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Re: The Global Warming thread.

Unread post by Vrede too » Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:13 pm

Thunder and lightning in February - really? :crazy:
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Unread post by neoplacebo » Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:27 pm

I just saw a story that the Trump administration is establishing a climate change panel but the guy who is to head it up is apparently a climate change skeptic......perfect. He only hires the smartest people, you know.

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Unread post by Vrede too » Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:40 am

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Unread post by Vrede too » Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:45 am

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Wow. Donald Trump just tweeted what might be his most outrageous statement on climate denial ever. What’s worse, he dragged Greenpeace into it!

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Here’s the deal. Since Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez released the visionary resolution for Green New Deal, the response from right-wing climate deniers has been ludicrous. Just this morning, Patrick Moore — a paid polluter lobbyist who falsely claims to be a founder of Greenpeace — went on Fox and Friends to spew lies about the climate crisis and bash the Green New Deal.

President Trump was quick to tweet his agreement. But, we know better.

We need to jump on this media moment right now to call out Trump, resist climate denial and build real climate leadership to replace Trump in 2020.

Tell all Democratic candidates running for president in 2020 to do everything in their power to support a Green New Deal and phase out fossil fuels now.

You know how urgent this is. For every minute we spend on distractions and climate denial, the future of humanity loses time on finding real solutions. We’re already on borrowed time.

We need to stop lobbyists and politicians bankrolled by fossil fuel money from using their platforms to bully brave and bold leaders like Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. We need real climate leadership right now!

The Green New Deal is more than just a response to an environmental threat — it’s a vision for the future of this country that puts people and communities first. And, it’s just plain common sense. A poll was recently released showing strong bipartisan support for a Green New Deal among registered voters, including 64% of Republicans.

In fact, we think federal climate policy should go even further in confronting the fossil fuel industry for its polluting practices and its decades of obstructing climate action. This is a fight we can win, but I need your help to make that happen.

The countdown is on. Let’s go all in for #Climate2020 and demand presidential candidates tackle this climate crisis head-on.

Thanks for all you do,

Janet Redman
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In 2007 Patrick Moore and I had an email argument. Looks like he's now an :lol: :lol: :lol: AGW denier :lol: :lol: :lol: , but this was back when he was shilling for nuclear power by claiming that it's greenhouse gas free, which is a flat out lie when one looks at its full life cycle impacts. He is surprisingly lousy at debate and every bit the asshole that you might imagine him to be, a perfect fit for Faux Noise and POSPOTUS.
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Unread post by Vrede too » Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:00 pm

Tell Green New Deal Co-Sponsors: Show Real Climate Leadership and Sign the No Fossil Fuel Money Pledge

I have not been signing these petitions. While the pledge might help some candidates, for others such self-imposed restrictions can be political suicide. I applaud those that pledge, but would rather hold ALL pols accountable for voting with fossil fuels or against real campaign finance reform, while seeing as many as possible that will vote correctly get elected.

What do you think?
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Unread post by neoplacebo » Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:29 pm

I think campaign finance reform meaning the elimination of any and all special interest money in the political sphere should be the goal. I don't sign any of those things either mostly to dodge unwanted contacts or mailings or surveillance. I hate that shit.

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Unread post by Vrede too » Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:49 pm

neoplacebo wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:29 pm
I think campaign finance reform meaning the elimination of any and all special interest money in the political sphere should be the goal. I don't sign any of those things either mostly to dodge unwanted contacts or mailings or surveillance. I hate that shit.
It's always easy to unsubscribe. No public interest group wants to piss you off - especially you ;) - with unwanted email.
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Unread post by O Really » Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:54 pm

Campaigns are expensive. Money has to come from somewhere. I'm all for limits on corporations/organizations/PACs, etc., but bottom line is that either contributions are allowed or campaigns have to be publicly funded. And that has its own issues in how to you select who is a real and viable candidate.

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Re: The Global Warming thread.

Unread post by neoplacebo » Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:48 pm

Vrede too wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:49 pm
neoplacebo wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:29 pm
I think campaign finance reform meaning the elimination of any and all special interest money in the political sphere should be the goal. I don't sign any of those things either mostly to dodge unwanted contacts or mailings or surveillance. I hate that shit.
It's always easy to unsubscribe. No public interest group wants to piss you off - especially you ;) - with unwanted email.
Ahhhh, I don't know, man. The idea of "unsubscribe" is sort of like forgetting something you saw or did....you can never unsubscribe. Once you've been classified in somebody's system you will always be there.

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Re: The Global Warming thread.

Unread post by neoplacebo » Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:57 pm

O Really wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:54 pm
Campaigns are expensive. Money has to come from somewhere. I'm all for limits on corporations/organizations/PACs, etc., but bottom line is that either contributions are allowed or campaigns have to be publicly funded. And that has its own issues in how to you select who is a real and viable candidate.
But campaigns shouldn't be expensive; we've been conditioned to accept that they are.....each election cycle reveals record "expenditures" over any other cycle. I say it's all bullshit....if unlimited special interest money were banned, and only voters in the particular voting district could contribute to candidates, I think a hell of a lot things would change. For statewide elections, all residents of the state could contribute. No entity, such as corporations, unions, special interests, etc not listed on voter registration rolls as an eligible voter would be able to contribute money to any candidate.

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Re: The Global Warming thread.

Unread post by O Really » Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:13 pm

A member of Congress may theoretically "represent" only the people in his/her own district, but their actions or lack thereof can affect everybody. It would make sense to me to set a top dollar limit on spending for any given race by each candidate and that's all they can spend no matter where they got the money from. Even then, however, enforcing those limits might be difficult. Shortening the campaign period could help.

The Canadian plan may not be perfect, but works better than in US:
https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/ ... -financing

England cuts out some money, but is overly complex:
https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/ ... al-parties

But still, no need to re-invent the wheel over campaign financing - pretty much everybody does it better than US.

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