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... and does it matter if the cheating contributed to the losses?

How would you know, really? Sure it should help if you knew the next pitch was going to be a slider, but you still have to hit it. And your pitcher still has to get the other team out. And players can't drop infield flies or fumble a ball at the warning strip, or strike out. I think there are way too many variable to say definitively that without the stolen signals the Dodgers would have won.

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Should the Astros lose their World Series title?

I'm not making any predictions, but the Los Angeles Dodgers COULD win the 2017 and 2018 World Series titles.
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Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:50 pm
If they took away the title, would they not just vacate it? I don't think they ought to give it to the losing team.
Idk. What's happened to Bowl records when colleges have gotten the death penalty, and does it matter if the cheating contributed to the losses?

If I was an LAD fan I would claim that title, regardless ;) .
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Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:23 pm
How would you know, really? Sure it should help if you knew the next pitch was going to be a slider, but you still have to hit it. And your pitcher still has to get the other team out. And players can't drop infield flies or fumble a ball at the warning strip, or strike out. I think there are way too many variable to say definitively that without the stolen signals the Dodgers would have won.
You wouldn't, but I THINK if a team is caught cheating during a game it's assumed that it affected the outcome, a forfeit is called and the victimized team wins.

I'm pretty sure that in the Olympics, horse and auto racing cheaters are DQed and the #2s are declared the winners.
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I'm pretty sure that in the Olympics, horse and auto racing cheaters are DQed and the #2s are declared the winners.
Horse racing, yes. Nascar usually just fines them money and points, but they also say "If you ain't cheatin' you ain't tryin'" so maybe they're the odd one out. Dunno about F1 and Indy. Tour de France vacated Armstrong's titles without giving it to someone else, but twice since has give the title to the runner-up.

I don't care much either way, but I'd probably vote for just stripping the title and taking back anything that came from the win.

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... I don't care much either way, but I'd probably vote for just stripping the title and taking back anything that came from the win.
I don't care, either, just wondering 'What if?'
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Nah, there won't be a decline in ticket sales.
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If baseball ever manages to have a season this year, it'll be fun to watch managers and umpires argue while social distancing.
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If baseball ever manages to have a season this year, it'll be fun to watch managers and umpires argue while social distancing.
Are you watching the ESPN 30 for 30 about the 1998 McGwire-Sosa single season home run record chase? I'm not, I remember being somewhat excited at the time, but then got bummed out by McGwire's admitted and Sosa's suspected steroid use.
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It never bothered me one way or another who did or didn't use steroids. If a guy's willing to risk his health, shrink his nuts, and possibly shorten his life, in order to get a marginal and questionable advantage is his sport, then go for it.

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If baseball ever manages to have a season this year, it'll be fun to watch managers and umpires argue while social distancing.
Are you watching the ESPN 30 for 30 about the 1998 McGwire-Sosa single season home run record chase? I'm not, I remember being somewhat excited at the time, but then got bummed out by McGwire's admitted and Sosa's suspected steroid use.
I've got it recorded, haven't watched yet.
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If baseball ever manages to have a season this year, it'll be fun to watch managers and umpires argue while social distancing.
Are you watching the ESPN 30 for 30 about the 1998 McGwire-Sosa single season home run record chase? I'm not, I remember being somewhat excited at the time, but then got bummed out by McGwire's admitted and Sosa's suspected steroid use.
Pretty good, not great. Didn't really capture the excitement well. Didn't enjoy the modern scenery shots trying to pass off as part of the history.

The last ten minutes sadly had to be told.

Never mentioned, home runs were prolific all over baseball at that time. Everyone thought the ball was juiced, not the players.

Bob Costas is the poet of baseball.

Sammy is still a weird egostistical dude, but he was worshipped in Chicago until the corked bat. That was the beginning of the end.
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Pretty good, not great. Didn't really capture the excitement well. Didn't enjoy the modern scenery shots trying to pass off as part of the history.

The last ten minutes sadly had to be told.

Never mentioned, home runs were prolific all over baseball at that time. Everyone thought the ball was juiced, not the players.

Bob Costas is the poet of baseball.

Sammy is still a weird egotistical dude, but he was worshipped in Chicago until the corked bat. That was the beginning of the end.
Thanks, doesn't sound like I want to catch a rerun. Maybe if nothing else is on.
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Pretty good, not great. Didn't really capture the excitement well. Didn't enjoy the modern scenery shots trying to pass off as part of the history.

The last ten minutes sadly had to be told.

Never mentioned, home runs were prolific all over baseball at that time. Everyone thought the ball was juiced, not the players.

Bob Costas is the poet of baseball.

Sammy is still a weird egostistical dude, but he was worshipped in Chicago until the corked bat. That was the beginning of the end.
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Filmmaker Alex Gibney investigates the infamous moment when spectator Steve Bartman deflected a foul ball during a 2003 Chicago Cubs playoff game and became the target of angry fans when the Cubs lost not only the game but the series.
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GoCubsGo wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:20 pm
Pretty good, not great. Didn't really capture the excitement well. Didn't enjoy the modern scenery shots trying to pass off as part of the history.

The last ten minutes sadly had to be told.

Never mentioned, home runs were prolific all over baseball at that time. Everyone thought the ball was juiced, not the players.

Bob Costas is the poet of baseball.

Sammy is still a weird egostistical dude, but he was worshipped in Chicago until the corked bat. That was the beginning of the end.
Catching Hell
tonight, 9:00 PM ET on ESPN 61, 2 hrs 2011 NR

Filmmaker Alex Gibney investigates the infamous moment when spectator Steve Bartman deflected a foul ball during a 2003 Chicago Cubs playoff game and became the target of angry fans when the Cubs lost not only the game but the series.
Sadly, there is probably nothing there for me to learn.
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Guess we're all going to have to take up birdwatching or something.

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Hope it comes with a Garden Center.



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Woo hoo!

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Woo hoo!
It'll be weird without fans. Good luck this year.


Cleveland Indians to determine 'best path forward' on name
The baseball team, long criticized over a logo that it dropped last year, suggested it may be exploring changing its name.


Not as bad as the DC nickname, but there's been unfortunate history that may be best left entirely behind.

I know that a lot of the changes have been opportunistic or superficial, and that others have been misguided, but it's still a pretty amazing summer.
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Woo hoo!
It'll be weird without fans. Good luck this year.


Cleveland Indians to determine 'best path forward' on name
The baseball team, long criticized over a logo that it dropped last year, suggested it may be exploring changing its name.


Not as bad as the DC nickname, but there's been unfortunate history that may be best left entirely behind.

I know that a lot of the changes have been opportunistic or superficial, and that others have been misguided, but it's still a pretty amazing summer.
Still not convinced there will be baseball ⚾, but I'm hoping.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/294 ... ound-tests
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Still not convinced there will be baseball ⚾, but I'm hoping.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/294 ... ound-tests
When there's enough money for regular testing, aggressive contact tracing and effective quarantining - which is what the entire nation needs - anything is possible.
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Fri Jul 03, 2020 11:04 pm
Still not convinced there will be baseball ⚾, but I'm hoping.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/294 ... ound-tests
When there's enough money for regular testing, aggressive contact tracing and effective quarantining - which is what the entire nation needs - anything is possible.
Cubs team meeting today :|

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