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Re: Immigration

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"Only God can do this and I give him all the glory. I know where my strength comes from and I know it's simply by his grace that I've been able to walk this walk and walk this journey." - Dabo Swinney

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Unread post by Vrede too » Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:55 pm

Trump Reportedly Tells Stephen Miller: You’re “in Charge” of Immigration

A purge is currently underway in the Department of Homeland Security. In the wake of Secretary of Homeland Security Kirstjen Nielsen’s resignation Sunday, a slew of top DHS officials appear headed for the exits as President Trump and his dead-eyed policy adviser Stephen Miller look to ram their immigration priorities through no matter the cost or consequence. It is part of a broader seizure of power by the White House in an effort to implement its noxious—and typically illegal—immigration policies. In fact, Trump is reported to be keen to resurrect the most controversial and amoral of all his anti-immigration ideas—separating families at the border as a means of deterrent.

With potential crimes against humanity in the offing, it should surprise no one that the Wall Street Journal reports Trump is handing over the reins on immigration in America to his trusted henchman, Stephen Miller.
An administration official said Mr. Trump recently told Stephen Miller, one of his most hard-line advisers: “You’re in charge” of the administration’s immigration policy… Mr. Miller, the White House adviser, is also pushing to reinstate the [family separation] policy, according to people familiar with the discussions. In recent weeks, he has pushed officials at the Homeland Security and Justice departments to “get in line” with a more aggressive approach to immigration, one of the people said.
Administration officials told the Journal that while Miller has always been active in DHS’ immigration-related decisions, Miller has been newly empowered by a president spoiling for a fight on immigration.

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Re: Immigration

Unread post by Vrede too » Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:04 pm

Just when you thought that this headline was no longer even possible . . .
Donald Trump’s Ilhan Omar Tweet Might Be the Worst Tweet in History

... 1. It’s dishonest....
2. It’s racist....
3. It arguably incites violence....
4. It’s hypocritical, opportunistic, etc....
5. It’s in all caps.
All caps makes everything 50 percent dumber.

It’s a crowded field, but I think you could make an argument that, given the reach of Trump’s account and the stakes involved—him being, you know, president—the Omar tweet was objectively the worst one ever sent. Or at least you could have made that case until Monday afternoon, when Trump used Twitter to send firefighting tips to the nation of France.
Donald J. Trump
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So horrible to watch the massive fire at Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris. Perhaps flying water tankers could be used to put it out. Must act quickly!
It turns out that this suggestion could have caused the total collapse of the entire structure. Truly, we may not live in the worst moment in history, but we certainly live in the one that most resembles being trapped inside a TV that an angry, racist crank is shouting at 24 hours a day.
That was fast for a new "Worst Tweet in History". :roll:
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Unread post by 1 CAT FAN » Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:41 pm

Trump, billy.pilgrim and I would have a better conversation with Auburn's basketball coach, Bruce Pearl, than Ilhan Omar would.
    https://www.faithwire.com/2019/04/08/it ... 3-62-loss/
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    Unread post by neoplacebo » Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:47 pm

    trump knows more about basketball than James Naismith, an immigrant from Canada.

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    Re: Immigration

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    Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:41 pm
    Trump, billy.pilgrim and I would have a better conversation with Auburn's basketball coach, Bruce Pearl, than Ilhan Omar would.
      https://www.faithwire.com/2019/04/08/it ... 3-62-loss/
        The topic will be Israel. Auburn's coach Bruce Pearl is a good man, billy.pilgrim should be proud to have him as the mentor of Auburn's young people.
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        Re: Immigration

        Unread post by Vrede too » Sat Apr 20, 2019 10:06 pm

        Friend of yours, 1 FAT CAN?

        FBI arrests leader of U.S. 'patriots' stopping migrants at border

        :---P Looks like he'll understand "illegal" better now.
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        Re: Immigration

        Unread post by billy.pilgrim » Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:29 am

        1 CAT FAN wrote:
        Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:41 pm
        Trump, billy.pilgrim and I would have a better conversation with Auburn's basketball coach, Bruce Pearl, than Ilhan Omar would.
          https://www.faithwire.com/2019/04/08/it ... 3-62-loss/


          Be honest with yourself hater, almost anybody, Bernie, Ilhan Omar and I would have a better conversation with Auburn's basketball coach, Bruce Pearl, than either you or trump would or could.
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          Re: Immigration

          Unread post by Vrede too » Sun Apr 21, 2019 11:46 am

          1 CAT FAN wrote:
          Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:41 pm
          Trump, billy.pilgrim and I would have a better conversation with Auburn's basketball coach, Bruce Pearl, than Ilhan Omar would.
            https://www.faithwire.com/2019/04/08/it ... 3-62-loss/
            Was it "God’s Plan" that Clemson not make the NCAA tourney and then get upset in just the 2nd round of the also-ran NIT? If so, god rocks!
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            Be honest with yourself hater, almost anybody, Bernie, Ilhan Omar and I would have a better conversation with Auburn's basketball coach, Bruce Pearl, than either you or trump would or could.
            https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1119348947871383552
            Ilhan Omar
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            Happy Passover to all who are celebrating!
            2:16 PM - 19 Apr 2019
            Otoh, 1 FAT CAN has chosen not to mention Passover even though I did and 1 FAT CAN posted just 2 posts later and then 6 more times on the page. Seems that 1 FAT CAN is a sleazebag exploiting Jews for bigoted purposes rather than having any actual fondness or respect for them. Shame.

            Of course, Ilhan Omar has NEVER expressed anti-Semitism. She merely disagrees with apartheid Isreal's GOVERNMENT policy and Americans' support for it.

            In other words, 1 FAT CAN chose Christian Holy Week to join the hateful shrieking Repugs by expressing her/his pitiful religious bigotry and Buybull-condemned hypocrisy, and by committing Commandment-level sinful false witness in portraying Ilhan Omar as an anti-Semite. Repent! If not today of all days, when?
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            Re: Immigration

            Unread post by billy.pilgrim » Sun Apr 21, 2019 12:21 pm

            He's just a little shit who never grew up - to fit his socks.
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            Re: Immigration

            Unread post by Vrede too » Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:35 am

            Thank you for contacting me regarding the vetting of refugees and individuals entering the United States on visas. I appreciate hearing from you.

            As you may know, executive orders issued by President Trump have halted entry of foreign nationals from countries that are known hotbeds of terrorism for various periods of time. Affected nationals include those from Chad, Iran, Libya, North Korea, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Venezuela, and Yemen. These travel restrictions are subject to categorical exceptions and case-by-case waivers.

            Under the orders, the Department of Homeland Security is required to implement improved vetting procedures for refugees, and foreign countries have to provide the necessary information to prove their citizens seeking entry into the United States do not pose a threat. Certain aspects of President Trump’s executive orders were challenged by the lower courts, the Supreme Court agreed to hear arguments on the travel ban on April 25, 2018. On June 26, 2018, a decision was passed down to uphold President Trump’s executive orders.

            America has always been a home for refugees fleeing persecution and seeking freedom, and I firmly believe that it should continue to be. At the same time, we must also be mindful of the sad reality that radical Islamic terrorists are actively attempting to infiltrate the refugee and visa programs and enter western nations. Our refugee and visa programs pose significant vulnerabilities, and strengthening the screening of refugees and gaining increased access to the backgrounds of foreign nationals are matters of national security....

            Sincerely,

            Thom Tillis (R-NC)
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            You lie about Venezuela being a known hotbed of terrorism.

            You lie about North Korea being a known hotbed of terrorism. It's a nasty nation, but its terrorism is focused and rare.

            You ignore the fact that vetting is already very stringent.

            You ignore the fact that other hotbeds of terrorism, client states Iraq, Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia, and Trump-idolized Russia, are not subject to the ban.

            You ignore the fact that here in the US, each decade since at least the 1970s, most domestic terror attacks have been perpetrated by white, male, often Christian, cons.

            Admit it, this is about Trump's bigotry, his pandering to his bigoted base, and your weakness, not our safety.

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            (Vrede too)
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            Re: Immigration

            Unread post by billy.pilgrim » Fri Apr 26, 2019 9:26 am

            Vrede too wrote:
            Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:35 am
            Thank you for contacting me regarding the vetting of refugees and individuals entering the United States on visas. I appreciate hearing from you.

            As you may know, executive orders issued by President Trump have halted entry of foreign nationals from countries that are known hotbeds of terrorism for various periods of time. Affected nationals include those from Chad, Iran, Libya, North Korea, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Venezuela, and Yemen. These travel restrictions are subject to categorical exceptions and case-by-case waivers.

            Under the orders, the Department of Homeland Security is required to implement improved vetting procedures for refugees, and foreign countries have to provide the necessary information to prove their citizens seeking entry into the United States do not pose a threat. Certain aspects of President Trump’s executive orders were challenged by the lower courts, the Supreme Court agreed to hear arguments on the travel ban on April 25, 2018. On June 26, 2018, a decision was passed down to uphold President Trump’s executive orders.

            America has always been a home for refugees fleeing persecution and seeking freedom, and I firmly believe that it should continue to be. At the same time, we must also be mindful of the sad reality that radical Islamic terrorists are actively attempting to infiltrate the refugee and visa programs and enter western nations. Our refugee and visa programs pose significant vulnerabilities, and strengthening the screening of refugees and gaining increased access to the backgrounds of foreign nationals are matters of national security....

            Sincerely,

            Thom Tillis (R-NC)
            U.S. Senator
            You lie about Venezuela being a known hotbed of terrorism.

            You lie about North Korea being a known hotbed of terrorism. It's a nasty nation, but its terrorism is focused and rare.

            You ignore the fact that vetting is already very stringent.

            You ignore the fact that other hotbeds of terrorism, client states Iraq, Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia, and Trump-idolized Russia, are not subject to the ban.

            You ignore the fact that here in the US, each decade since at least the 1970s, most domestic terror attacks have been perpetrated by white, male, often Christian, cons.

            Admit it, this is about Trump's bigotry, his pandering to his bigoted base, and your weakness, not our safety.

            Sincerely,
            (Vrede too)
            You left out Israel and the US.
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            Re: Immigration

            Unread post by Vrede too » Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:47 am

            billy.pilgrim wrote:
            Fri Apr 26, 2019 9:26 am
            You left out Israel and the US.
            True, I was just too lazy to also challenge his definition of terrorism.
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            Re: Immigration

            Unread post by neoplacebo » Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:06 pm

            Vrede too wrote:
            Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:47 am
            billy.pilgrim wrote:
            Fri Apr 26, 2019 9:26 am
            You left out Israel and the US.
            True, I was just too lazy to also challenge his definition of terrorism.
            Good work, though. I never get anything back from Phil Roe or Marsha Blackburn. I've never written to Alexander; he's a living corpse. In any case, my correspondence to them, even though it vigorously invites a response, never results in a response. Maybe I need to be more forceful.

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            Re: Immigration

            Unread post by Vrede too » Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:56 pm

            neoplacebo wrote:
            Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:06 pm
            Good work, though. I never get anything back from Phil Roe or Marsha Blackburn. I've never written to Alexander; he's a living corpse. In any case, my correspondence to them, even though it vigorously invites a response, never results in a response. Maybe I need to be more forceful.
            One trick I got told long ago is that one has to request a response. It doesn't always work, but my ending each comm that way seems to help. Never mind if you meant "vigorously invites a response" literally. One can get on a shitlist and never hear from them again.
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            Unread post by neoplacebo » Sat Apr 27, 2019 7:56 am

            Vrede too wrote:
            Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:56 pm
            neoplacebo wrote:
            Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:06 pm
            Good work, though. I never get anything back from Phil Roe or Marsha Blackburn. I've never written to Alexander; he's a living corpse. In any case, my correspondence to them, even though it vigorously invites a response, never results in a response. Maybe I need to be more forceful.
            One trick I got told long ago is that on has to request a response. It doesn't always work, but my ending each comm that way seems to help. Never mind if you meant "vigorously invites a response" literally. One can get on a shitlist and never hear from them again.
            Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm on a shit list with both of them. But it's only fair; after all, they are both on mine. Whatever I tell them, neither will change the position they have and it's not likely either of them will convince me to change mine. It's an adversarial relationship at best.

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            Re: Immigration

            Unread post by billy.pilgrim » Sat Apr 27, 2019 10:02 am

            neoplacebo wrote:
            Sat Apr 27, 2019 7:56 am
            Vrede too wrote:
            Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:56 pm
            neoplacebo wrote:
            Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:06 pm
            Good work, though. I never get anything back from Phil Roe or Marsha Blackburn. I've never written to Alexander; he's a living corpse. In any case, my correspondence to them, even though it vigorously invites a response, never results in a response. Maybe I need to be more forceful.
            One trick I got told long ago is that on has to request a response. It doesn't always work, but my ending each comm that way seems to help. Never mind if you meant "vigorously invites a response" literally. One can get on a shitlist and never hear from them again.
            Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm on a shit list with both of them. But it's only fair; after all, they are both on mine. Whatever I tell them, neither will change the position they have and it's not likely either of them will convince me to change mine. It's an adversarial relationship at best.

            I use to write, email and call my rep, Jeff Miller. His office would respond with a form letter thanking me for my interest and explaining that due to the volume of requests they receive it would be a couple of weeks before anyone would contact me, but no one ever did.

            I need to give tiny dick Marco another shot, I find what happened hard to believe as intentional.

            My only experience with Marco was during 2014 or 2015. I couldn't get my son on our aca insurance and figured a repug might be interested in my aca horror story, so I called Marco's Pensacola office.
            The person I spoke with asked a lot of questions and seemed interested in helping. She said that she would call back by noon the next day.

            I also called Bill Nelson. They told me the same.

            Nelson's office returned my call that afternoon. They had assigned someone to my case. He said that he thought he would be able to solve our problem.

            When Marco hadn't called by the next afternoon, I called them. The phone would ring two or three times and the line would go dead. This continued to happen for a couple of days until I lost interest.


            Did they check my voter registration before wasting time on a dem?
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            Re: Immigration

            Unread post by O Really » Sat Apr 27, 2019 10:08 am

            billy.pilgrim wrote:
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            Did they check my voter registration before wasting time on a dem?
            Almost certainly.

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            Re: Immigration

            Unread post by billy.pilgrim » Sat Apr 27, 2019 10:18 am

            O Really wrote:
            Sat Apr 27, 2019 10:08 am
            billy.pilgrim wrote:
            Sat Apr 27, 2019 10:02 am



            Did they check my voter registration before wasting time on a dem?
            Almost certainly.

            Seems so paranoid. I wish I had tried after a week or so.
            Or at least find out if that's what happens when your number is blocked
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            Re: Immigration

            Unread post by O Really » Sat Apr 27, 2019 10:25 am

            Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not really out to get you.
            If they really are out to get you, paranoid is a survival skill.

            Consider - they were initially helpful; you gave them all the information they'd need to check your registration. They would have had to invest some resources in fixing your problem and almost surely would get no contribution or vote. Sad, but politicians don't represent their lawful constituents anymore, but only their "base" and/or contributors. And besides, Marco is a petty scumbag anyway.

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