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billy.pilgrim wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:16 am
I believe that I heard Martha Stewart say, "lock him up."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html
:lol: Your lawbreaking drunken Rep - perpetually meek towards criminal 45SHOLE - is beating up my lawbreaking insider trading Sen. and his meek colleague.

Gaetz Slams Thom Tillis for ‘Low-Energy’ Response to Insider Trading Allegation against Fellow N.C. Senator

I am fine with this. I laid in a CV-19 supply of popcorn.
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Fri Mar 20, 2020 3:37 pm
billy.pilgrim wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:16 am
I believe that I heard Martha Stewart say, "lock him up."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html
:lol: Your lawbreaking drunken Rep - perpetually meek towards criminal 45SHOLE - is beating up my lawbreaking insider trading Sen. and his meek colleague.

Gaetz Slams Thom Tillis for ‘Low-Energy’ Response to Insider Trading Allegation against Fellow N.C. Senator

I am fine with this. I laid in a CV-19 supply of popcorn.

Why no talk of them being arrested?

I know more evidence is needed beforean actual arrest, but a little talk would sure put some distance to the idea that senators don't have to follow the law.

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billy.pilgrim wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 6:12 pm
Why no talk of them being arrested?

I know more evidence is needed beforean actual arrest, but a little talk would sure put some distance to the idea that senators don't have to follow the law.
Trying to give a nonpartisan answer, don't expect it often :D -

Insider trading is difficult to prove, even when results make it obvious what occurred. One would hope that the SEC and other authorities will investigate, but that will take awhile. In normal times Senate ethics investigation, rebuke and even expulsion, all with a lower hurdle to scale than criminal conviction might be more likely, but with this Repug Senate who knows?

Gaetz speaking out so early is a bit of a hopeful sign, not because anyone respects him but rather because it might indicate other outraged Repugs.
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billy.pilgrim wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 6:12 pm
Why no talk of them being arrested?

I know more evidence is needed beforean actual arrest, but a little talk would sure put some distance to the idea that senators don't have to follow the law.
Trying to give a nonpartisan answer, don't expect it often :D -

Insider trading is difficult to prove, even when results make it obvious what occurred. One would hope that the SEC and other authorities will investigate, but that will take awhile. In normal times Senate ethics investigation, rebuke and even expulsion, all with a lower hurdle to scale than criminal conviction might be more likely, but with this Repug Senate who knows?

Gaetz speaking out so early is a bit of a hopeful sign, not because anyone respects him but rather because it might indicate other outraged Repugs.

I would think that telling friends and donors on tape to take extreme measures, selling his own stock and then telling the citizens that it's no big deal speaks clearly about his motive.

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As far as I know, nobody was ever convicted of insider trading without someone else involved in it being given immunity to testify to what happened. Isn't that how Martha Stewart was convicted?

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neoplacebo wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:24 am
As far as I know, nobody was ever convicted of insider trading without someone else involved in it being given immunity to testify to what happened. Isn't that how Martha Stewart was convicted?
I believe that you are correct.

Wonder how the 2 senators would fare before a jury after watching their savings disappear.

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billy.pilgrim wrote:
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neoplacebo wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:24 am
As far as I know, nobody was ever convicted of insider trading without someone else involved in it being given immunity to testify to what happened. Isn't that how Martha Stewart was convicted?
I believe that you are correct.

Wonder how the 2 senators would fare before a jury after watching their savings disappear.
As a juror in this case. I would not be very sympathetic. And from the ABC and CBS news stories I've seen about this, both these Senators say they are not "directly involved" in sales or purchases of stock but instead rely on "advisers" to make those decisions. I do not believe this for one second. If someone other than me decided out of the blue to sell 2 or 3 million dollars of stock I owned without me knowing about it, I would not like it. And the Senator's explanations make no sense. How would a financial adviser be more informed about the spread of a new and unknown virus than members of the US National Security Council or Senate members of the Intelligence committee? More likely this is what happened; Dick Burr (it hurts) was briefed on this coming crisis, soon thereafter he called his stock broker and told him to sell certain stocks, then Dick Burr (ow!) told his friends and a few other Senators, which caused them to sell also. Guilty. Thirty days in the electric chair.

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And was publicly stating "move along, nothing to see here" so that the greater public wouldn't start selling off before he dumped his.

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billy.pilgrim wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:57 am
I would think that telling friends and donors on tape to take extreme measures, selling his own stock and then telling the citizens that it's no big deal speaks clearly about his motive.
I agree. I would lock at least Burr and the Loefflers up based on what we already know. I'm just saying that criminal prosecutions and ethics inquiries take a bit more rigor than I would apply. We want it done right. Inapt "exoneration" would be terrible.

Very possible unless they are somehow truly innocent are resignations, and those could still happen even if they are magically somehow innocent.
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And was publicly stating "move along, nothing to see here" so that the greater public wouldn't start selling off before he dumped his.
I also condemn all the ones that downplayed the peril, whether their portfolios benefited or not.
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"Tell Trump..." :lol: :lol:

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O Really wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 3:57 pm
"Tell Trump..." :lol: :lol:
"and the federal government"

To be honest, idk if he's committed to bailouts for Big Oil and the fossil fuel industry. Wouldn't surprise me a bit, but I think it's possible that he's still open to influence on the issue.
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Vrede too wrote:
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O Really wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 3:57 pm
"Tell Trump..." :lol: :lol:
"and the federal government"

To be honest, idk if he's committed to bailouts for Big Oil and the fossil fuel industry. Wouldn't surprise me a bit, but I think it's possible that he's still open to influence on the issue.
I'm sure it's apparent by now that Trump is open to influence only in regard to what benefits him. And sometimes, not even that. For example, if he took a back seat to the experts on Coronavirus, he could look like a leader who had assembled a good and competent team. But no - he has to be out front making an idiot of himself, until something goes wrong and then he's there to cast blame. Now, if you could get him thinking that Obama supports and gave bailouts to Big Oil and the fossil fuel industry...

Maybe the petition could be, "Tell Trump what a great job Obama did in bailing out Big Oil and fossil fuels."

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O Really wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:40 pm
O Really wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 3:57 pm
"Tell Trump..." :lol: :lol:
I'm sure it's apparent by now that Trump is open to influence only in regard to what benefits him. And sometimes, not even that. For example, if he took a back seat to the experts on Coronavirus, he could look like a leader who had assembled a good and competent team. But no - he has to be out front making an idiot of himself, until something goes wrong and then he's there to cast blame. Now, if you could get him thinking that Obama supports and gave bailouts to Big Oil and the fossil fuel industry...

Maybe the petition could be, "Tell Trump what a great job Obama did in bailing out Big Oil and fossil fuels."
I can see a need going forward for mass marches and demonstrations against Trump. The virus pandemic will unfortunately provide a cover for such actions to be declared illegal. But good Americans simply cannot allow this fool to remain in office.
Buh-Bye, President Plump...

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Ulysses wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 5:45 pm
O Really wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:40 pm
O Really wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 3:57 pm
"Tell Trump..." :lol: :lol:
I'm sure it's apparent by now that Trump is open to influence only in regard to what benefits him. And sometimes, not even that. For example, if he took a back seat to the experts on Coronavirus, he could look like a leader who had assembled a good and competent team. But no - he has to be out front making an idiot of himself, until something goes wrong and then he's there to cast blame. Now, if you could get him thinking that Obama supports and gave bailouts to Big Oil and the fossil fuel industry...

Maybe the petition could be, "Tell Trump what a great job Obama did in bailing out Big Oil and fossil fuels."
I can see a need going forward for mass marches and demonstrations against Trump. The virus pandemic will unfortunately provide a cover for such actions to be declared illegal. But good Americans simply cannot allow this fool to remain in office.

I don't know, even 10,000 people wearing masks and groves walking 10 feet apart would stretch 33,300 ft. (6 miles) on a two lane road with 3 abreast.

Great theater

Or a vehicle march

Plans need to be creative.


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O Really wrote:
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And was publicly stating "move along, nothing to see here" so that the greater public wouldn't start selling off before he dumped his.
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Any senator who used insider knowledge to make a profit off the coronavirus crisis has no right to hold office. Sen. Richard Burr and other senators who sold off stocks -- while publicly downplaying the threat of COVID-19 -- must be investigated and held accountable.
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Investigate the Trump Administration's Coronavirus Corruption and Mismanagement
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