months. Reported the income change to Obamacare - my monthly premium's going down by over $1000 and my deductible is going down by $1500.

Holy crap. Thank you, Obama!
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Re: Evil Obamacare

Unread post by Vrede too » Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:05 pm

k9nanny wrote:
Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:49 pm
... You should have no problem finding a job whenever you're ready.
Yeah, won't be an issue anywhere I want to be. May do some travel nursing to help figure that out.
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Re: Evil Obamacare

Unread post by billy.pilgrim » Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:06 am

Vrede too wrote:
Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:13 pm
So, I did quit my job. I'm old enough to call myself retired, but will get a new job in a few months. Reported the income change to Obamacare - my monthly premium's going down by over $1000 and my deductible is going down by $1500.

Holy crap. Thank you, Obama!

Be careful not to get kicked off for not making enough to qualify.
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Re: Evil Obamacare

Unread post by Vrede too » Tue Jul 25, 2017 6:41 pm

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Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:06 am
Be careful not to get kicked off for not making enough to qualify.
This year's covered from what I already made. I'll be working again next year.
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Re: Evil Obamacare

Unread post by k9nanny » Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:49 pm

Besides, there's always Medicaid.
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Re: Evil Obamacare

Unread post by Vrede too » Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:32 pm

k9nanny wrote:
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Besides, there's always Medicaid.
Not for me, they look at assets.
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Re: Evil Obamacare

Unread post by billy.pilgrim » Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:26 am

Vrede too wrote:
Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:32 pm
k9nanny wrote:
Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:49 pm
Besides, there's always Medicaid.
Not for me, they look at assets.

My Medicaid experience

The first year of the aca the website would not include my 19 year old live at home full time student on our family policy. The website said that he had to be on Medicaid. We called and appealed with no change.

I wanted him to be able to keep his doctor so I bought him an individual bcbs policy outside the marketplace while we continued to try to get him on our policy.

Then came time to go to the doctor. Doc explained that as long as my son qualified for Medicaid that he had to use Medicaid. He said and others confirmed that he couldn't even take a cash payment.

So we sent the kid 30 miles to a Medicaid doctor - no appointments - walk-in only. He got there at 1 and at 3:30 they told him that there were too many people in front of him to be seen that day. Next day he got in the line at 9 and saw the doctor at 2.

It took 11 months of hard work and senator Nelson's office to get my son onto the family policy.

My impression is that Medicaid isn't for people who work.
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Re: Evil Obamacare

Unread post by Vrede too » Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:20 am

billy.pilgrim wrote:
Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:26 am
Vrede too wrote:
Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:32 pm
Not for me, they look at assets.
... My impression is that Medicaid isn't for people who work.
Maybe I'm wrong. It looks here like it's just income based (regardless of employment), though it varies somewhat from state to state and depending on whether the state signed up for ACA Medicaid expansion.

Medicaid: Eligibility and benefits
Medicaid expansion

No matter, I don't expect to qualify before I'm eligible for Medicare.
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Re: Evil Obamacare

Unread post by billy.pilgrim » Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:59 am

Vrede too wrote:
Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:20 am
billy.pilgrim wrote:
Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:26 am
Vrede too wrote:
Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:32 pm
Not for me, they look at assets.
... My impression is that Medicaid isn't for people who work.
Maybe I'm wrong. It looks here like it's just income based (regardless of employment), though it varies somewhat from state to state and depending on whether the state signed up for ACA Medicaid expansion.

Medicaid: Eligibility and benefits
Medicaid expansion

No matter, I don't expect to qualify before I'm eligible for Medicare.

I was clumsily trying to say that a working person who qualifies for Medicaid does not have the option to spend two days sitting in a waiting room - as my son had to do in order to see a doctor.
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Re: Evil Obamacare

Unread post by Vrede too » Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:16 am

Ah. It's more work to be poor than privileged people realize.

When I've needed a new MD or dentist I've called around and asked if they accept new Medicaid patients. When told 'No', I've politely told them that I'm not on Medicaid but I don't accept new providers that don't take Medicaid. Some receptionists have gotten quite offended with me.
It really is time to stop being nice about stupidity.

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