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Yep.
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And the tough guy hero of the right did nothing......

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Not sure why, but I get a kick out of reading trumpspeak out loud to a select audience.

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GoCubsGo wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 1:33 pm
Yep.
A ten year prison sentence for vandalism seems like cruel and unusual punishment.
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Whack9 wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:48 pm
A ten year prison sentence for vandalism seems like cruel and unusual punishment.
Might be tough getting convictions from DC juries.
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Might be a little tough proving the charge. It's just blustery bullshit as usual from impotus.

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O Really wrote:
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Might be a little tough proving the charge....
Probably for most of the permanently masked folks, but otherwise I'm pretty sure the feds have multi-angle, high res video.
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Vrede too wrote:
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O Really wrote:
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Might be a little tough proving the charge....
Probably for most of the permanently masked folks, but otherwise I'm pretty sure the feds have multi-angle, high res video.
Maybe, but even so, I don't think you can apply a criminal law retroactively. They're trying to intimidate future urban crusading.

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O Really wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:24 pm
Maybe, but even so, I don't think you can apply a criminal law retroactively. They're trying to intimidate future urban crusading.
It's longstanding Vandalization of Federal Property law, but I doubt that anyone ever gets 10 years.
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Vrede too wrote:
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O Really wrote:
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Maybe, but even so, I don't think you can apply a criminal law retroactively. They're trying to intimidate future urban crusading.
It's longstanding Vandalization of Federal Property law, but I doubt that anyone ever gets 10 years.
1666. DESTRUCTION OF GOVERNMENT PROPERTY -- 18 U.S.C. § 1361
Section 1361 protects "any property" of the United States or an agency or department thereof, or any property being manufactured or constructed for the United States or an agency or department thereof, from willful depredation or attempted depredation. "Depredation" has been characterized as the act of plundering, robbing, pillaging or laying waste. United States v. Jenkins, 554 F.2d 783, 786 (6th Cir. 1977); cf. Deal v. United States, 274 U.S. 277, 283 (1927) ("depredation" defined in context of postal statute). This section prohibits actual physical damage or destruction of both real and personal property, but mere adverse possession of that property without physical harm is insufficient to violate the law. United States v. Jenkins, supra, 554 F.2d at 785. Section 1361 is a specific intent crime, see United States v. Jones, 607 F.2d 269, 273-74 (9th Cir. 1979), cert. denied, 444 U.S. 1085 (1980), and the government must prove that the defendant acted willfully; that is intentionally, with knowledge that he/she is violating a law. United States v. Simpson, 460 F.2d 515, 518 (9th Cir. 1972); United States v. Moylan, 417 F.2d 1002, 1004 (4th Cir. 1969), cert. denied, 397 U.S. 910 (1970). The government is not required to prove that defendant knew the property belonged to the government, because government ownership is "merely a 'jurisdictional fact'." United States v. LaPorta, 46 F.3d 152, 158 (2d Cir. 1994), quoting United States v. Feola, 420 U.S. 671 (1975). In fact, title or possession by the United States is not a necessary element of this offense, if the property in question was being made for the United States. The government must present evidence establishing value of damage. United States v. Seaman, 18 F.3d 649, 651 (9th Cir. 1994). The penalties for violations of this section are tied to the extent of the property damage. As amended on September 13, 1994, if the damage exceeds $100, the defendant is subject to a fine of up to $250,000, ten years imprisonment, or both. See Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, Pub. L. 103-322, § 330016, 108 Stat. 1796, 2146-47 (1994). When property damage does not exceed $100, the offense is a misdemeanor punishable by a fine of up to $100,000, one year imprisonment, or both. See 18 U.S.C. §§ 3559(a), 3571.

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I guess that covers everything from killing an active duty military member to stealing a tank; and everything in between. The part about how you're guilty even if you didn't know the property was owned by the government is especially useful.

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O Really wrote:
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1666. DESTRUCTION OF GOVERNMENT PROPERTY -- 18 U.S.C. § 1361 ...
Thanks.

I'll correct myself. Some Plowshares activists have gotten some very stiff sentences, even when the "damage" they did was minimal and largely symbolic.
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neoplacebo wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:12 pm
I guess that covers everything from killing an active duty military member ...
Only if you stain her/his uniform in the process.
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Vrede too wrote:
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neoplacebo wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:12 pm
I guess that covers everything from killing an active duty military member ...
Only if you stain her/his uniform in the process.
Even if they get your blood on their uniform while they are beating you

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Trump shares a video on twitter of Trump supporters yelling white power:



Let's look at some other weird coincidences:

Trump campaign runs ad with red inverted triangle, a nazi symbol denoting political prisoners:

https://www.mediamatters.org/facebook/f ... azi-symbol

The homeland security website made a post with the words
"We Must Secure The Border And Build The Wall To Make America Safe Again"
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/02/15/we- ... safe-again

Which sounds eerily similar to the "14 word" sloagan often used by white supremacists:

https://www.adl.org/education/reference ... s/14-words

Both even have 14 words.

Also, this weird statistic:
On average, out of 88 claims that pass the credible fear screening, fewer than 13 will ultimately result in a grant of asylum.
White supremacists use "88" as a reference to "heil hitler". Who uses x out of 88. Why not x out of 100? Weird.

Another reference to "1488", a white supremacists trope:
Federal agency says it lost track of 1,488 migrant children
https://apnews.com/aad956b7281f4057aaac ... t-children

Some of this sounds like some Qanon level grasping for straws. I wouldnve said the same about the numbers in the statistics. But the weird DHS post and the Trump campaign using the nazi symbol for political prisoners makes me think at least some stuff is an intentional dog whistle or attempt at trolling.
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Trump is going to be distracting from all the recent Russia news. Even tweeting white power is better than people looking into that.

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bannination wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:02 am
Trump is going to be distracting from all the recent Russia news. Even tweeting white power is better than people looking into that.
Wasn't the Russia news discovered before the trump admin decided to scrap sanctions on Russia? I guess they knew and just didn't care about the troops.
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He was talking about handing out another stimulus check. It's obvious why he wants to do it. His poll numbers are in a nose dive.

I'm conflicted. On the one hand I ain't ever mad at getting some cash moneys. On the other, I know why he's doing it.
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