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President* Trump (Conservatively speaking)

Unread post by Oliver! » Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:15 am

Never in our history has a president done so much to divide this country.
Never in our history (I don't think) has a president been involved in childish name-calling with the leader of another country. (dotard --- hahaha!)
Never in our history--- never mind, you all know.

This man is deranged; I honestly can't see why there isn't some reason he can't be removed from office, and that's my conservative thought.

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Re: President* Trump (Conservatively speaking)

Unread post by billy.pilgrim » Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:44 am

So why did you vote for him? Was it the Birther issue?
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Re: President* Trump (Conservatively speaking)

Unread post by rstrong » Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:15 am

Oliver! wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:15 am
...and that's my conservative thought.
Trump is just the natural progression of the what happened in the Republican Party in the previous decade.

Refusing to negotiate let alone pass ANYTHING the other party wanted - even when they were trying to pass what had been Republican policy - was brand new. There was nothing "conservative" about it.

The old religious right may be conservative, but Rick Santorum, Mike Huckabee and the other con-men that hijacked the movement were not.

The whole Tea Party movement was anti-conservative. The Sarah Palin movement was anything but conservative.

Then Ted Cruz came along. The Tea Party was already anti-Democrat, anti-minority, anti-Washington establishment. Cruz preached anti-Republican establishment, and rallied the Tea Partiers to boot those he deemed RINO from office. His Stalinist purge had a lot of success; getting rid of some traditional conservatives, and getting other to shut up lest they be targeted. Cruz was no less divisive than Trump.

But Cruz was as Republican establishment as it gets, so he was replaced with a true Republican establishment outsider. The Tea Party morphed into the anti-minority, anti-establishment and anti-traditional-conservativism-by-definition alt-right.

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Re: President* Trump (Conservatively speaking)

Unread post by billy.pilgrim » Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:34 am

:headscratch: in
rstrong wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:15 am
Oliver! wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:15 am
...and that's my conservative thought.
Trump is just the natural progression of the what happened in the Republican Party in the previous decade.

Refusing to negotiate let alone pass ANYTHING the other party wanted - even when they were trying to pass what had been Republican policy - was brand new. There was nothing "conservative" about it.

The old religious right may be conservative, but Rick Santorum, Mike Huckabee and the other con-men that hijacked the movement were not.

The whole Tea Party movement was anti-conservative. The Sarah Palin movement was anything but conservative.

Then Ted Cruz came along. The Tea Party was already anti-Democrat, anti-minority, anti-Washington establishment. Cruz preached anti-Republican establishment, and rallied the Tea Partiers to boot those he deemed RINO from office. His Stalinist purge had a lot of success; getting rid of some traditional conservatives, and getting other to shut up lest they be targeted. Cruz was no less divisive than Trump.

But Cruz was as Republican establishment as it gets, so he was replaced with a true Republican establishment outsider. The Tea Party morphed into the anti-minority, anti-establishment and anti-traditional-conservativism-by-definition alt-right.

No different than what happened to Clinton. If they can't get their way, they take the ball and go home.


Hard for me to forget that while they held Congress, the SC and the presidency they started a neverending war and blew up the economy while handing out billions in tax cuts to the rich. Yet we look back on the lil bush days with some degree of longing.


Now they want to start nuclear war that will kill tens of millions and take the ability to have health care from tens of millions of Americans.
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Re: President* Trump (Conservatively speaking)

Unread post by rstrong » Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:38 am

billy.pilgrim wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:44 am
So why did you vote for him? Was it the Birther issue?
I wouldn't mind hearing an honest answer on this one. One thing you CAN'T say about Trump is that his behavior is a surprise. He's 100% consistent with his pre-election behavior. Even the extensive Russian connections were things we were talking about here long before the election.

Just look at our list of Non-Trump Republicans. A large collection of Republican Presidents and presidential candidates, Republicans in Congress, other prominent Republicans and historically Republican and conservative newspapers. Essentially the remaining conservative wing of the Republican Party.

What has he done that's divisive, non-conservative or childish that he wasn't doing before the election?

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Re: President* Trump (Conservatively speaking)

Unread post by billy.pilgrim » Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:42 am

rstrong wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:38 am
billy.pilgrim wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:44 am
So why did you vote for him? Was it the Birther issue?
I wouldn't mind hearing an honest answer on this one. One thing you CAN'T say about Trump is that his behavior is a surprise. He's 100% consistent with his pre-election behavior. Even the extensive Russian connections were things we were talking about here long before the election.

Just look at our list of Non-Trump Republicans. A large collection of Republican Presidents and presidential candidates, Republicans in Congress, other prominent Republicans and historically Republican and conservative newspapers. Essentially the remaining conservative wing of the Republican Party.

What has he done that's divisive, non-conservative or childish that he wasn't doing before the election?

But that's what you will never hear from these closet racists. With them the nigger jokes only come out in friendly company - like Thanksgiving at the McConnell's
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Re: President* Trump (Conservatively speaking)

Unread post by Vrede too » Mon Sep 25, 2017 12:50 pm

As Puerto Rico reels from hurricane, Trump focuses on football

Since Hurricane Maria ripped across Puerto Rico last week, President Trump has tweeted or retweeted more than 50 messages. Just one was about the hurricane....
Your periodic reminder an entire island of millions of Americans is without power, in a desperate situation, and Trump is fighting the NFL.
By the way, Trump's Katrina is happening right now in Puerto Rico. He's trolling the NFL while an entire US territory is devastated.
The population of Puerto Rico is larger than that of 21 US states. Would a similar crisis in Iowa get the same lack of attention?
So many wingnuts, so little time.

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Re: President* Trump (Conservatively speaking)

Unread post by Oliver! » Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:54 pm

rstrong wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:38 am
billy.pilgrim wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:44 am
So why did you vote for him? Was it the Birther issue?
I didn't.
I wouldn't mind hearing an honest answer on this one.
You did.

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Re: President* Trump (Conservatively speaking)

Unread post by Oliver! » Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:48 pm

billy.pilgrim wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:34 am
Now they want to start nuclear war that will kill tens of millions
In what manner are Republicans wanting to start a nuclear war? Two childish yo-yo's slinging insults at each other doesn't mean the entire Republican Party is backing Trump's actions.

and take the ability to have health care from tens of millions of Americans.
Thankfully, not all Repubs are anxious to repeal ACA; there's still a measure of sanity to be found among their ranks. ACA is not the best health care plan ever devised, but it's a heck of a lot better than what Repubs are proposing; assuming everything we're being told about what Trump wants changed is the truth. So much bs is being tossed back and forth, it's difficult to know what to believe. One thing is for certain, health care rates are rising, and Obama's ACA will not be "affordable care", changed or not changed.

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Re: President* Trump (Conservatively speaking)

Unread post by O Really » Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:27 pm

The problem is that Republicans have always wanted to repeal the ACA simply because it was tagged with the "Obama" part. There are indeed many other alternatives that would increase coverage and improve access to health care, but Republicans have never looked for them since "Obamacare." Further, the Republicans haven't made any attempts to bring in non-political professionals (including insurance industry people, medical people, actuaries, etc.) to help develop a workable plan. They haven't held hearings, done focus groups, or non-partisan surveys to see what citizens might like to see. And what's more, they've had 7 years to come up with alternate or revisionist plans and have nothing. And they've tried to add too many non-related issues to health insurance issues. Costs, to consumers, increase for a variety of reasons, not all associated with insurance plan design. And cost had been rising sharply for decades before the plan that became Obamacare was even a glint in the Heritage Foundation's Republican eye.

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Re: President* Trump (Conservatively speaking)

Unread post by rstrong » Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:37 pm

The consistent theme with Trump is that he's a gullible rube who drank the Tea Party / Ted Cruz kool-aid.

The kind who ignored that ObamaCare was essentially 15 years of mainstream Republican healthcare policy until the moment Obama adopted it. Ignored the fact that in 7 years Republican plans to replace it only ever consisted of vague mumbling noises. They said it could be replaced with something cheap and wonderful that everyone would like, and he bought it.

The kind who believed in the public Republican grandstanding policy of no amnesty, kick out all the undocumented workers. Ignoring the fact and reasons why Republicans from Reagan to Cruz, after the elections were over, pushed for amnesties.

The kind who believed in the Republican grandstanding on border walls that ignored the costs and geographic realities.

The kind who believed all the Republican grandstanding about foreign policy and middle-east wars and Iran and North Korea, ignoring that Obama stuck with the policies of the previous administration on all of them.

The kind who believed Republican grandstanding about dropping NAFTA and the TPP, ignoring that Republicans were responsible for NAFTA, started the negotiations on the TPP, and supported both far more than the Democrats.

The kind who believed the Ted Cruz /Tea Party grandstanding on how it wasn't just the Washington establishment that needed to be replaced; the *Republican* establishment had to go.

The kind who believed Republican grandstanding about race.

He was the perfect Republican voter, believing everything Republican leaders were saying in 2015, and making it his policy.

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Re: President* Trump (Conservatively speaking)

Unread post by billy.pilgrim » Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:43 am

rstrong wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:37 pm
The consistent theme with Trump is that he's a gullible rube who drank the Tea Party / Ted Cruz kool-aid.

The kind who ignored that ObamaCare was essentially 15 years of mainstream Republican healthcare policy until the moment Obama adopted it. Ignored the fact that in 7 years Republican plans to replace it only ever consisted of vague mumbling noises. They said it could be replaced with something cheap and wonderful that everyone would like, and he bought it.

The kind who believed in the public Republican grandstanding policy of no amnesty, kick out all the undocumented workers. Ignoring the fact and reasons why Republicans from Reagan to Cruz, after the elections were over, pushed for amnesties.

The kind who believed in the Republican grandstanding on border walls that ignored the costs and geographic realities.

The kind who believed all the Republican grandstanding about foreign policy and middle-east wars and Iran and North Korea, ignoring that Obama stuck with the policies of the previous administration on all of them.

The kind who believed Republican grandstanding about dropping NAFTA and the TPP, ignoring that Republicans were responsible for NAFTA, started the negotiations on the TPP, and supported both far more than the Democrats.

The kind who believed the Ted Cruz /Tea Party grandstanding on how it wasn't just the Washington establishment that needed to be replaced; the *Republican* establishment had to go.

The kind who believed Republican grandstanding about race.

He was the perfect Republican voter, believing everything Republican leaders were saying in 2015, and making it his policy.

Yet the trumpettes (see jerri/Oliver/bb/Seth/...above) say they don't support his craziest ideas while promoting nonsense like - the aca is unsustainable because costs are rising.

The trouble with their lies and misinformation is that the repeal, or back to what we had before, leads to even worse price increases and tens of thousands of deaths, along with hundreds of thousands of bankruptcies and divorces.

But those whose purpose is to lie about their own beliefs will continue to show a sort of left handed support for something better while putting the ryans and grahmns back into office. Much like the closet racists, these people won't admit openly that they have no room for people who didn't or couldn't make the same "good" choices they made.

They are much like those who joined the Navy in 68 to dodge the draft and Vietnam and stayed to spend their life living off uncle nanny.
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Re: President* Trump (Conservatively speaking)

Unread post by Oliver! » Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:24 am

billy.pilgrim wrote:
Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:43 am
Yet the trumpettes (see jerri/Oliver/bb/Seth/...above) say they don't support his craziest ideas while promoting nonsense like - the aca is unsustainable because costs are rising.

The trouble with their lies and misinformation is that the repeal, or back to what we had before, leads to even worse price increases and tens of thousands of deaths, along with hundreds of thousands of bankruptcies and divorces.

But those whose purpose is to lie about their own beliefs will continue to show a sort of left handed support for something better while putting the ryans and grahmns back into office. Much like the closet racists, these people won't admit openly that they have no room for people who didn't or couldn't make the same "good" choices they made.

They are much like those who joined the Navy in 68 to dodge the draft and Vietnam and stayed to spend their life living off uncle nanny.
Another Trump-inspired tweet.

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