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Re: Gun Legislation

Unread post by O Really » Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:49 pm

Yep, your regular "good guy with a gun" who numerous people knew to be a nut and nobody could do anything. Heresy to say in the US, I'm sure, but I think there's such a thing as too much "freedom."

After the "thoughts and prayers" who will be the first to suggest that all bank employees go to work armed?

People have kept referring to this as a "senseless killing." But they say they don't know the motive. How do they know it's "senseless"?

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Unread post by Vrede too » Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:59 pm

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Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:49 pm
... After the "thoughts and prayers" who will be the first to suggest that all bank employees go to work armed? ...
Don't know about pols, but was being called for in online forums before the last victim was done bleeding out.
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Re: Gun Legislation

Unread post by O Really » Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:48 pm

So let's see - we've got armed teachers, church people, bank employees, night club employees and attendees, theatre-goers ... any of these people who want everyone to go around armed to the teeth suggest black people should all be armed?

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Unread post by Vrede too » Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:36 pm

O Really wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:48 pm
So let's see - we've got armed teachers, church people, bank employees, night club employees and attendees, theatre-goers ... any of these people who want everyone to go around armed to the teeth suggest black people should all be armed?
I would be happy to cash your retirement check, ma'am. Here . . . BANG . . . Oops, sorry about that.

Police: St. Louis officer killed (by other cop) in accidental shooting

"The only thing that will stop a bad cop with a gun is . . . " Never mind.

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Why is an on duty cop at home? Why is another on duty cop with him? What reason does an off duty (married) female cop have to join them at 1 a.m.? Why is a gun out? Lot's of questions need some answers.
Remember kids: Don't play with guns.
BUT - if you're gonna do it anyway, let these professionals show you how to do it properly ....
"We investigated our officer and found they did nothing wrong ... well except for killing their co-worker", Internal Affairs
So highly trained and vetted officers kill one another but giving teachers guns is a great idea? LOL.
Makes armed teachers really sound like a dumb idea!
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Re: Gun Legislation

Unread post by Vrede too » Fri Jan 25, 2019 12:06 am

O Really wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:49 pm
Yep, your regular "good guy with a gun" who numerous people knew to be a nut and nobody could do anything. Heresy to say in the US, I'm sure, but I think there's such a thing as too much "freedom."

After the "thoughts and prayers" who will be the first to suggest that all bank employees go to work armed?

People have kept referring to this as a "senseless killing." But they say they don't know the motive. How do they know it's "senseless"?
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We keep this up, Mexico WILL pay for the wall...they'll build their own!
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Unread post by Vrede too » Fri Jan 25, 2019 8:17 pm

Thank you for taking the time to write to my office about your thoughts on gun safety.

As Attorney General, my top priority is protecting the people of North Carolina. I will continue to work to protect our communities and ensure the safety of our residents, including from the tragic consequences of gun violence.

In 2018, I asked North Carolina’s Criminal Justice Education and Training Standards Commission to consider mandatory training for school resource officers. This is an important step to help ensure that our school officers have the training and resources necessary to keep our kids safe at school, while also helping them learn life lessons and stay out of trouble. The Commission voted in favor of my request, and this training is currently being developed and implemented.

I am also concerned about unrestricted access to 3D firearms. I filed a lawsuit in 2018 with 10 other attorneys general to keep 3D gun blueprints off the internet. These blueprints would allow any individual to print guns that, while plastic, still have the ability to harm people. These blueprints would also have been available to individuals regardless of their age, criminal history, and mental health. People who used these guns would sidestep state and federal firearm laws and could be a threat to public safety. In response to the lawsuit, a federal judge issued a temporary restraining order preventing the blueprints from being available online....

Sincerely,
Josh Stein
Attorney General of North Carolina
It's not very comforting to learn that there wasn't already mandatory training for school resource officers. I also hope that these are not the only steps that he's considering.
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Unread post by O Really » Fri Jan 25, 2019 9:12 pm

It would be interesting to know what specific training he might have in mind. Seems to me they generally need training on how to differentiate adolescent high schoolers from actual criminals and to respond appropriately.

From the NC Public Schools website...

The roles of a school resource officer (SRO) are identified as law enforcement officer, law-related counselor and law-related education teacher.

The impetus for putting SROs into the schools, of course, revolves around their law enforcement role. Law enforcement defines the training and describes the experience of the police officers and sheriffs' deputies who typically serve as SROs. When asked about the assignment in the schools, SROs indicated that they spend 50 percent of their time on law enforcement duties, including such activities as foot patrols of their school campuses and site inspections to ensure the safety and security of their schools. Reflective of the importance of this role is that 60 percent always wear their law enforcement uniforms and almost all (97 percent) carry their guns while providing service to their schools.

Thirty percent of the SROs' time is spent fulfilling their law-related counseling role. Ninety-eight percent of the SROs who responded said they maintain an "open-door" policy when it comes to interacting with students. This helps them fulfill their law-related counseling role. A modal number of five formal "counseling" sessions per week was identified. Additionally, the SROs indicated that they refer students to other service agencies if additional assistance is needed. Some 94 percent responded that they make referrals to social services, 79 percent to public health agencies, 51 percent to legal aid, and 45 percent to private service agencies.

Twenty percent of the SROs' time is spent on the law-related education teaching role. A median number of two classroom sessions per week was identified by responding SROs. Other research on SROs reveals that these classroom sessions usually cover law-related topics about which many students have great interest.

An important finding in the survey is that these roles appear to evolve as an SRO spends time in his/her school. For those SROs who are newly placed in schools, the role of law enforcement officer takes precedence. As time goes by, this role does not necessarily reduce, but the other roles, specifically that of law-related counselor, become more important. This likely reflects the familiarity and trust that is created through time, particularly if the SRO's assignment in the school is a stable one.

The research based upon what the SROs say themselves certainly indicates that they are doing a lot in the schools where they are present. Through the activities they carry out and the roles they fill, school resource officers become an additional resource to which everyone associated with the school can turn. Those who are familiar with what they are doing see them not only as a resource, but as a fundamental resource which schools will not be able to do without in the future.

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Re: Gun Legislation

Unread post by Vrede too » Sat Jan 26, 2019 9:25 am

Vrede too wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:36 pm
O Really wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:48 pm
So let's see - we've got armed teachers, church people, bank employees, night club employees and attendees, theatre-goers ... any of these people who want everyone to go around armed to the teeth suggest black people should all be armed?
I would be happy to cash your retirement check, ma'am. Here . . . BANG . . . Oops, sorry about that.

Police: St. Louis officer killed (by other cop) in accidental shooting

"The only thing that will stop a bad cop with a gun is . . . " Never mind.
St. Louis cop charged in Russian Roulette shooting death of fellow officer, police say

Both males must have lied at first for Police Commissioner John W. Hayden Jr. to call it an “accidental discharge of the weapon.” Then, one or both got caught in their lies. We may never know if this version is the truth rather than intentional murder.
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Unread post by Vrede too » Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:31 pm

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Unread post by Vrede too » Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:26 pm

H. R. 8

To require a background check for every firearm sale....
House Democrats Pledge Passage Of Expanded Gun Background Checks Bill

... The bill is co-sponsored by Reps. Mike Thompson, D-Calif., and Peter King, R-N.Y., and includes four additional original GOP co-sponsors: Reps. Brian Fitzpatrick of Pennsylvania, Fred Upton of Michigan, Chris Smith of New Jersey and Brian Mast of Florida....

NRA opposition makes it all but certain that the legislation will not clear the Senate or have the support of President Trump, an ally.

Gun safety advocates like Emily Nottingham say the House vote still matters. "It will show us who is with us, and who is against us, and that will help us decide who we are going to support in the next election cycle," Nottingham said at a Tuesday event with gun violence survivors. Nottingham's son Gabe Zimmerman was a former Giffords aide who was shot and killed in the 2011 Tucson shooting.
230 cosponsors now, more than a majority of the House. Going into 2020 it will be good to get 'No' votes on the record for something that even most gun owners support.
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Unread post by Vrede too » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:00 pm

billy.pilgrim wrote:
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heheh, leo may have called me a civil grown-up. that funny
Your Rep. is at it again:

Republican congressman tries to get parent of Parkland shooting victim removed from gun violence hearing

I think my Rep. Meadows, chair of the Freedom* Caucus, might be more evil, but yours is dumber.
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Unread post by Vrede too » Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:41 am

Congress Has Opportunity to Halt Dangerous Firearms Export Changes

... Under the new rules, Congress would lose its ability to provide oversight on many firearms sales. In 2002, Congress amended notifications requirements so it would be informed of potential commercial sales of firearms under USML category I when they were valued at just $1 million, but no such notifications exist for items on the CCL. In recent years, Congressional involvement has helped forestall firearms transfers to repressive forces in Turkey and the Philippines.

At the core of these proposed changes is the mistaken belief that firearms do not merit tighter control because they are neither high-tech nor provide unique military advantages. In reality, they are some of the weapons most often used to commit abuses and extend conflict around the world. These weapons, used in the mass shootings at Sandy Hook, the Pulse nightclub, Las Vegas, and Parkland, are not the commodities that the United States should make easier to export. Exported and trafficked into Mexico and Central America, for example, U.S.-origin small arms are already falling into the hands of human rights abusers and criminal organizations....

A bill introduced Friday by Representative Norma Torres (D-Calif.) and co-sponsored by House Foreign Affairs Chair Elliot Engel (D-N.Y.) and others would simply prohibit the changes.

If not halted or significantly changed, the new rules would continue the cynical approach of the Trump administration to treat weapons as any other trade commodity, threatening to undermine long-term global security and upsetting decades of more responsible U.S. arms transfer policy.
Plus, it will make it easier to kill US soldiers and civilians. One would hope that some Repugs will object to that.
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Unread post by Vrede too » Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:18 am

How we get "responsible gun owners":
Facebook criticised for promoting 'legal loophole' in US gun ownership laws

Facebook has been criticised by a gun safety group for taking millions of dollars in advertising money to promote a legal “loophole” that allows Americans to obtain "concealed carry" weapon permits without any physical training.

The social network's own records show at least $3.7 million has been spent since May advertising the so-called "Virginia loophole".

It enables would-be gun carriers to get permits in a few minutes by answering 10 simple questions on their mobile phone, without ever actually touching a firearm, or meeting an instructor.

A company promoting the controversial scheme has been designated a "political advertiser" by Facebook, and has become the third biggest spender, after Donald Trump and Beto O’Rourke. They are far ahead of other big political advertisers, including Democrat 2020 front-runner Kamala Harris, and the oil giant ExxonMobil....

The situation grew out of the gun-friendly state of Virginia, where it is legal for non-residents to obtain a concealed carry licence by taking a test online.

Due to reciprocity agreements with other states those licences can be obtained by people sitting at computers, or on their smartphones, in 30 other states, around 70 per cent of America.

The rules in their home state may be much more stringent. For example, thousands of people in Texas alone have obtained non-resident Virginia licences, which are then valid in their home state.

Had they sought a Texas licence they would have needed to spend four hours being trained in a classroom, and demonstrate proficiency loading and shooting on a firing range....

With little background gun knowledge The Telegraph passed the test, consisting of 10 multiple choice questions, in a few minutes without even watching the accompanying instruction video.

One of the questions was: "True or false - you should not use drugs or alcohol before or while shooting". A qualification certificate can then be downloaded for a charge of $65 and sent off to Virginia State Police....
I'm less bothered by Facebook's obliviousness or the company advertising on it than I am by the VA law and the 30 states that have reciprocity agreements with it.
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If Guns Made Us Safer, America Would Be The Safest Country In The World.

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Unread post by Vrede too » Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:51 pm

GoCubsGo wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:38 pm
Well, we have fresh thoughts and prayers....
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Since 1968, more than 1.5 million Americans have died in gun-related incidents, which is more than the 1.2 million U.S. service members who've been killed in EVERY WAR COMBINED since the U.S. became a nation. America doesn't have a gun problem, right?
Not verified by me, but the "1.5 million" works out to about 30K per year which I know is currently accurate.

"1.2 million"
Civil War - 600K
WW2 - 200K
Vietnam - 50K
Seems possible that the other wars including WW1 and Korea could add up to the other 350K. If not, the point is even more devastating.
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Vrede too wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:51 pm
GoCubsGo wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:38 pm
Well, we have fresh thoughts and prayers....
Found:
Since 1968, more than 1.5 million Americans have died in gun-related incidents, which is more than the 1.2 million U.S. service members who've been killed in EVERY WAR COMBINED since the U.S. became a nation. America doesn't have a gun problem, right?
Not verified by me, but the "1.5 million" works out to about 30K per year which I know is currently accurate.

"1.2 million"
Civil War - 600K
WW2 - 200K
Vietnam - 50K
Seems possible that the other wars including WW1 and Korea could add up to the other 350K. If not, the point is even more devastating.
You might want to check your numbers, I believe the U.S.deaths in ww2 was about 400,000
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Unread post by Vrede too » Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:21 pm

GoCubsGo wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:13 pm
You might want to check your numbers, I believe the U.S.deaths in ww2 was about 400,000
Of course, that's where memory failed me, thanks. "1.2 million" seems very reasonable now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties
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Unread post by Vrede too » Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:08 pm

(NC) House Bill 86

According to Public Schools First NC it would:

require a permit to buy an assault weapon or long gun;
require a 72-hour waiting period before a purchased firearm can be delivered or otherwise possessed;
prohibit the sale of an assault weapon or long gun to persons under a certain age;
prohibit the sale or possession of a bump stock or trigger crank;
require the safe storage or a firearm;
revise the reciprocity law for a concealed handgun permit;
require reporting of a lost or stolen firearm;
require owners of firearms to carry firearm liability insurance;
limit the size of ammunition magazines.

Probably fail now, but will provide fodder for the 2020 campaigns and the groundwork for 2021 legislation if the NC Dems continue making gains.
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