sex, lies and where was the ncaa and emmert

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Unread post by Vrede too » Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:43 pm

billy.pilgrim wrote:
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The MSU president is gone, I'm not sure who else.
Yeah, people come and go. Not really a big deal.

Not saying they are worse than others - only that it's time for an example.

End all sports there, or just take away their accreditation. Other schools will immediately pay attention.
There's also criminal charges to make them notice. No mention of NCAA accountability, but:
Ex-Michigan State president charged with lying to police about Larry Nassar

Former Michigan State University President Lou Anna Simon has been charged with lying to police conducting an investigation of Larry Nassar’s sexual abuse.

Simon, who resigned in January over the scandal, was charged Tuesday with two felonies and two misdemeanors.

She is now the fourth person other than Nassar to face criminal charges related to his serial molestation of young female athletes under the guise of treatment. Numerous other people have lost their jobs or been sued....

If convicted, Simon faces up to four years in prison....
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Vrede too wrote:
Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:43 pm
billy.pilgrim wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 9:37 am
Vrede too wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 9:33 am
The MSU president is gone, I'm not sure who else.
Yeah, people come and go. Not really a big deal.

Not saying they are worse than others - only that it's time for an example.

End all sports there, or just take away their accreditation. Other schools will immediately pay attention.
There's also criminal charges to make them notice. No mention of NCAA accountability, but:
Ex-Michigan State president charged with lying to police about Larry Nassar

Former Michigan State University President Lou Anna Simon has been charged with lying to police conducting an investigation of Larry Nassar’s sexual abuse.

Simon, who resigned in January over the scandal, was charged Tuesday with two felonies and two misdemeanors.

She is now the fourth person other than Nassar to face criminal charges related to his serial molestation of young female athletes under the guise of treatment. Numerous other people have lost their jobs or been sued....

If convicted, Simon faces up to four years in prison....
others will pay attention if it's 4 years
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Unread post by O Really » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:53 pm

She'll plead to some misdemeanor and get turned loose. Maybe less a little money. Maybe some community service or probation. No way they're going to send a white collar white female to jail for four years over lying to the cops. Now if she was black and male...

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O Really wrote:
Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:53 pm
She'll plead to some misdemeanor and get turned loose. Maybe less a little money. Maybe some community service or probation. No way they're going to send a white collar white female to jail for four years over lying to the cops. Now if she was black and male...
I make no predictions, but with the international outrage and the victims being scores of mostly white girls . . .
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Unread post by O Really » Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:41 pm

Vrede too wrote:
Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:55 pm
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Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:53 pm
She'll plead to some misdemeanor and get turned loose. Maybe less a little money. Maybe some community service or probation. No way they're going to send a white collar white female to jail for four years over lying to the cops. Now if she was black and male...
I make no predictions, but with the international outrage and the victims being scores of mostly white girls . . .
"International outrage" in some circles, I suppose, but in the overall scheme of things it's just one more on the pile of pervert priests, dead kids, criminally corrupt politicians, and Bobby Bones ferpetesake winning Dancing with Stars.

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Unread post by Vrede too » Tue Nov 20, 2018 10:09 pm

O Really wrote:
Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:41 pm
"International outrage" in some circles, I suppose, but in the overall scheme of things it's just one more on the pile of pervert priests, dead kids, criminally corrupt politicians, and Bobby Bones ferpetesake winning Dancing with Stars.
True, but we're talking about one DA and maybe one judge and 12 jurors that will be dealing with THIS abomination, not all of those other ones. We'll see.

My mistake, it was "hundreds" of victims.

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True, but we're talking about one DA and maybe one judge and 12 jurors that will be dealing with THIS abomination, not all of those other ones. We'll see.
Yes, and I know - different time and place - but how many actually went to jail for the Penn State mess? I think that would be only the direct doer, Sandusky.


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:oops: OK, so I was wrong. Once in a lifetime isn't too bad. :lol:

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:oops: OK, so I was wrong. Once in a lifetime isn't too bad. :lol:
Hillary. :P
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Vrede too wrote:
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:oops: OK, so I was wrong. Once in a lifetime isn't too bad. :lol:
Hillary. :P
That was a whole lifetime ago.

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:lol: :thumbup:
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U.S. Gymnastics, reeling from abuse scandal, files for bankruptcy

USA Gymnastics, the sport's governing body, filed for bankruptcy on Wednesday, the latest blow for an organization that has struggled to recover from scandal after former national team doctor Larry Nassar sexually abused hundreds of gymnasts.

The organization filed for protection from creditors in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Indianapolis, according to court records.

"Our organization is a financially solid going concern but for the hundred lawsuits that we do have out there," Kathryn Carson, the chairwoman of the USAG board, said on a conference call with reporters. "That is the primary reason that we made this filing, to use the Chapter 11 process as a vehicle for resolving those claims." ...
Translation: We're going to keep making money, after we further damage the abused girls.
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U.S. Gymnastics, reeling from abuse scandal, files for bankruptcy

USA Gymnastics, the sport's governing body, filed for bankruptcy on Wednesday, the latest blow for an organization that has struggled to recover from scandal after former national team doctor Larry Nassar sexually abused hundreds of gymnasts.

The organization filed for protection from creditors in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Indianapolis, according to court records.

"Our organization is a financially solid going concern but for the hundred lawsuits that we do have out there," Kathryn Carson, the chairwoman of the USAG board, said on a conference call with reporters. "That is the primary reason that we made this filing, to use the Chapter 11 process as a vehicle for resolving those claims." ...
Translation: We're going to keep making money, after we further damage the abused girls.
You missed your calling. Spot on translation.
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billy.pilgrim wrote:
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You missed your calling. Spot on translation.
Another one bites the dust after less than a year on the job:
(GOP) Ex-Michigan governor says he will resign university post in Nassar fallout

Michigan State University’s interim president John Engler said on Wednesday he would resign following renewed criticism of how he handled the fallout from the sex abuse scandal involving sports doctor Larry Nassar.

... Board chair Dianne Byrum had called a meeting on Thursday to discuss firing Engler, a three-time former governor of Michigan, after he told the Detroit News that some of Nassar’s victims were “enjoying” being in the spotlight....

Several board members have spoken out against Engler over his treatment of Nassar’s victims.

Michigan State’s Board of Trustees president Dianne Byrum said on Twitter on Friday, after the Detroit News published Engler’s interview, “John Engler does not speak for the Board and does not have a vote.”

MSU board member Brian Mosallam tweeted on Wednesday: “JOHN ENGLER’S REIGN OF TERROR IS OVER....
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Unread post by Vrede too » Sun Jan 20, 2019 1:42 pm

She Warned MSU About Larry Nassar. Now She Wants To Fix The System That Silenced Her.
Amanda Thomashow filed a Title IX complaint against the Michigan State University team trainer in 2014 — but no one listened.


... It wasn’t until two years later, when a second woman filed a Title IX report with MSU complaining about Nassar’s behavior, that the school took a better look at her accusations. The university found that Thomashow had been right about Nassar all along....

“Being in that courtroom, I felt the purpose of my life shifting,” she told me, a year almost to the day after the historic sentencing that put Nassar behind bars for 40 to 175 years.

“I lived for years wondering if I was alone, if he had hurt other people, hoping that he hadn’t,” she said. “But then, all of a sudden, I was sitting there with hundreds of other survivors and I thought: I have to stop this. I have to do everything I can to stop this from ever happening again.”

... Today, Thomashow is a campus sexual assault coordinator for the Michigan Domestic and Sexual Violence Prevention and Treatment Board. She collaborates with colleges across the state to create sexual violence prevention programming, and works on centering survivors in each project she pursues. Fittingly, Thomashow works with victims from Michigan State, the same campus where she was assaulted.

“It appears that we as a society favor money over human lives, and our rules reinforce that,” Thomashow said as our conversation veered toward Betsy DeVos’ new Title IX guidelines, which the education secretary proposed in November.

The proposal prioritizes schools and institutions over sexual assault victims by making it harder to report gender-based violence. One of the key provisions many have criticized is that universities would only be responsible for misconduct that occurs on campus.

Under these new guidelines, Thomashow would not have been able to file her 2014 Title IX complaint, one of the key developments that led to Nassar’s downfall.

“I was a block away from campus in an MSU building, with an MSU doctor, as an MSU student, with an MSU resident that was asked to leave the room right before I was assaulted,” she said. “But it wasn’t in the capacity as a student, and it wasn’t on campus, so the university would have been able to shirk responsibility for my abuse under the new guidelines.”

Nassar could still be practicing medicine today if those guidelines were in place while she was a student. And that’s why, Thomashow said, she continues to do the work she does....
FU, Betsy DeVos.
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