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Re: The LEO thread

Unread post by Vrede too » Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:01 pm

billy.pilgrim wrote:
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Maybe not at home, maybe not when they start the job, but it ain't just a "bad apple or two", all cops are pigs. Otherwise, when 10, 25 or twenty show up this abuse wouldn't happen.
Not disagreeing with your conclusion, structurally abusive systems convert or weed out the non-abusive. However, in this video it looks like all or almost all of the abuse that we can see happened when only 2, maybe 4, cops were there.


LAPD investigates officer's actions in Costco shooting

My guess: The cop is lying. His version just doesn't make sense in several ways.
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Never mind, some abuse continued after at least 6 cops were there.
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Re: The LEO thread

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Vrede too wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:01 pm
billy.pilgrim wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:43 pm
Maybe not at home, maybe not when they start the job, but it ain't just a "bad apple or two", all cops are pigs. Otherwise, when 10, 25 or twenty show up this abuse wouldn't happen.
Not disagreeing with your conclusion, structurally abusive systems convert or weed out the non-abusive. However, in this video it looks like all or almost all of the abuse that we can see happened when only 2, maybe 4, cops were there.


LAPD investigates officer's actions in Costco shooting

My guess: The cop is lying. His version just doesn't make sense in several ways.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/72-ph ... id=ARWLCHR




"Philadelphia’s police commissioner delivered a stern warning to his officers after a lawyer reviewed how police officers behaved on social media. Hundreds of Philadelphia police officers, some ranking sergeants and lieutenants, have been outed for alleged racist and violent posts across social media."


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/72-ph ... id=ARWLCHR


"There are thousands of Facebook comments and shared posts now compiled in a database called the Plain View Project.

The posts show officers wanting to ram people with Obama bumper stickers and others calling those in the Black Lives Matter movement “racist pieces of [expletive].”



Based on my own personal interactions over the past 50 years and confirmed by everything I have seen in the media,
cops can behave like normal people when they want to, but in their own company, or at the slightest provocation, nearly all are pigs.
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Unread post by neoplacebo » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:13 am

I agree; most local cops and sheriff deputies are pigs and become even more so when in their own company. Seems to me that state police officers don't exhibit this type of attitude, plus they aren't grossly overweight nor do they exhibit flagrant ignorance.

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Unread post by billy.pilgrim » Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:12 am

More pigs here

[Former Pevely officer unlawfully seized man's phone for recording traffic stop, lawsuit says]
http://va.topbuzz.com/s/TFUjrb
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Re: The LEO thread

Unread post by billy.pilgrim » Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:17 am

neoplacebo wrote:
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I agree; most local cops and sheriff deputies are pigs and become even more so when in their own company. Seems to me that state police officers don't exhibit this type of attitude, plus they aren't grossly overweight nor do they exhibit flagrant ignorance.
My first seriously negative personal experience was with 2 state troopers.

Prior interactions were in DC with large groups acting peacefully, even after the threats, tear gas and billyclubs
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Re: The LEO thread

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Just show him your medicinal card, billy.
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    Re: The LEO thread

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    billy.pilgrim wrote:
    Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:17 am
    neoplacebo wrote:
    Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:13 am
    I agree; most local cops and sheriff deputies are pigs and become even more so when in their own company. Seems to me that state police officers don't exhibit this type of attitude, plus they aren't grossly overweight nor do they exhibit flagrant ignorance.
    My first seriously negative personal experience was with 2 state troopers.

    Prior interactions were in DC with large groups acting peacefully, even after the threats, tear gas and billyclubs
    Here in TN I have never once seen a state police officer who is not by himself. Looks like guilt by association affects them all then. Come to think of it, I don't recall ever seeing a NC state officer who had another one with him.

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    billy.pilgrim wrote:
    Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:17 am
    My first seriously negative personal experience was with 2 state troopers.

    Prior interactions were in DC with large groups acting peacefully, even after the threats, tear gas and billyclubs
    billy.pilgrim clubs?
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    Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:43 am
    Here in TN I have never once seen a state police officer who is not by himself. Looks like guilt by association affects them all then. Come to think of it, I don't recall ever seeing a NC state officer who had another one with him.
    The troopers cover large areas - long time to back each other up. Basically, someone has to die for a 2nd trooper to arrive. I've not noticed much difference by type of cop - good and bad interactions with all. My worst experiences in NV an NC were with troopers, elsewhere with locals.
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    Unread post by Vrede too » Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:35 pm

    billy.pilgrim wrote:
    Thu Jun 20, 2019 7:45 am
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/72-ph ... id=ARWLCHR

    "Philadelphia’s police commissioner delivered a stern warning to his officers after a lawyer reviewed how police officers behaved on social media. Hundreds of Philadelphia police officers, some ranking sergeants and lieutenants, have been outed for alleged racist and violent posts across social media."

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/72-ph ... id=ARWLCHR

    "There are thousands of Facebook comments and shared posts now compiled in a database called the Plain View Project.

    The posts show officers wanting to ram people with Obama bumper stickers and others calling those in the Black Lives Matter movement “racist pieces of [expletive].” ...
    Bad links. Same story:

    72 officers off streets amid probe into social media posts

    :---P

    Kudos to the researchers. :-||
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    Vrede too wrote:
    Thu Jun 20, 2019 1:09 pm
    billy.pilgrim wrote:
    Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:17 am
    My first seriously negative personal experience was with 2 state troopers.

    Prior interactions were in DC with large groups acting peacefully, even after the threats, tear gas and billyclubs
    billy.pilgrim clubs?
    neoplacebo wrote:
    Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:43 am
    Here in TN I have never once seen a state police officer who is not by himself. Looks like guilt by association affects them all then. Come to think of it, I don't recall ever seeing a NC state officer who had another one with him.
    The troopers cover large areas - long time to back each other up. Basically, someone has to die for a 2nd trooper to arrive. I've not noticed much difference by type of cop - good and bad interactions with all. My worst experiences in NV an NC were with troopers, elsewhere with locals.
    Perhaps it would be clever to purchase a state police uniform or just approximate one with khaki pants and shirt and smoky bear hat and just drive around wearing it. I don't think you can be charged with impersonating an officer as long as you don't tell someone else that you're a cop but I'm not presently of enough confidence to test this theory, especially after drinking beer and fooling around with dangerous and illegal substances. :arrow: :)

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    Makes little difference whether a jurisdiction is blue or red, LEOs are an unaccountable, lawbreaking nation unto themselves.
    Independent Investigation by Inspector General Slams NYPD for Continued Biased Policing Six Years After Stop-and-Frisk Trial

    In response to a scathing report on biased policing released today by the Office of the Inspector General for the New York City Police Department, the Center for Constitutional Rights, which brought the landmark NYPD stop-and-frisk case, Floyd v. City of New York, issued the following statement:
    ... The NYPD may have issued a new written policy prohibiting racial profiling and is sending its officers to a one-off implicit bias training, but, as this report shows, these limited reforms by themselves cannot fix what is clearly an entrenched problem within the department. One need look no further than the NYPD’s handling of the more than 2,600 racial profiling complaints that members of the public have made against its officers in the past four years for a perfect illustration of the problem: NYPD internal investigators found ALL of these complaints to be “unsubstantiated,” an unthinkable result given all the recent high-profile incidents of officers violating the rights of New Yorkers of color....
    ... Read or download the OIG-NYPD’s report in the attachment below, or on the Department of Investigation's website: Examination By DOI's Office of The Inspector General for The NYPD Identifies Deficiencies and Recommends Improvements in How NYPD Handles Complaints of Biased Policing.
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    300 teens, "many of whom were intoxicated and violent," were behaving badly in a park. A couple of cops were actually injured slightly by getting hit in the face. Reinforcements were called. Eventually the crowd was dispersed and the two who hit the cops were arrested. OK, so maybe that's not very newsworthy, but... Nobody got shot, nobody got tasered and dragged away, nobody got choked, nobody died for "resisting arrest" or were attacked for "failure to respond to police command" or whatever general bullshit.

    It's too bad, but yes, when somebody in a drunken mob actually hits a copy and the cops manage to get rid of the crowd and arrest the attackers and nobody gets killed - that's newsworthy. Oh yeah, it's also Vancouver.

    https://bc.ctvnews.ca/intoxicated-and-v ... -1.4494417

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    Toronto just can’t celebrate a basketball championship peacefully without causing a stampede.
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    Deputy smashes into a Smart car at 104 mph, newly released dashcam video shows

    Yikes.
    Deputy Who Rear-Ended Driver At 104 MPH Had Horrendous Service Record, Received Almost Zero Discipline
    from the God,-why-do-good/indifferent-things-happen-to-bad-cops? dept


    ... Hegele is now on trial for reckless driving, which is extremely lenient considering the number of charges he could face for his actions. Undoubtedly, he will be leaving behind a bunch of frustrated, angry co-workers who likely cannot understand why someone so toxic was allowed to pollute their ranks for so long.

    But if anything's going to prevent future Hegeles, it's his agency realizing it's far too lax when it comes to handing out punishment for misconduct. Hegele managed to rack up several thousand dollars-worth of damages in his career, along with whatever collateral damage accrued from his sloppy habits and policework. In return, he received some stern paper-waving and two unpaid days off. Calling that "absurd" makes the word "absurd" as meaningless as "literally." It's horrendous and inexcusable. Hegele may be on his way out, but if Palm Beach County (FL) Sheriff's Department wants to be taken seriously, it will be sending a lot of supervisors and officials packing as well.
    :cussing: Shitty policing is not an individual thing, it's policy.
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    It's hard to find responsible, reliable people these days.
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      Re: The LEO thread

      Unread post by Vrede too » Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:15 am

      Vrede too wrote:
      Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:35 pm
      billy.pilgrim wrote:
      Thu Jun 20, 2019 7:45 am
      "Philadelphia’s police commissioner delivered a stern warning to his officers after a lawyer reviewed how police officers behaved on social media. Hundreds of Philadelphia police officers, some ranking sergeants and lieutenants, have been outed for alleged racist and violent posts across social media."

      "There are thousands of Facebook comments and shared posts now compiled in a database called the Plain View Project.

      The posts show officers wanting to ram people with Obama bumper stickers and others calling those in the Black Lives Matter movement “racist pieces of [expletive].” ...
      Same story:

      72 officers off streets amid probe into social media posts

      :---P

      Kudos to the researchers. :-||
      2 dozen Dallas officers disciplined over offensive posts

      The folks at the Plain View Project are heroes!

      Which is least surprising?

      1. That so many cops are bigoted or otherwise offensive?
      2. That so many cops are stupid enough to post about it to Facebook and get caught?
      3. That PDs are taking this seriously and will discipline the stupid bad cops?
      4. That a Texas PD is taking this seriously and will discipline the stupid bad cops?
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