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Re: Gun Legislation

Unread post by Leo Lyons » Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:16 pm

neoplacebo wrote:
Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:31 pm
Hell, there are plenty of crazy people out there that have nothing to do with drugs or guns and they will sure as hell kill you as any drug crazed gun wielding nutjob.
This is my meaning in "not everyone who receives gun training is of a sound mind; this includes LEO's.
Someone, somewhere, is going to get pissed off over a woman, a car, money, a debt, drug deals gone wrong, etc., etc., etc."
Add plain sheer lunacy to that. (Allowing one's mouth to overload their ass is one common problem that can lead to deadly results.)


Another good example of how legislation causes crime (as in the case of drug prohibition) is the US failed prohibition of alcohol for thirteen years in the early 20th century. It was a miserable failure, widely ignored, and caused a tremendous black market with attendant side effects.....Al Capone, Lucky Luciano, etc. The prohibition on drugs has created El Chapo and many lesser fools that wouldn't exist were it not for the US stupid policies about drugs.
Legalizing or regulating drugs (or guns) is not going to eliminate the problems caused by drugs or guns; it may ease some of the social problems that each cause; but if someone wants illegal drugs or a gun, they're going to get it, and there's always someone who has the capability to supply that demand. Looking again at the failed prohibition of alcohol; just because total prohibition didn't work is no reason to believe that easing of laws prohibiting drugs will work if they're regulated like alcohol. Stricter regulations on guns will not keep guns out of the hands of people hell-bent on using one to commit a crime.

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Re: Gun Legislation

Unread post by Leo Lyons » Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:35 pm

Vrede could have replied to my post in a manly, sensible manner like other posters, but no, he had to have his extreme narcissism and grandiose moment to belittle, as evidenced below:
Vrede too wrote:
Sun Dec 16, 2018 11:15 pm
Someone must be drunk or huffing the gun oil.

So, anyone making the lame comparison between guns and drugs is:
Impaired;
Too infatuated with his fetish toy compensations to engage in serious debate;
Too desperately wussy to admit the complete fiasco his prohibition wrought;
Incapable of telling the difference between apples and oranges.
I've been trying to think of the condition that inflicts Vrede when he's posting in a forum, and the other day I heard someone mention the word
"SCOIOPATH" , and I'll be damned if it doesn't fit him to a tee!

I'm willing to bet that each member here, after reading what a sociopath is, will agree that Vrede matches the majority of descriptions in that link.
(He'll say I'm attacking or whining about him --- that "Irresponsibility/Unreliability " thing)

It's time to grow up, little boy. Maybe you'll "grow a pair" as well; you're pathetic without 'em.

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Re: Gun Legislation

Unread post by GoCubsGo » Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:02 pm

Leo Lyons wrote:
Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:35 pm
Vrede could have replied to my post in a manly, sensible manner like other posters, but no, he had to have his extreme narcissism and grandiose moment to belittle, as evidenced below:
Vrede too wrote:
Sun Dec 16, 2018 11:15 pm
Someone must be drunk or huffing the gun oil.

So, anyone making the lame comparison between guns and drugs is:
Impaired;
Too infatuated with his fetish toy compensations to engage in serious debate;
Too desperately wussy to admit the complete fiasco his prohibition wrought;
Incapable of telling the difference between apples and oranges.
I've been trying to think of the condition that inflicts Vrede when he's posting in a forum, and the other day I heard someone mention the word
"SCOIOPATH" , and I'll be damned if it doesn't fit him to a tee!

I'm willing to bet that each member here, after reading what a sociopath is, will agree that Vrede matches the majority of descriptions in that link.
(He'll say I'm attacking or whining about him --- that "Irresponsibility/Unreliability " thing)

It's time to grow up, little boy. Maybe you'll "grow a pair" as well; you're pathetic without 'em.
Who knew our own Vrede was really Trump? :-H
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Re: Gun Legislation

Unread post by Vrede too » Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:34 am

Oh my my my, someone sure got triggered by my responding to his idiotic, wimpy and self-serving drug-gun comparison with exactly the derision it deserved. So, instead of an adult defense or retraction, I get this desperate and hilarious Dr. Phil deflection. Poor baby. Oh well, at least he's got the insight to recognize that it's his lack of personal responsibility. He can build on that . . . eventually.
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Re: Gun Legislation

Unread post by neoplacebo » Tue Dec 18, 2018 7:40 am

Well, that's it. I think I'll just go out and get some drugs and a gun.

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Re: Gun Legislation

Unread post by Leo Lyons » Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:04 am

Isn't it amazing how Vrede and every poster he disagrees with winds up in a major, name calling pissing contest?
Why can't they simply disagree and move on? Why does Vrede have to be an asshole?
(Borrowed: "I enjoy a challenge, but there's not much challenge in arguing with a moron.")

GoCubsGo wrote:
Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:02 pm
Who knew our own Vrede was really Trump? :-H
They do have the same personality traits, don't they.

Example:
Vrede too wrote:
Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:34 am
Oh my my my, someone sure got triggered by my responding to his idiotic, wimpy and self-serving drug-gun comparison with exactly the derision it deserved. So, instead of an adult defense or retraction, I get this desperate and hilarious Dr. Phil deflection. Poor baby. Oh well, at least he's got the insight to recognize that it's his lack of personal responsibility. He can build on that . . . eventually.
I rest my case:

Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.

Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."


Oh my my my, someone sure got triggered by my responding to his idiotic, wimpy and self-serving reply with exactly the derision it deserved.
So, instead of an adult reply or debate, I get this childish and self-serving name-calling fest. Poor baby. Oh well, at least he's got the insight to recognize that it's his lack of personal responsibility and social skills that identifies him with a full blown narcissistic sociopath. He can build on that . . . .

If you want to reply to posts like an asshole, expect to be treated like an asshole. Take another enhancement pill.

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Re: Gun Legislation

Unread post by Leo Lyons » Sat Dec 22, 2018 10:45 am

neoplacebo wrote:
Tue Dec 18, 2018 7:40 am
Well, that's it. I think I'll just go out and get some drugs and a gun.
May as well, Vrede done shut this thread down.

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Re: Gun Legislation

Unread post by neoplacebo » Sat Dec 22, 2018 2:48 pm

Leo Lyons wrote:
Sat Dec 22, 2018 10:45 am
neoplacebo wrote:
Tue Dec 18, 2018 7:40 am
Well, that's it. I think I'll just go out and get some drugs and a gun.
May as well, Vrede done shut this thread down.
I could have been under the influence of previously or currently banned substances (or both) when I wrote that. In fact, I'm sure of it. But today I'm chilling out. It's my birthday and I figure to break the law again before too long. As for Vrede, I think we see pretty much eye to eye on the vast majority of things. I can't think of anything we've ever argued about. Vrede being a prolific advocate for various causes, activist, and big poster on the forum doesn't in itself become toxic. When you talk about the legalization of drugs not "solving the problem" you completely miss what the problem is. Here's a hint: since alcohol was again made legal in 1933? I can't recall anyone being killed over access or distribution of it. Sure, there's always drinkers who get loud and brave and eventually die from their ignorance, but nothing like the open warfare with machine guns and gang wars of the 1920's. Same thing will happen if pot were legal; nobody will be able to establish a criminal enterprise to compete in access and distribution of it, and there would be no drug lords with all that brings with it. You are correct in that there's always going to be a criminal element in the business of getting high; we see it now with the opioid thing now. Well, I'm gonna go have birthday cake and break the law.

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Re: Gun Legislation

Unread post by Vrede too » Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:37 pm

As Superstar Cultmaster I certainly have the authority and persuasive power to shut a thread down. However, there was no need to exercise it. Everyone called you an ammosexual idiot prohibitionist in their own way, you cowered from the points made in order to whine about me, as usual, I laughed at you, no need for further discussion.
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Re: Gun Legislation

Unread post by Leo Lyons » Sat Dec 22, 2018 10:01 pm

neoplacebo wrote:
Sat Dec 22, 2018 2:48 pm
I could have been under the influence of previously or currently banned substances (or both) when I wrote that. In fact, I'm sure of it. But today I'm chilling out. It's my birthday and I figure to break the law again before too long.
Happy Birthday!

As for Vrede, I think we see pretty much eye to eye on the vast majority of things.
I also agree with much he says as well, but unlike you or any of the other posters, Vrede cannot reply in a civil manner without exerting his caustic, sociopathic superiority in order to belittle anyone he disagrees with. No one who has ever expressed any leaning toward conservatism, religion, anti-gay, or even hinting at being anything other than a Dem (or liberal) will ever find themselves in an actual good-hearted debate with him; as evidenced above in his first comments to my post.

I can't think of anything we've ever argued about. Vrede being a prolific advocate for various causes, activist, and big poster on the forum doesn't in itself become toxic.
I'm not certain I follow your meaning there, but if you look at the link I posted re: 'Sociopath', you will see Vrede in most of the descriptions.

When you talk about the legalization of drugs not "solving the problem" you completely miss what the problem is. Here's a hint: since alcohol was again made legal in 1933? I can't recall anyone being killed over access or distribution of it. Sure, there's always drinkers who get loud and brave and eventually die from their ignorance, but nothing like the open warfare with machine guns and gang wars of the 1920's. Same thing will happen if pot were legal; nobody will be able to establish a criminal enterprise to compete in access and distribution of it, and there would be no drug lords with all that brings with it. You are correct in that there's always going to be a criminal element in the business of getting high; we see it now with the opioid thing now. Well, I'm gonna go have birthday cake and break the law.
"the business of getting high" :lol: I hadn't looked at that angle, but yes, you are correct. My opinion is that; legal or illegal, drugs, alcohol, and guns are going to be a problem to humans as long as you, myself, crusading sociopaths, and those who don't want any of the aforementioned abolished, roam this planet.

Thanks for the civil reply. Send Vrede an instruction sheet.

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Re: Gun Legislation

Unread post by Leo Lyons » Sat Dec 22, 2018 10:30 pm

The Sociopathic Superstar Cultmaster wrote:
Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:37 pm
As Superstar Cultmaster I certainly have the authority and persuasive power to shut a thread down.
Authoritarian -- Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities.
•Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.

(Is it at this point in your sentence we're supposed to bow? We have a POTUS with the same powers as you! Y'all must be twins!) :lol:


However, there was no need to exercise it.
•Grandiose Sense of Self -- Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."

Everyone called you an ammosexual idiot prohibitionist in their own way, you cowered from the points made in order to whine about me, as usual
Everyone? Ummm, no. "Everyone" else replies to a post like a grown-up, not like some grandiose snotty little boy that begins a
reply with name-calling.
•Extreme narcissism and grandiose. --
•Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities.
•Blames others; sees himself as the 'victim'.


I laughed at you, no need for further discussion.
Thank you; we're laughing at you as well; you provide excellent entertainment, despite our knowing you're a mental case.

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Unread post by billy.pilgrim » Sat Dec 22, 2018 11:39 pm

heheh, leo may have called me a civil grown-up. that funny
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Unread post by Vrede too » Sun Dec 23, 2018 1:00 am

billy.pilgrim wrote:
Sat Dec 22, 2018 11:39 pm
heheh, leo may have called me a civil grown-up. that funny
As Superstar Cultmaster, I made that happen. ;)
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Unread post by Leo Lyons » Mon Dec 24, 2018 11:08 am

Sociopath wrote:
Sun Dec 23, 2018 1:00 am
billy.pilgrim wrote:
Sat Dec 22, 2018 11:39 pm
heheh, leo may have called me a civil grown-up. that funny
You can sometimes be rude and crude; you're funny. You rarely come across as a jerk.
As Superstar Cultmaster, I made that happen. ;)
•(They) Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing. . .
I've been visiting the CPF forum a bit lately; totally uninteresting; however it is amazing how Vrede mirrors Solar. :idea: :idea:

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Unread post by Vrede too » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:48 pm

So many wingnuts, so little time.

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Unread post by neoplacebo » Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:07 am

Vrede too wrote:
Sun Dec 23, 2018 1:00 am
billy.pilgrim wrote:
Sat Dec 22, 2018 11:39 pm
heheh, leo may have called me a civil grown-up. that funny
As Superstar Cultmaster, I made that happen. ;)
I thought Leo was complimenting me as being civil. But I'm not averse to sharing the glory.....as I can just as easily be a menace as be civil.

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Unread post by Vrede too » Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:27 am

neoplacebo wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:07 am
I thought Leo was complimenting me as being civil. But I'm not averse to sharing the glory.....as I can just as easily be a menace as be civil.
A civil Admiral seems like a contradiction.

I am not an evil Superstar Cultmaster, just a stern one. Even upon Admirals of the Fleet (also the Slow), I bestow good tidings (Fleet - tide-ings, get it? :wave: ).
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Unread post by neoplacebo » Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:19 am

Vrede too wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:27 am
neoplacebo wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:07 am
I thought Leo was complimenting me as being civil. But I'm not averse to sharing the glory.....as I can just as easily be a menace as be civil.
A civil Admiral seems like a contradiction.

I am not an evil Superstar Cultmaster, just a stern one. Even upon Admirals of the Fleet (also the Slow), I bestow good tidings (Fleet - tide-ings, get it? :wave: ).
It's true there's no genuine Civil Admiral, but there is a Vice Admiral whose main function is to manage and administer vice in all its myriad forms. And of course there's the Rear Admiral who is charged with cleaning up any vice left behind by Vice Admiral. All good tidings, whether low or high, are appreciated. :thumbup:

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Unread post by Vrede too » Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:44 am

neoplacebo wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:19 am
It's true there's no genuine Civil Admiral, but there is a Vice Admiral whose main function is to manage and administer vice in all its myriad forms. And of course there's the Rear Admiral who is charged with cleaning up any vice left behind by Vice Admiral. All good tidings, whether low or high, are appreciated. :thumbup:
homerfobe was a Rear Admiral, but it meant something different with him, nttawwt.
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