Vrede too wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:31 amOnly slaver/traitor lovers would be f@cking stupid enough to start and utterly lose street battles over pathetic participation trophies from a civil war they also got crushed in, instead of just holding bake sales, clearing the junk from in front of their trailers and putting their pathetic participation trophies on private land rather than sponging off we decent Americans.FTFY.911, what’s your emergency?
Someone moved my pathetic participation trophies.Or add statues/plaques/whatever to put into context the fact that no matter how great these men were as individuals, they acted in service to what was NOT a great and "Noble Cause". That's what the crybaby bigots are really terrified of, not "losing history" but rather it being related accurately for future generations of ALL colors.billy.pilgrim wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:49 amI use to feel the same way - it's just a goddamn historical statue.
I was wrong.
I still believe that the men themselves were "great men" in the general sense that we acknowledge a man as great, but that has nothing to do with why the statues were erected (Jim crow), or what a large percentage of our citizenry sees when they walk through these public spaces.
Put them in museums with descriptions of the men themselves and with additional descriptions of why the statues were erected and why they were taken down.
Statues come and go - remember all the fake fanfare when we pulled down Saddam's statue?
I think you either misunderstand patriotism or are trying to inject 21th century understandings on 19th century people.
The South did secede largely because of slavery, but the War, from the North’s (invader) side, was much more about secession.
I can almost imagine the results of the poll question – do you support freeing all slaves? – probably wouldn’t have met with overwhelming support in New York or Chicago. And imagine that the results would have been even less if the question had included – if it means raising your taxes, or if it means your city will experience an influx of these black people and just imagine how low the polling would have been if the question included – if you or your sons had to fight and risk death.