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PeacefulPartier wrote:
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If Joe Biden had all the answers, why didn't he tell Obama?
And if trump has all the answers, why does he do nothing but lie? I don't understand.
What lies are those?
:lol: Here's another one for you. Why do you support a man who lies about something that is killing Americans? Would you still be a member of the trump cult of lies and ignorance if your parents, brother, sister, or uncle contracted this virus and died because they took trump's advice? My guess is that you would still support him and rationalize his lies to soothe your guilt and gullibility. Am I right?
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/trump-claims- ... 15022.html

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Funny that you're still obediently whining about that 7 years later. Almost everyone did keep their doctor. I did. Meanwhile, we’re still waiting for the better, cheaper, universal healthcare plan that PINO promised would be immediately introduced 4 years ago.
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PeacefulPartier wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:47 pm
neoplacebo wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:29 am
PeacefulPartier wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:07 pm
If Joe Biden had all the answers, why didn't he tell Obama?
And if trump has all the answers, why does he do nothing but lie? I don't understand.
What lies are those?
:lol: Another stellar performance by your raccoon eyed juvenile minded buffoon and pathological liar that you can flail about and twist yourself into knots attempting to justify or even explain. Why do you support a pathological liar? Do you LIKE being lied to?
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/tru ... 43138.html

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Funny. But while you're here, what specific objection did you have with Obama? Being a "Kenyan" doesn't count.
Nevermind. I would expect nothing more than irrelevant sloganing and generic insults. F'rinstance at John Lewis' funeral, Obama gave a speech in which he described the United States as a country dedicated to high ideals and striving to "form a more perfect union," and he called on Americans to support reforms that would help to ensure more equal representation for all. Republican response? They said Obama was promoting "communist terrorist propaganda," and labelled him "cynical," "divisive and partisan," a "national disgrace," and "one of the sleaziest and most dishonest figures in the history of American politics." For a eulogy. Of a civil rights hero.

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How about this? Why doesn't Joe just kill trump? Because trump is killing himself at good speed.

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I don't know why PP would be concerned with Biden's plans or policies, if any. It would be an improvement if he got inaugurated and you never hear a tweet out of him. And it would seem that Biden having a lack of activist agenda would be a positive for the PP's of the world.

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I've asked at least twice if pp actually believes trump's lie that China is sending "billions and billions of dollars" to the US Treasury because of the US tariffs. But so far nothing but crickets.

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LMAO! So what? Did he say if you like your doctor you can keep it too? It's the biggest lie of politics in 2013 according to politico. Did you hate Obama for that?
Did you ever see that quote in context? On every PPO/HMO type insurance plan there has ever been, you can "keep your doctor" if that doctor remains on the plan. But plans change their provider lists, providers don''t renew their participation, yada, and next thing you know you don't get to "keep your doctor."

But yeah, Obama wasn't clear, didn't add in the qualifier, and left himself open to criticism from those who tired of trying to find his birth certificate. But even if Obama knew a lot of people would have to change providers, and wanted to intentionally mislead, that's still a far cry from what we've all grown accustomed to out of the current administration.
Which time?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44kyHOPEZV8

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neoplacebo wrote:
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Mon Aug 03, 2020 6:58 pm
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And if trump has all the answers, why does he do nothing but lie? I don't understand.
What lies are those?
Here is a veritable smorgasbord of lies; all in the past week, I think. Basically, your cult leader lies more than he tells the truth. Didn't you know that?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ap-fact-chec ... 31503.html

LMAO! So what? Did he say if you like your doctor you can keep it too? It's the biggest lie of politics in 2013 according to politico. Did you hate Obama for that?
:lol: LMFAO. You drag that line out as an example of Obama "telling a lie?" And you ignore the twenty thousand plus lies trump has uttered. Another good illustration of how gullible folks like you truly cannot see the forest for the tree. As O really noted, the "lie" you attribute to Obama was only made to be a lie by insurance companies, not by Obama. How about you explain to all of us trump's lie that China is paying billions and billions of dollars to the US Treasury due to tariffs imposed by the trump administration. He tells this lie bigly and often, but your silence on it or apparent acceptance of it as fact once again illustrates how gullible you are and how misinformed you are. I ask you AGAIN; do you actually believe that China is paying the US "billions and billions" of dollars because of trump's tariffs? And do you also actually BELIEVE that trump's billions of dollars of taxpayer money sent to the US farmers whose markets trump has destroyed is not socialism? trump rails about socialism constantly but doles it out due to his own failed policies. I still want to know if you BELIEVE either the China lie or the socialism lie.
It's not my fault you don't understand the complexity of international trade, cost, price elasticity and the rest. I'll dumb it down for you.

When the president put a tariff on goods from China, there were three paths that the price of the goods sold in the US could take; increase, decrease, remain the same. Here is the Chinese imported goods price index. As you can see, after the "trade war" began in 2018, Chinese goods did increase in price. But, prior to the Coronavirus, those prices dropped dramatically. Why? Because they lost market share. When China raised the price of their goods, in an attempt to offset some cost, other goods from various countries became more price competitive. That gave consumers more options. This is part of the price elasticity which measures the ability for suppliers to increase cost without a loss of sales. Eventually, in mid 2019, Chinese business had to cut the price to importers (and thus consumers) in order to regain lost market share. That means they lost some of their profit margin while the US collected more tariffs. So, indeed, China has paid (in an indirect way) some additional tariffs. How much, I don't know.

The other explanation for the drop in price could be the strength of the dollar. As you can see https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/index/dxy, the dollar was mostly flat during that time period. Certainly not up enough to create such a huge drop in the price index.

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Geez, let a guy walk past a book on macroeconomics and you get instant expertise. Who knew all those real economists wasted their time in class?

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PeacefulPartier wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:20 pm
neoplacebo wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 7:02 am
PeacefulPartier wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 6:58 pm
neoplacebo wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:37 am
PeacefulPartier wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:47 pm


What lies are those?
Here is a veritable smorgasbord of lies; all in the past week, I think. Basically, your cult leader lies more than he tells the truth. Didn't you know that?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ap-fact-chec ... 31503.html

LMAO! So what? Did he say if you like your doctor you can keep it too? It's the biggest lie of politics in 2013 according to politico. Did you hate Obama for that?
:lol: LMFAO. You drag that line out as an example of Obama "telling a lie?" And you ignore the twenty thousand plus lies trump has uttered. Another good illustration of how gullible folks like you truly cannot see the forest for the tree. As O really noted, the "lie" you attribute to Obama was only made to be a lie by insurance companies, not by Obama. How about you explain to all of us trump's lie that China is paying billions and billions of dollars to the US Treasury due to tariffs imposed by the trump administration. He tells this lie bigly and often, but your silence on it or apparent acceptance of it as fact once again illustrates how gullible you are and how misinformed you are. I ask you AGAIN; do you actually believe that China is paying the US "billions and billions" of dollars because of trump's tariffs? And do you also actually BELIEVE that trump's billions of dollars of taxpayer money sent to the US farmers whose markets trump has destroyed is not socialism? trump rails about socialism constantly but doles it out due to his own failed policies. I still want to know if you BELIEVE either the China lie or the socialism lie.
It's not my fault you don't understand the complexity of international trade, cost, price elasticity and the rest. I'll dumb it down for you.

When the president put a tariff on goods from China, there were three paths that the price of the goods sold in the US could take; increase, decrease, remain the same. Here is the Chinese imported goods price index. As you can see, after the "trade war" began in 2018, Chinese goods did increase in price. But, prior to the Coronavirus, those prices dropped dramatically. Why? Because they lost market share. When China raised the price of their goods, in an attempt to offset some cost, other goods from various countries became more price competitive. That gave consumers more options. This is part of the price elasticity which measures the ability for suppliers to increase cost without a loss of sales. Eventually, in mid 2019, Chinese business had to cut the price to importers (and thus consumers) in order to regain lost market share. That means they lost some of their profit margin while the US collected more tariffs. So, indeed, China has paid (in an indirect way) some additional tariffs. How much, I don't know.

The other explanation for the drop in price could be the strength of the dollar. As you can see https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/index/dxy, the dollar was mostly flat during that time period. Certainly not up enough to create such a huge drop in the price index.
Nope; when the US put tariffs on Chinese imports, the only option relative to price of those goods was to increase. The importers had to pay more for them; they passed that cost on to their distributors, and they passed the increase, plus some, on to the retailers. The retailer then have to pay more for those goods from the distributor, and guess what......if the retailer pays more for its wares, who do you think pays for that ? If your answer is the retailer, the distributor, or the importer, you are truly mistaken because the consumer (you) pays for it. So I take your screed above to mean that you DO believe that China is pumping billions and billions of dollars into the US Treasure. That does clear up some things. For me.

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It's not my fault you don't understand the complexity of international trade, cost, price elasticity and the rest. I'll dumb it down for you.
No, I will dumb it down for you even though you're already there. When Nixon "opened China" back in the early 1970's, corporate America began a mad rush to take advantage of the most monumental glut of cheap labor ever witnessed by man or beast. Within ten or fifteen years after this momentous development, textile mills, paper mills, furniture factories, electronics manufacturers, and many other lesser players established factories in China to take advantage of that cheap labor. Fifty years of this has put us where we are now. I don't blame Republicans exclusively for this; corrupt politicians of both stripes enabled it. Your misconception and rationalization of it are quite pathetic. It's not a hard concept to grasp unless you're a member of a cult of lies and ignorance.

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It is long a base tenet of real conservatives that taxes are always paid by the consumers. "Corporations don't pay tax, customers do." And the entire debunked "trickle-down" theory, still held by many is based on lowering taxes as a benefit to consumers down the line. And indeed, subject to being priced out of the market, that's exactly what happens. Raise the tax on gas, sure the state gets some income for roads, but the price at the pump goes up, too - sometimes more than the actual tax amount. Tax Chinese imports, skim off some income for Trump enterprises, but the price still goes up on down the line until the Wal-Mart shoppers pay for it.

If taxes on domestic products are bad, then taxes on foreign products are bad for the same reason - increased cost to consumers.

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Plus, US taxpayers are hit yet again to fund the subsidies to farmers and other industries that have suffered from retaliatory action by China. Then, there are the indirect effects on workers and all Americans from businesses that have been hurt by this trade war.

One can try to argue that all of these negatives are worth it for the geopolitical/economic benefits, not that I'm aware of what they are, but to argue that the negatives aren't there is just ignorant, desperate and silly.
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"When you can make people believe absurdities, you can make them commit atrocities."
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What the hell, let's let Milton Friedman explain about tariffs to PP. Maybe he'll believe the most revered conservative economist ever.
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What the hell, let's let Milton Friedman explain about tariffs to PP. Maybe he'll believe the most revered conservative economist ever.
https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/some-eco ... ry-george/
Let's dumb it down a little more for pp, the person who actually BELIEVES trump's lie about how China is "sending billions and billions of dollars to the US Treasury." Pretend that I am Mr. Yang and sell brooms made in my Chinese broom factory. I sell my brooms to Acme Import/Export in Los Angeles CA and I sell them for ten dollars each. Along comes trump and he puts a 40% tariff on Chinese brooms. Mr. Yang STILL gets ten dollars each for his brooms but now because of trump tariffs, Acme now pays fourteen dollars each for those ten dollar brooms. Those four extra dollars are NOT being paid by China or Mr Yang. They are paid by Acme, and Acme then must raise it's price for brooms that it sells to its distributors, who now pay more for brooms than they did before the tariffs. Needless to say, if the importer and distributor now pay more for brooms, this means that the retailer must now also pay more for brooms, and, yep, you guessed it, the consumer at Wal Mart also pays more. NOWHERE during any of this are ANY dollars being paid by China to the US. NOWHERE. But in spite of that, I have full confidence that pp will continue to believe trump's lie about China paying the US billions of dollars because of his tariffs. Hell, I bet pp believes Mexico is paying for the border wall, too. sad.

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If Joe Biden had all the answers, why didn't he tell Obama?
And if trump has all the answers, why does he do nothing but lie? I don't understand.
What lies are those?
And it never ends. And you deny it ever started. How does that work?
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Y'know, I'd respect a guy who might say "Trump is a lying, corrupt, sleazebag who is mainly out for himself, but he's my lying sleazebag and I'll vote for him because I got a big tax cut and I hate Mexicans." But it's pretty hard to respect anybody who can't admit to the things Trump says on video and brags about.

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Crickets.

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