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Re: Immigration

Unread post by O Really » Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:23 pm

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Yeah, but it's all different people. It's the Republican right-wingers that are offended by the benefits, and it's people who have been invaded that are offended by the flag. And it's people like me who are offended by the lack of culture.
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Re: Immigration

Unread post by Vrede too » Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:29 pm

Isn't it weird that 1 FAT CAN's whiny graphic flubs use of a question mark? Must be Russian.

Isn't it weird that the states that screech the most about "Benefits" are the slackers that blue states have to carry?

Robbing Blue States to Pay Red

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https://www.nilc.org/issues/immigration ... t-of-2019/

House vote probably tomorrow.
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Re: Immigration

Unread post by 1 CAT FAN » Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:50 am

Escape to the land of milk & honey, take a knee fellas.
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Re: Immigration

Unread post by Vrede too » Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:28 pm

Vrede too wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:29 pm
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https://www.nilc.org/issues/immigration ... t-of-2019/

House vote probably tomorrow.
FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 240

BILL TITLE: American Dream and Promise Act

Democratic
Ayes 230, Noes 0, NV 5

Republican
Ayes 7, Noes 187, NV 4

TOTALS
Ayes 237, Noes 187, NV 9 :thumbup:

Granted, it will fail in the Senate, but voters now have more info and the path is there if the Dems regain power.
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Re: Immigration

Unread post by 1 CAT FAN » Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:52 pm

Begging for Help: NM Gov Changing Her Tune on Immigration
    In February, Grisham made national news for thumbing her nose at the president, her citizens, and national security when she sent the National Guard packing. She blithely stated: “New Mexico will not take part in the president’s charade of border fear-mongering,” and received a blast of positive kudos from Democrat toadies in the Swamp. It fit their narrative perfectly and from a border state to boot.

    But three short months later, after recall and impeachment petitions, shameful national news coverage of cities and towns overwhelmed by the “charade,” and 31 of 33 counties expressing their disdain for Grisham through resolutions, the governor is now asking President Trump and the Department of Homeland Security for their help.

    “The governor wants to continue to urge the federal government to increase its personnel on the border as a means of improving the logistical and communications output,” said spokesman Tripp Stelnicki, whose head must be spinning like a top after Grisham’s desperate about face. He also hinted that the events in Otero County may be spiking fear in Grisham as other municipalities and counties are jumping on Griffin’s bandwagon. And frankly, no one is buying what Grisham is selling anymore.
      https://www.libertynation.com/begging-f ... migration/
        Not exactly The Daily Beast - but it'll do.
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        Re: Immigration

        Unread post by Vrede too » Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:11 pm

        It really is time to stop being nice about stupidity.

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        Re: Immigration

        Unread post by O Really » Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:38 pm

        Short-attention-span Americans follow shiny slogans and generalizations way too much to understand "immigration." Immigration isn't just one issue, but depends a lot on who is coming in and why. Policy on those seeking asylum should be different from those seeking work permits. "Immigration Reform" has become a euphemism for Keep Out As Many Mexicans And Central Americans As Possible. Actually, there wouldn't be nearly as many "illegals" in the country now if everybody hadn't gone into a panic after 9/11 and screwed up what was a fairly workable system. A rational administration would assign people to looking at the refugee issue, including reasons for acceptance, entry procedures, accommodations, etc. It would assign different people to look in border security issues, and different people still to look into import labor. All these are separate - and not even that closely related - issues. But hey, it's easier to say "gotta pertek Murica from invaders."

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        Re: Immigration

        Unread post by 1 CAT FAN » Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:42 pm

        Man in country illegally charged with 11 murders in Texas
          A Dallas man previously arrested in the death of an 81-year-old woman has been charged with killing at least 11 more elderly women whose jewelry and other valuables he stole, authorities said Thursday.
          Kim Leach, a spokeswoman for the Dallas County district attorney’s office, said 46-year-old Billy Chemirmir was indicted Tuesday on six more counts of capital murder in the deaths of women ranging in age from 76 to 94. In addition to the murder charges, Chemirmir is being held on a charge of being in the country illegally.
            https://www.apnews.com/876d4dd4ce9e44eea0fb0588d7ec684f
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            Unread post by Vrede too » Thu Jun 06, 2019 3:23 pm

            Family arrests at U.S.-Mexico border reach highest monthly level in over decade amid tariff threat

            Agree or disagree with bigot 45SHOLE's goals, his policies have made things worse. Smart.
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            Re: Immigration

            Unread post by O Really » Thu Jun 06, 2019 3:25 pm

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            Man in country illegally charged with 11 murders in Texas
              Damn, if only they'd had a 20-ft wall up at the airport where the guy flew into on a legal Kenyan passport 10 or so years ago, none of that would have happened, especially since there are no violent criminals who aren't here illegally.

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              Re: Immigration

              Unread post by 1 CAT FAN » Thu Jun 06, 2019 5:19 pm

              Geez, O Really, how many victims has there been?
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              Re: Immigration

              Unread post by Vrede too » Thu Jun 06, 2019 6:37 pm

              Agency watchdog slams conditions at ICE detention facilities

              :( :ateeth:
              Texas Governor Asked Officials To Hunt For Noncitizen Voter Records Before Botched Purge

              Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) pushed officials at the state’s Department of Public Safety to scour driver’s license records for noncitizens and forward that information to the Texas secretary of state, a fellow Republican, in advance of the state’s botched voter purge, according to emails made public Tuesday.

              Texas officials would go on to falsely claim that they had found nearly 100,000 noncitizens registered to vote. They later admitted that number was based on deeply flawed data. But some Texas officials knew all along that they could access more information in order to determine whether the people whose driver’s licenses said they were noncitizens were actually noncitizens, the emails suggest — and pushed ahead regardless....
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              Re: Immigration

              Unread post by neoplacebo » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:11 pm

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              Geez, O Really, how many victims has there been?
              I've lost count myself, but cheer up; you're the perpetual victim. If it isn't one thing, it'll be another. You can do it. Being a victim tends to lend a sense of comfort or affirmation, so load up. And, damn if you're not a victim again (obviously unknowingly) in your dismal command of your native language.....you never read a lot of books, did you? It's "how many victims HAVE there been" not how many HAS there been. Goddam, you manage to be a victim and not realize it, but that's generally how that works.

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              Re: Immigration

              Unread post by 1 CAT FAN » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:37 pm

              You’re upset that the illegal immigrant got caught...eh? No compassion for the elderly.
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              Re: Immigration

              Unread post by Vrede too » Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:10 pm

              Is There a Connection Between Undocumented Immigrants and Crime?
              It’s a widely held perception, but a new analysis finds no evidence to support it.
              https://www.themarshallproject.org/2019 ... -and-crime

              Rightwing Cato Institute:
              Criminal Immigrants in Texas: Illegal Immigrant Conviction and Arrest Rates for Homicide, Sex Crimes, Larceny, and Other Crimes
              https://www.cato.org/publications/immig ... -immigrant
              Conclusion
              “The homicide conviction rate for illegal immigrants was 16 percent below that of native-born Americans in Texas in 2015. The conviction rates for illegal immigrants were 7.9 percent and 77 percent below that of native-born Americans for sex crimes and larceny, respectively. For all criminal convictions in Texas in 2015, illegal immigrants had a criminal conviction rate 50 percent below that of native-born Americans. Legal immigrants had a criminal conviction rate 66 percent below that of native-born Americans.”

              Academic journal Criminology:
              DOES UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRATION INCREASE VIOLENT CRIME?
              https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/ful ... 9125.12175
              Abstract
              “… The results from fixed‐effects regression models reveal that undocumented immigration does not increase violence. Rather, the relationship between undocumented immigration and violent crime is generally negative, although not significant in all specifications….”

              Undocumented Immigration, Drug Problems, and Driving Under the Influence in the United States, 1990–2014
              https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... ished.html
              Results. Increased undocumented immigration was significantly associated with reductions in drug arrests, drug overdose deaths, and DUI arrests, net of other factors. There was no significant relationship between increased undocumented immigration and DUI deaths.
              Conclusions. This study provides evidence that undocumented immigration has not increased the prevalence of drug or alcohol problems, but may be associated with reductions in these public health concerns.

              The Myth of the Criminal Immigrant
              The link between immigration and crime exists in the imaginations of Americans, and nowhere else.
              https://www.themarshallproject.org/2018 ... -immigrant

              All else equal, an immigrant is a safer person to hire than the average American.

              I love watching bigots squirm and cower.
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              Re: Immigration

              Unread post by O Really » Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:04 pm

              1 CAT FAN wrote:
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              You’re upset that the illegal immigrant got caught...eh? No compassion for the elderly.
              Dude. You're the one who posted it in the Immigration thread, thus making that the issue. There's lot of other threads you could have posted a crime, or there's a lot of comments you could have made about this one. Like lax security in rest homes or sloppy assumptions on the part of those completing death certificates in just figuring "oh, she's old, she probably just died." But no. You put it in Immigration as if that were relevant in this story of serial killing.

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              Unread post by neoplacebo » Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:36 am

              Folks like him have become irrelevant or obsolete; thus becoming perpetual victims allows them to feel relevant like they assume they once were.

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              Re: Immigration

              Unread post by neoplacebo » Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:50 am

              1 CAT FAN wrote:
              Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:37 pm
              You’re upset that the illegal immigrant got caught...eh? No compassion for the elderly.
              :lol: Man, you are metamucil. I am always glad when a criminal is caught. And I'm elderly and am slap full of compassion for me and my kind. What's funny is your logic and the way you confuse cause and effect. This type of mindset is what leads you to be a member of the trump cult.

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              Re: Immigration

              Unread post by Vrede too » Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:49 pm

              It really is time to stop being nice about stupidity.

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              Re: Immigration

              Unread post by Vrede too » Sat Jun 08, 2019 11:53 am

              No specific point, just interesting:

              Key findings about U.S. immigrants

              This is hopeful, though, not counting the slight dip recently:

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