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Re: Traveling

Unread post by O Really » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:49 pm

Vrede too wrote:
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Today we rode about 20 of the 72 miles of Trail of the Coeur D'Alenes
https://parksandrecreation.idaho.gov/pa ... r-d-alenes

We've been on a lot of rail/trails and this is one of the best. Light traffic, good trailhead and turnout facilities, well-maintained surface, beautiful country with river, lakes, marshland, forest, mountains. Saw eagles, otters, muskrats, beavers, deer, moose, lots of birds including trumpeter swans, and no nazis.
That's an amazing array.

It was indeed. We actually saw the eagles from the car in a place where the road was on a hillside and the treetops weren't that far away. Eagle swooped by so close you could see its face. Big surprise was the moose, toward the end of the day just wandering out from the woods. River and lakes were just full of water creatures.

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Unread post by neoplacebo » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:29 pm

Photos from the National Geographic photo contest. Good stuff.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/national-geo ... 59960.html

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Re: Traveling

Unread post by O Really » Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:56 am

If the expected weather holds up, we'll be taking a road trip for a few days in Kelowna,BC.

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We're finding that except for winter (a big except, unfortunately), there really isn't any reason to leave Canada. Some things are expensive - cell service, med insurance if you're not on Canada Medicare, gas - currently over $5US - but most everything else is reasonable - and everything can be bought in $CAN converted dollars or with a US-based Canadian credit card that, with the exchange rate, costs about 30% less.

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Re: Traveling

Unread post by Whack9 » Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:48 am

It's no secret, and it's been said before, but traveling to new places really does open the mind. Ive met a lot of people who've barely ever left the upstate, let alone the region. I know a few who live less than a mile from where they were born and grew up. Not that there's anything wrong with this.

I think shuffling back and forth to other places jolts you out of the habits and norms implicit to wherever you live. Stuff that you gradually become accustomed to to the point where you don't really notice them anymore and just kind of accept them as fact and "how things are done".

Whenever I bounce out of the south for a bit then return I notice patterns here that I wouldn't have really noticed otherwise. Also, patterns in myself. Same for when I return back to my home state.

Really helps in keeping your outlook on life malleable. Keeps you from getting stuck in a routine.

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Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:48 am
It's no secret, and it's been said before, but traveling to new places really does open the mind. Ive met a lot of people who've barely ever left the upstate, let alone the region. I know a few who live less than a mile from where they were born and grew up. Not that there's anything wrong with this.

I think shuffling back and forth to other places jolts you out of the habits and norms implicit to wherever you live. Stuff that you gradually become accustomed to to the point where you don't really notice them anymore and just kind of accept them as fact and "how things are done".

Whenever I bounce out of the south for a bit then return I notice patterns here that I wouldn't have really noticed otherwise. Also, patterns in myself. Same for when I return back to my home state.

Really helps in keeping your outlook on life malleable. Keeps you from getting stuck in a routine.
Yes, very much so. I can remember being ashamed to be an American after spending time in places in Southeast Asia where I could recognize that the policies of our country were not necessarily good for the people in those countries. It was a humbling experience. Other humbling experiences included visiting a 900 year old Buddhist temple and drinking from the natural spring that was on the grounds and being able to hear the ancient bells tone when it's struck by a wooden log. Just the aura of the place was overwhelming for me.

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Re: Traveling

Unread post by O Really » Thu Jun 27, 2019 4:04 pm

You get a lot more value by spending your money on experiences instead of stuff.

But the broadening experience of travel doesn't always work on everybody. They spend their time whining about how everything is better "back home" and nobody knows how to cook here and there's no McDonald's or the bagels are awful or it's too hot/cold or whatever. There's a lot to be learned, but you have to be willing to learn it.

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Unread post by O Really » Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:13 pm

Some things I've picked up being a seasonal Canadian -

A lot of Americans act like Canada is just another US state. It's not, and it's insulting to act like it is, and especially if the American is saying that as a compliment.

Americans often expect Canadian businesses to take US dollars. In some touristy areas they will, but generally just take USD at even value, costing the uninformed American about 30%.

Canadians really do have a culture of politeness, and a typical American acting in typical American ways sticks out like a sore thumb. Tourists should quickly pick up the habit of saying "Sorry" - and it's pronounced "Sore-y"

American tourists often bitch about distances and speed limits in Kilometres, weights in grams, temperatures in Celsius, and labels/signs in both English and French. See comment 1, above.

Being familiar with Celsius really does take a while though. I've found it easier to just go with benchmarks: 10c is chilly/light jacket; 20c is comfortable warm; 30c is hot. Just estimate the parts in between.

It's discouraging to calculate the price per gallon of gas. It always ends with "holy shit!" Just go with the litre price and don't look at the total.

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Re: Traveling

Unread post by neoplacebo » Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:21 pm

O Really wrote:
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You get a lot more value by spending your money on experiences instead of stuff.

But the broadening experience of travel doesn't always work on everybody. They spend their time whining about how everything is better "back home" and nobody knows how to cook here and there's no McDonald's or the bagels are awful or it's too hot/cold or whatever. There's a lot to be learned, but you have to be willing to learn it.
Yeah, it's weird that a lot of folks frame everything they're exposed to in a way that they compare to what they consider normal instead of looking at it in a different way and perhaps getting so;me insight. But I suppose it's a natural primitive instinctual sort of twisted self preservation sort of thing; predates electricity and most languages.

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Unread post by O Really » Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:35 pm

You're comfortable with what is familiar, sure, but that doesn't mean it's better than some alternative. Try the strange-looking local food. I ate sheep eyeball once so as not to offend my hosts. Didn't like it, but it makes a fun story. Florida bumper sticker (real) "We don't care how you did it up North"

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Re: Traveling

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O Really wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 4:04 pm
You get a lot more value by spending your money on experiences instead of stuff.

But the broadening experience of travel doesn't always work on everybody. They spend their time whining about how everything is better "back home" and nobody knows how to cook here and there's no McDonald's or the bagels are awful or it's too hot/cold or whatever. There's a lot to be learned, but you have to be willing to learn it.
All inclusive resorts in places like the DR or Mexico. Seems like a wasted opportunity if you're barricaded in a walled off enclave. I understand you dont go to experience a foreign culture, you go to be catered to. But still, seems like a lost opportunity. You're essentially spending your holiday in a bubble. On the flip side, there's a time and a place for everything and sometimes you just wanna take it easy.

You know what man, it sucks that traveling is off limits to a lot of people due to financial reasons. But I firmly believe that many people can come close to the experience through literature. It's accessible to everyone provided they can read. I think one of the few ways you can really get the feel for a foreign culture without actually traveling there. It helps you get a feel for a cultures soul.

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Re: Traveling

Unread post by O Really » Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:18 pm

Not everybody can go to Europe or do a US Tour de Parks, but travel doesn't have to be distant. People can cultivate an attitude of exploration, taking what trips might be available, even if they're less than 50 miles. Lots of people don't even bother to find out what's around them.

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Re: Traveling

Unread post by Whack9 » Fri Jul 05, 2019 9:41 am

Western Begpackers in southeast Asia drawing the ire of some:

https://www.boredpanda.com/begpackers-t ... BPFacebook

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Re: Traveling

Unread post by Vrede too » Fri Jul 05, 2019 11:36 am

Whack9 wrote:
Fri Jul 05, 2019 9:41 am
Western Begpackers in southeast Asia drawing the ire of some:

https://www.boredpanda.com/begpackers-t ... BPFacebook
Disgusting.
... I have yet to see a darker shade of white.
Great line!

Real beggars. I thought the article was going to be about:

Ice Cream Truck Owner's New Rule: Instagram Influencers Pay Double

At least influencers claim to be selling something of equal value.
It really is time to stop being nice about stupidity.

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