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neoplacebo wrote:
Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:51 pm
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Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:18 am
Not bad for a little electric family car.



"The Tesla Model 3 Performance has proven itself to be a rather frightening force in rallies, after the all-electric sedan completely dominated the 130 class of the Targa West Rally, ending the race nearly 10 minutes ahead of a lineup of fossil fuel-powered competitors. The Model 3 Performance was driven by Jurgen and Helen Lunsmann, veteran racers who drove the vehicle over four days to complete the 1,000 km race.

Interestingly enough, the Model 3 Performance, which was racing for West Australian EV charging business Gemtek, is the first all-electric car to dominate the Targa West Rally’s 130 class (130 km/hr speed limited) in such a definitive fashion. So impressive was the Model 3 Performance that it actually beat the times of cars that were competing in the 165 class, which allowed vehicles to go as fast as 165 km/hr. The Tesla still dominated the winner of the 165 class by over 4 minutes."

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3 ... lly-video/
Yeah, electric motor and battery technology has made significant advances in the past twenty years or so. I wonder if a Tesla charge lasts longer than a full tank of gas. Winning any race by ten minutes is unheard of; ten seconds would be remarkable among a group of conventional cars. Aside; too bad trump and the idiots in the GOP prefer subsidizing the oil industry to the tune of tens of millions a year rather than investing in the alternatives. Oil companies have been getting these government subsidies for a century now with no end in sight.
All depends on the car. I can realistically travel 250 miles, but that is reduced when traveling due to charging station locations. That problem won't last much longer.
Range is also less on the highway than city.
My Tacoma does a tad better at about 260/tank.

The hummer a few posts back (that can go sideways) has a 500 mile range.
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neoplacebo wrote:
Tue Oct 27, 2020 5:23 pm
Vrede too wrote:
Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:19 pm
neoplacebo wrote:
Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:51 pm
billy.pilgrim wrote:
Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:18 am
Not bad for a little electric family car.

"The Tesla Model 3 Performance has proven itself to be a rather frightening force in rallies, after the all-electric sedan completely dominated the 130 class of the Targa West Rally, ending the race nearly 10 minutes ahead of a lineup of fossil fuel-powered competitors. The Model 3 Performance was driven by Jurgen and Helen Lunsmann, veteran racers who drove the vehicle over four days to complete the 1,000 km race.

Interestingly enough, the Model 3 Performance, which was racing for West Australian EV charging business Gemtek, is the first all-electric car to dominate the Targa West Rally’s 130 class (130 km/hr speed limited) in such a definitive fashion. So impressive was the Model 3 Performance that it actually beat the times of cars that were competing in the 165 class, which allowed vehicles to go as fast as 165 km/hr. The Tesla still dominated the winner of the 165 class by over 4 minutes."

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3 ... lly-video/
Yeah, electric motor and battery technology has made significant advances in the past twenty years or so. I wonder if a Tesla charge lasts longer than a full tank of gas. Winning any race by ten minutes is unheard of; ten seconds would be remarkable among a group of conventional cars. Aside; too bad trump and the idiots in the GOP prefer subsidizing the oil industry to the tune of tens of millions a year rather than investing in the alternatives. Oil companies have been getting these government subsidies for a century now with no end in sight.
Wiki, may not be fully up to date:
Tesla Model 3

... The Model 3 Standard Range Plus version delivers an EPA-rated all-electric range of 263 miles (423 km) and the Long Range versions deliver 353 miles (568 km)....

Specifications table

Full charge time (10% -> 90%) - 6 hours or more.
Interesting.....a one thousand kilometer race (about 620 miles) would require at least two charging stops....so twelve hours. Hell, that's one eighth the length of the four day "race" so it makes me wonder where the hell the gas powered cars were during that time. Did they have to stop to accomodate the Tesla? And I can get 263 miles from a tank of gas so the ranges are about the same.
Lots of different ways to charge. Typical charging stations take about 20 minutes, there are fast chargers that charge quicker. My home charger takes about 4 hours from near empty, but typically we are hooking up at last use to top off the charge.
Before we installed it we charged from our clothes dryer outlet at about 8 hours. You can also charge from a wall outlet in about 24 hours.

I bet there are ways to setup for faster charging in a race. Could they used multiple chargers at the same time - I don't know.
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billy.pilgrim wrote:
Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:43 pm
neoplacebo wrote:
Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:51 pm
billy.pilgrim wrote:
Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:18 am
Not bad for a little electric family car.



"The Tesla Model 3 Performance has proven itself to be a rather frightening force in rallies, after the all-electric sedan completely dominated the 130 class of the Targa West Rally, ending the race nearly 10 minutes ahead of a lineup of fossil fuel-powered competitors. The Model 3 Performance was driven by Jurgen and Helen Lunsmann, veteran racers who drove the vehicle over four days to complete the 1,000 km race.

Interestingly enough, the Model 3 Performance, which was racing for West Australian EV charging business Gemtek, is the first all-electric car to dominate the Targa West Rally’s 130 class (130 km/hr speed limited) in such a definitive fashion. So impressive was the Model 3 Performance that it actually beat the times of cars that were competing in the 165 class, which allowed vehicles to go as fast as 165 km/hr. The Tesla still dominated the winner of the 165 class by over 4 minutes."

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3 ... lly-video/
Yeah, electric motor and battery technology has made significant advances in the past twenty years or so. I wonder if a Tesla charge lasts longer than a full tank of gas. Winning any race by ten minutes is unheard of; ten seconds would be remarkable among a group of conventional cars. Aside; too bad trump and the idiots in the GOP prefer subsidizing the oil industry to the tune of tens of millions a year rather than investing in the alternatives. Oil companies have been getting these government subsidies for a century now with no end in sight.
All depends on the car. I can realistically travel 250 miles, but that is reduced when traveling due to charging station locations. That problem won't last much longer.
Range is also less on the highway than city.
My Tacoma does a tad better at about 260/tank.

The hummer a few posts back (that can go sideways) has a 500 mile range.
Curious that you go farther, or have more battery life in the city than on the highway. I suppose that means that speed is not a factor with regard to battery life. I would have guessed the life would be equal in both cases since an electric motor runs on volts at a constant rate of voltage......an electric motor will slow down proportionally with a reduction in voltage; the less volts, the slower an electric motor will run. And if you really want to ride the dragon kick those volts up and that bastard will speed up to the point it welds itself to the windings.

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Lots of different ways to charge. Typical charging stations take about 20 minutes, there are fast chargers that charge quicker. My home charger takes about 4 hours from near empty, but typically we are hooking up at last use to top off the charge.
Before we installed it we charged from our clothes dryer outlet at about 8 hours. You can also charge from a wall outlet in about 24 hours.

I bet there are ways to setup for faster charging in a race. Could they used multiple chargers at the same time - I don't know.
Thanks. I thought that I'd seen awhile ago that one could grab a meal while charging, then go. So, Wiki's "6 hours" surprised me. I guess that's referring to the home charging that you discuss.
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neoplacebo wrote:
Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:52 pm
billy.pilgrim wrote:
Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:43 pm
neoplacebo wrote:
Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:51 pm
billy.pilgrim wrote:
Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:18 am
Not bad for a little electric family car.



"The Tesla Model 3 Performance has proven itself to be a rather frightening force in rallies, after the all-electric sedan completely dominated the 130 class of the Targa West Rally, ending the race nearly 10 minutes ahead of a lineup of fossil fuel-powered competitors. The Model 3 Performance was driven by Jurgen and Helen Lunsmann, veteran racers who drove the vehicle over four days to complete the 1,000 km race.

Interestingly enough, the Model 3 Performance, which was racing for West Australian EV charging business Gemtek, is the first all-electric car to dominate the Targa West Rally’s 130 class (130 km/hr speed limited) in such a definitive fashion. So impressive was the Model 3 Performance that it actually beat the times of cars that were competing in the 165 class, which allowed vehicles to go as fast as 165 km/hr. The Tesla still dominated the winner of the 165 class by over 4 minutes."

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3 ... lly-video/
Yeah, electric motor and battery technology has made significant advances in the past twenty years or so. I wonder if a Tesla charge lasts longer than a full tank of gas. Winning any race by ten minutes is unheard of; ten seconds would be remarkable among a group of conventional cars. Aside; too bad trump and the idiots in the GOP prefer subsidizing the oil industry to the tune of tens of millions a year rather than investing in the alternatives. Oil companies have been getting these government subsidies for a century now with no end in sight.
All depends on the car. I can realistically travel 250 miles, but that is reduced when traveling due to charging station locations. That problem won't last much longer.
Range is also less on the highway than city.
My Tacoma does a tad better at about 260/tank.

The hummer a few posts back (that can go sideways) has a 500 mile range.
Curious that you go farther, or have more battery life in the city than on the highway. I suppose that means that speed is not a factor with regard to battery life. I would have guessed the life would be equal in both cases since an electric motor runs on volts at a constant rate of voltage......an electric motor will slow down proportionally with a reduction in voltage; the less volts, the slower an electric motor will run. And if you really want to ride the dragon kick those volts up and that bastard will speed up to the point it welds itself to the windings.
I don't know for sure but I'm pretty sure it's due to the regenerative braking, which also means that the motors do the breaking; therefore, no wear on the brakes. Estimates are a million miles on brakes. I rarely ever touch the brakes above 2 or 3 mph.

This article shows the stats for the new model 3

https://insideevs.com/news/451176/new-t ... fficiency/
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I don't know for sure but I'm pretty sure it's due to the regenerative braking, which also means that the motors do the breaking; therefore, no wear on the brakes. Estimates are a million miles on brakes. I rarely ever touch the brakes above 2 or 3 mph.

This article shows the stats for the new model 3

https://insideevs.com/news/451176/new-t ... fficiency/
Yep. This article is about hybrids, but the same principle applies:

Why Do Hybrid Cars Get Such Great City Gas Mileage?
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I know nothing about electric cars but I know that conventional cars have their battery charged whenever the engine is running via a generator or alternator. Does the same principle not apply to these new fangled lithium batteries? And is there a braking effect on the Tesla at all times when no power is being applied to the drive motors?

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I know nothing about electric cars but I know that conventional cars have their battery charged whenever the engine is running via a generator or alternator. Does the same principle not apply to these new fangled lithium batteries? And is there a braking effect on the Tesla at all times when no power is being applied to the drive motors?
I'll let Tesla explain.

"In a battery-powered electric vehicle, regenerative braking (also called regen) is the conversion of the vehicle’s kinetic energy into chemical energy stored in the battery, where it can be used later to drive the vehicle. It is braking because it also serves to slow the vehicle. It is regenerative because the energy is recaptured in the battery where it can be used again."

"There are a number of subjective decisions we have to make concerning the regen profile. Some people like regen to work all the way to 0 mph, bringing the car to a complete stop. Others like to coast that last 2 to 3 mph."

I'll let it go to zero if no one is ahead of me, but I just can't do it with a car stopped in front of me.


https://www.tesla.com/blog/magic-tesla- ... ve-braking
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billy.pilgrim wrote:
Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:41 pm
neoplacebo wrote:
Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:05 pm
I know nothing about electric cars but I know that conventional cars have their battery charged whenever the engine is running via a generator or alternator. Does the same principle not apply to these new fangled lithium batteries? And is there a braking effect on the Tesla at all times when no power is being applied to the drive motors?
I'll let Tesla explain.

"In a battery-powered electric vehicle, regenerative braking (also called regen) is the conversion of the vehicle’s kinetic energy into chemical energy stored in the battery, where it can be used later to drive the vehicle. It is braking because it also serves to slow the vehicle. It is regenerative because the energy is recaptured in the battery where it can be used again."

"There are a number of subjective decisions we have to make concerning the regen profile. Some people like regen to work all the way to 0 mph, bringing the car to a complete stop. Others like to coast that last 2 to 3 mph."

I'll let it go to zero if no one is ahead of me, but I just can't do it with a car stopped in front of me.


https://www.tesla.com/blog/magic-tesla- ... ve-braking
I can descend a mile long 45 degree slope in first gear in my car and not have to use brakes until maybe the last hundred feet of it. I understand what you're saying but what I don't understand is why they can't utilize that regenerative "charge" all the time like a conventional car does. After all, the "kinetic energy" at highway speed has to be greater than it is in city driving. Maybe they're working on it. After all, most advanced textbooks about electricity still have the word "theory" in the title. I bet if Nikola Tesla was still around he'd fix this. I've been in awe of him like the trump cult is in awe of trump. But there's a big difference.

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I can descend a mile long 45 degree slope in first gear in my car and not have to use brakes until maybe the last hundred feet of it. I understand what you're saying but what I don't understand is why they can't utilize that regenerative "charge" all the time like a conventional car does. After all, the "kinetic energy" at highway speed has to be greater than it is in city driving. Maybe they're working on it. After all, most advanced textbooks about electricity still have the word "theory" in the title. I bet if Nikola Tesla was still around he'd fix this. I've been in awe of him like the trump cult is in awe of trump. But there's a big difference.
My "hybrid-lite" is the same way, rated slightly better for city mpg. One only regenerates on the hwy when going down a steep enough hill that no extra gas need be applied, or at the end of a trip. In the city one regenerates every time one coasts or brakes.
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neoplacebo wrote:
Wed Oct 28, 2020 6:21 pm
billy.pilgrim wrote:
Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:41 pm
neoplacebo wrote:
Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:05 pm
I know nothing about electric cars but I know that conventional cars have their battery charged whenever the engine is running via a generator or alternator. Does the same principle not apply to these new fangled lithium batteries? And is there a braking effect on the Tesla at all times when no power is being applied to the drive motors?
I'll let Tesla explain.

"In a battery-powered electric vehicle, regenerative braking (also called regen) is the conversion of the vehicle’s kinetic energy into chemical energy stored in the battery, where it can be used later to drive the vehicle. It is braking because it also serves to slow the vehicle. It is regenerative because the energy is recaptured in the battery where it can be used again."

"There are a number of subjective decisions we have to make concerning the regen profile. Some people like regen to work all the way to 0 mph, bringing the car to a complete stop. Others like to coast that last 2 to 3 mph."

I'll let it go to zero if no one is ahead of me, but I just can't do it with a car stopped in front of me.


https://www.tesla.com/blog/magic-tesla- ... ve-braking
I can descend a mile long 45 degree slope in first gear in my car and not have to use brakes until maybe the last hundred feet of it. I understand what you're saying but what I don't understand is why they can't utilize that regenerative "charge" all the time like a conventional car does. After all, the "kinetic energy" at highway speed has to be greater than it is in city driving. Maybe they're working on it. After all, most advanced textbooks about electricity still have the word "theory" in the title. I bet if Nikola Tesla was still around he'd fix this. I've been in awe of him like the trump cult is in awe of trump. But there's a big difference.
The car's kinetic energy that charges your car battery is based on the gasoline engine pushing the car while the battery is being charged.

An electric car gets all of its momentum from the electric motors. If you used momentum to recharge the battery you would be either slowing the car or requiring additional battery power in addition to what you needed to maintain your speed.
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I can descend a mile long 45 degree slope in first gear in my car and not have to use brakes until maybe the last hundred feet of it. I understand what you're saying but what I don't understand is why they can't utilize that regenerative "charge" all the time like a conventional car does. After all, the "kinetic energy" at highway speed has to be greater than it is in city driving. Maybe they're working on it. After all, most advanced textbooks about electricity still have the word "theory" in the title. I bet if Nikola Tesla was still around he'd fix this. I've been in awe of him like the trump cult is in awe of trump. But there's a big difference.
My "hybrid-lite" is the same way, rated slightly better for city mpg. One only regenerates on the hwy when going down a steep enough hill that no extra gas need be applied, or at the end of a trip. In the city one regenerates every time one coasts or brakes.
It took a week or so to get used to, but there's no coasting in a Tesla. Let off the accelerator and you come to a stop very quickly.
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billy.pilgrim wrote:
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Vrede too wrote:
Wed Oct 28, 2020 7:17 pm
neoplacebo wrote:
Wed Oct 28, 2020 6:21 pm
I can descend a mile long 45 degree slope in first gear in my car and not have to use brakes until maybe the last hundred feet of it. I understand what you're saying but what I don't understand is why they can't utilize that regenerative "charge" all the time like a conventional car does. After all, the "kinetic energy" at highway speed has to be greater than it is in city driving. Maybe they're working on it. After all, most advanced textbooks about electricity still have the word "theory" in the title. I bet if Nikola Tesla was still around he'd fix this. I've been in awe of him like the trump cult is in awe of trump. But there's a big difference.
My "hybrid-lite" is the same way, rated slightly better for city mpg. One only regenerates on the hwy when going down a steep enough hill that no extra gas need be applied, or at the end of a trip. In the city one regenerates every time one coasts or brakes.
It took a week or so to get used to, but there's no coasting in a Tesla. Let off the accelerator and you come to a stop very quickly.
Ah, that's what I was wondering about. I imagine that takes some getting used to. Not sure I would get the hang of it in a week.....

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It took a week or so to get used to, but there's no coasting in a Tesla. Let off the accelerator and you come to a stop very quickly.
Got it. Any regenerative potential is instantly captured for you.
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So they're really high-tech expensive golf carts?

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American car sets new speed record at 331mph for a production car on a public road.
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/ssc- ... 00063.html
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So they're really high-tech expensive golf carts?
Or golf carts are cheap elec cars that can't go 162 mph.
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Vrede too wrote:
Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:47 pm
neoplacebo wrote:
Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:17 pm
American car sets new speed record at 331mph for a production car on a public road.
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/ssc- ... 00063.html
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neoplacebo wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:32 am
Vrede too wrote:
Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:47 pm
neoplacebo wrote:
Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:17 pm
American car sets new speed record at 331mph for a production car on a public road.
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/ssc- ... 00063.html
I see that you've joined the resistance in PA:
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:lol: Yeah, those stolen Corvettes will go anywhere....even through a fence. Another crime of opportunity which the cat fan will not notice.
Should of had a Tesla.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ieves.html
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O Really wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:43 am
So they're really high-tech expensive golf carts?
Much cheaper washing machine destroys Lamborghini Huracan

https://youtu.be/HwL37-CrSpc
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