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Cop "fabricated" coffee cup insult, police chief says

A Kansas police officer "fabricated" a story that a McDonald's employee wrote an expletive on his coffee cup over the weekend, Herington Police Chief Brian Hornaday said Monday. Hornaday said the officer, who no longer works for the department, had originally claimed he had been given a coffee cup on Saturday that had "f***ing pig" written on it.

"We found that McDonald's and its employees did not have anything whatsoever to do with this incident. This was completely and solely fabricated by a Herington police officer who is no longer employed with our agency," Hornaday said at a press conference....

The alleged incident gained attention after Hornaday said in a Facebook post, which has since been removed, that one of his officers was handed the cup Saturday at a McDonald's drive through in Junction City.

Hornaday posted a picture of the cup and wrote that the officer was offered a "free lunch" but, "A Big Mac and large fries doesn't make up for it.

"This behavior has been, is and always will be wrong," Hornaday said in the post.

"There is a whole lot more to the story than what is being portrayed online. Hopefully, McDonald's will follow through with showing me the video that didn't exist when I met with them Saturday night," Hornaday initially told CBS affiliate WIBW, adding, "It doesn't appear this matter is going to be resolved anytime soon." ...
“The officer, who has not been identified”

In contrast, Herington Police Chief Brian Hornaday doesn’t hesitate to immediately identify every alleged civilian miscreant, and did not hesitate to condemn the particular McDonald's that was falsely accused.

This is the Kansas version of Jussie Smollett.

Ironically, what was written on the cup proved to be a very accurate description of the lying cop and the Chief that lashed out with a false accusation.
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Not disclosing the name is sleazy, but likely more a result of required confidentiality on disciplinary matters.
(from a different source) "Hornaday declined to name the officer because it is a personnel issue. “It’s not a matter of us not wanting to tell you who it is, because we have no reason whatsoever to protect the former officer,” he said."

That requirement is usually a part of a union contract, which may or may not be in play in a town with 5 cops, or it might be part of a "Law Officers Bill of Rights" laws that some states have. Either way, it's too stringent, IMNVHO, even though the rationale is to avoid publicity over complaints under investigation that may very well turn out to be unfounded. Lots of people complain about cops and shocking though it may be, not all are true.

Cop rousted a vagrant for attempting to cash a forged check. The guy did not go down peaceably and eventually filed a complaint against the cop, the police department, et. al. During the investigation, the "victim's" main complaint was verbal abuse and racial slurs. Specifically, he alleged that the cop had called him a "frogatib" Even though he didn't know what the word meant, he was sure it was insulting. In the investigation, turns out during the rousting the guy threatened to "sue everybody..." and the cop responded that "Well, that's your prerogative..." :lol:

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Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:13 pm
Not disclosing the name is sleazy, but likely more a result of required confidentiality on disciplinary matters.
(from a different source) "Hornaday declined to name the officer because it is a personnel issue. “It’s not a matter of us not wanting to tell you who it is, because we have no reason whatsoever to protect the former officer,” he said."

That requirement is usually a part of a union contract, which may or may not be in play in a town with 5 cops, or it might be part of a "Law Officers Bill of Rights" laws that some states have. Either way, it's too stringent, IMNVHO, even though the rationale is to avoid publicity over complaints under investigation that may very well turn out to be unfounded...
Ah, thanks. I still stand by my complaint of the double standard for accused civilians, even if we can't directly blame the chief in this instance.
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Ah, thanks. I still stand by my complaint of the double standard for accused civilians, even if we can't directly blame the chief in this instance.
Yeah especially since in this case it's no longer a discipline case - the guy is gone, theoretically resigned. But like so many other regulations or legal requirements, a lot of people will misunderstand.

It's interesting though to look at the various things that get disclosed and those that don't. Sexual assault victims are not usually identified, but if the perp only beats you over the head and takes your money, you'll be in the news. Unless the attacker is your spouse and then it's "domestic violence" and not disclosed. Juveniles are not usually publicly identified, which may makes some sense unless they're "being tried as an adult."

A lot of "news" reports are pretty much "somebody was attacked by an unknown assailant somewhere in the city sometime yesterday." Translation: We have no clue what happened or how it might possibly affect you, but we've got a quota for filling a column on crime reporting so here it is.

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Ah, thanks. I still stand by my complaint of the double standard for accused civilians, even if we can't directly blame the chief in this instance.
Yeah especially since in this case it's no longer a discipline case - the guy is gone, theoretically resigned....
And especially since his false accusation caused hassle, distress and fear for McDonald's and its innocent employees. Leaving aside legal and contract issues, in a just universe he would have already been outed. I can only hope that he has been by local social media. Pretty dinky town to keep it truly secret.
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I can only hope that he has been by local social media. Pretty dinky town to keep it truly secret.
Quite the scandal to lose 20% of the force. :lol:

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Police assholery has infected Canada, although it was fundamentally the bank's fault. Still police handled it badly. Glad nobody got injured.

"Indigenous grandfather and 12-year-old handcuffed in front of Vancouver bank after trying to open an account"

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british- ... -1.5419519

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Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:44 pm
Police assholery has infected Canada, although it was fundamentally the bank's fault. Still police handled it badly. Glad nobody got injured.

"Indigenous grandfather and 12-year-old handcuffed in front of Vancouver bank after trying to open an account"

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british- ... -1.5419519
that's gonna cost the bank a couple of dollars,

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Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:44 pm
Police assholery has infected Canada, although it was fundamentally the bank's fault. Still police handled it badly. Glad nobody got injured.

"Indigenous grandfather and 12-year-old handcuffed in front of Vancouver bank after trying to open an account"

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british- ... -1.5419519
American cops would have shot them.
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Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:44 pm
that's gonna cost the bank a couple of dollars,

Good!
:thumbup: Yeah, but I'll bet she still doesn't get her new account toaster.


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