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Agony of Defeat

Unread post by O Really » Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:16 pm

Just when you think it can't get any worse for England...
https://wwwtheguardian.com/football/201 ... tch-report

Iceland 2 England 1

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Unread post by Vrede too » Tue Jun 28, 2016 8:10 am

They're calling it "Brexit 2". :D
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Unread post by O Really » Wed Aug 31, 2016 1:05 pm

OK, so Hope Solo is a short fused hothead who showed remarkable unsportsmanlike conduct (at least by pretend Olympic standards) following their loss to Sweden. OK, so she's 37 or so and didn't manage to pull out the championship game, not entirely her fault. It's not like she can score or anything. Still.
She's the best woman goalie ever to play the game, apparently, and has been a backbone of the team for 17 years. I think they shafted her and treated her way worse than her transgressions deserved. Maybe they thought she was old. Maybe they were upset that they didn't win and she was a convenient scapegoat. Who knows. But she deserved better.

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Unread post by Vrede too » Wed Aug 31, 2016 3:55 pm

She's 35. Does Ms. O Really know that she's from Richland, Washington and was a Husky? I didn't.

I don't know. 1st or 2nd ugliest American in Rio counts for something, definitely 1st if you only count sports-related transgressions. Her own teammates were disowning her. I haven't followed it that closely, but I also believe it's for cumulative behavior. Plus, she did lose the Colombia game - I would have been shamed by that goal when I started playing in high school.

I can see a 6 month suspension, it just happens to probably be career-ending at her age, if even that. I suspect she has a path to redemption. I may have missed it, but I haven't heard that she's apologized to Sweden, her team and America yet.
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Unread post by O Really » Wed Aug 31, 2016 6:12 pm

Yes, she knows Solo is a fellow Husky. But she doesn't care. She disagrees with my opinion and thinks Hope Solo is a foul-tempered wench with anger issues and deserves to be booted. Could they not have levied a fine or something? Keep her on the team and sit her for a couple of games? Whatever, I think she was treated shabbily for all she's contributed to the team over the years.

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Unread post by Vrede too » Wed Aug 31, 2016 11:15 pm

I don't know their options. Maybes:
Passive suspension is easier than aggressive penalties.
They think Sollo needs a break, at least, and reflection.
Worries over militant Swedes booing at every northern prairie game.
Corporate sponsor influence.

I wonder if she has a Vick-like recovery in her. Not that she was as bad, but it'll take effort on her part. Anger management rehab? It'll be nice if she finds her way back and then retires on a positive note.
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Unread post by O Really » Wed Aug 31, 2016 11:25 pm

I think she was guilty of rudeness in poor sportsmanship. Pretty much the same to me as a cheap hit and taunting, except nobody got injured. The game was over, her bad behaviour cost the team nothing but some minor embarrassment. But still, I bet if they'd won and she saved the win with a stop in the last minute that she could have called the Swedes anything she wanted and all would be forgiven.

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Unread post by Vrede too » Wed Aug 31, 2016 11:45 pm

We may disagree on "minor", especially on the biggest stage. Yeah, you can win and often be a jerk. It's harder to lose and get away with being a jerk.

I'm not quite as radical as Ms. O Really. I'm mostly disappointed in Solo and would have also been okay with alternate punishments.
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Unread post by Seth Milner » Thu Sep 01, 2016 8:14 am

Hope Solo has discovered what happens when you become a Hopeless Assho.
Her latter retort of "17 f***ing years, yada" didn't help her image either.
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Unread post by O Really » Thu Sep 01, 2016 8:40 am

Seth Milner wrote:Hope Solo has discovered what happens when you become a Hopeless Assho.
Her latter retort of "17 f***ing years, yada" didn't help her image either.
Entitlement --- a bitch of the times.
So what else would she have had to do in 17 years to be entitled to better treatment? Oh, yeah. Just stop that last goal. Anyway, there are many "Hopeless Assho's" in pro-level sports that don't get dumped.

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O Really wrote:
Seth Milner wrote:Hope Solo has discovered what happens when you become a Hopeless Assho.
Her latter retort of "17 f***ing years, yada" didn't help her image either.
Entitlement --- a bitch of the times.
So what else would she have had to do in 17 years to be entitled to better treatment? Oh, yeah. Just stop that last goal. Anyway, there are many "Hopeless Assho's" in pro-level sports that don't get dumped.
Never mind the fact that the Olympics are supposed to be the ultimate in global good will and sportsmanship.
Hope Solo merely exposed her "f**k 'em", entitled attitude so typical in American sports today; pro and semi-pro level.
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Unread post by O Really » Thu Sep 01, 2016 9:40 am

Vrede too wrote:We may disagree on "minor", especially on the biggest stage. Yeah, you can win and often be a jerk. It's harder to lose and get away with being a jerk.

I'm not quite as radical as Ms. O Really. I'm mostly disappointed in Solo and would have also been okay with alternate punishments.
I'm not defending what she said. It was poor sportsmanship and unprofessional, and rude and all that. But the substance of what she said isn't any different from what UNC opponents said back in the day of "4 corners." Afraid to play...can't run with a good team...yada. Sure, she could have said something like, "Sweden is a good team, and I was disappointed that they chose a slow-down strategy that resulted in a championship game being decided by multiple free kicks, but a win is a win so congratulations are due." Or, she could have just stayed silent. Uh, right.

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Unread post by O Really » Thu Sep 01, 2016 9:43 am

Seth Milner wrote:
O Really wrote:
Seth Milner wrote:Hope Solo has discovered what happens when you become a Hopeless Assho.
Her latter retort of "17 f***ing years, yada" didn't help her image either.
Entitlement --- a bitch of the times.
So what else would she have had to do in 17 years to be entitled to better treatment? Oh, yeah. Just stop that last goal. Anyway, there are many "Hopeless Assho's" in pro-level sports that don't get dumped.
Never mind the fact that the Olympics are supposed to be the ultimate in global good will and sportsmanship.
Hope Solo merely exposed her "f**k 'em", entitled attitude so typical in American sports today; pro and semi-pro level.
Yeah, and fans love that attitude when they win, don't they Richard Sherman, Beast Mode, A-Rod, Neon Dion, et. al.? Not so much if they get old and lose.

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Unread post by Vrede too » Thu Sep 01, 2016 11:55 am

Like it or not, it's different when one plays poorly, loses and does American-style trash talk in the Olympics while playing the world's most popular sport. If she had called an opposing US team "cowards", few would have noticed - maybe one local report on page C7, no national or international coverage, almost none of the locals even bothering to read the local article.

Also, all of your examples are men. For better or worse, we don't expect women to be crybaby jerks like men are.

On the positive side for us, in some nations she would have been ambushed and shot for the poor play alone.
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Unread post by O Really » Thu Sep 01, 2016 3:20 pm

Speaking of losing...I didn't ever work for the firm, but I knew a place where, if somebody lost a case everybody in the office piled dirty socks on their desk so they could "smell de feet" :lol:

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Unread post by Vrede too » Wed Sep 14, 2016 9:52 am

Vrede too wrote:... I can see a 6 month suspension, it just happens to probably be career-ending at her age, if even that. I suspect she has a path to redemption....
I guess not career-ending.

U.S. Soccer reinstates Hope Solo to roster ahead of Algarve Cup
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Unread post by O Really » Wed Sep 14, 2016 10:34 am

Ummm, that article was from February, 2015, when she was in minor trouble for something else.

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Unread post by Vrede too » Wed Sep 14, 2016 10:49 am

:lol: :oops:
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Unread post by billy.pilgrim » Mon Sep 19, 2016 1:49 pm

oops, thought this was about Auburn
George Carlin said “The owners know the truth. It’s called the American dream because you have to be asleep to believe it.”

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Re: Agony of Defeat

Unread post by O Really » Mon Sep 19, 2016 6:28 pm

billy.pilgrim wrote:oops, thought this was about Auburn
Seems to fit.

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