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Re: Impeachment

Unread post by Vrede too » Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:50 pm

Since the current Trumpette/Repug whine is over wanting a dumb impeachment inquiry vote, here's a good summation of the responses to them:

Why not vote? Democrats say it's impeachment either way
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Re: Impeachment

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Vrede too wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:02 pm
More problems for the Rudy/POSPOTUS Ukraine cabal:

Former ambassador to Ukraine says Trump pushed to oust her

I'm almost more excited by the prospect of Rudy going to prison than I am by the prospect of impeachment and conviction of POSPOTUS, almost.
We have a new covfefe boy!

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Re: Impeachment

Unread post by Vrede too » Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:56 pm

SIGN NOW: DEMAND AG BARR AND SEC. POMPEO RECUSE THEMSELVES FROM THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY

If they don't, they're adding to the campaign law felony, treason and obstruction criminal charges against them.
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Re: Impeachment

Unread post by Vrede too » Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:41 pm

Vrede too wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:37 pm
The GOP rats are starting to desert the rapidly sinking POSPOTUS ship. Before long there will be a traffic jam at the lifeboats.

Defining 'desertion' pretty loosely, the list is now:
Sen. Mitt Romney (UT)
Sen. Susan Collins (ME)
Sen. Rob Portman (OH)
Sen. Ron Johnson (WI)
Sen. Lamar Alexander (TN)
Sen. Rob Portman (OH)
Rep. John Shimkus (IL)
Rep. Mark Amodei (NV)
Rep. Will Hurd (TX)
Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick (PA)
Rep. John Curtis (UT)
Former Rep. Joe Walsh (IL)
Former Governor John Kasich (OH)
Former Secretary of State Colin Powell
Judge Napolitano
Tucker Carlson
Pentagon chief vows to cooperate with impeachment probe

US Defense Secretary Mark Esper said Sunday the Pentagon would cooperate with the congressional impeachment inquiry -- in an apparent break with President Donald Trump's policy to thwart the probe.

Esper said his department would try to comply with a subpoena from House Democrats seeking records relating to the withholding of US military aid to Ukraine.

"We will do everything we can to cooperate with the Congress," Esper said on CBS's Face The Nation.

His reassurance came days after the White House announced it would not cooperate with the Democratic-led House of Representatives, calling its impeachment push illegitimate and unconstitutional.
No telling yet what Republican war hero Mark Esper will say, so I'm not adding his name yet, but this degree of rebellion against POSPOTUS may be significant. I am adding Former Ohio governor John Kasich, who's mentioned at the end of the article.

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It's getting closer. Trump might be waving goodbye shortly.

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Re: Impeachment

Unread post by Vrede too » Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:19 am

http://www.blueridgedebate.com/forum/vi ... uz#p102920
O Really wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:07 am
So Ted Cruz has always been a sleazebag and probably always will. During the Republican primary, he said awful things about Trump, and put up with many personal insults. Then, he turned into a Trump-toady. Now he says it was "of course not" appropriate for Trump to ask China to investigate Biden.
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/ted-cruz ... 34601.html

Which brings up a question - Why aren't people like Cruz and the rest of the Clown Car primary participants not screaming "I told you so"? They don't have to turn away from the President* - they said he was trouble from the start and their "turning" has been a fake "support" for self-preservation. But now would seem time to point out they were "right" back in 2016.
Thanks.
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The GOP rats are starting to desert the rapidly sinking POSPOTUS ship. Before long there will be a traffic jam at the lifeboats.

Defining 'desertion' pretty loosely, the list is now:
Sen. Lamar Alexander (TN)
Sen. Susan Collins (ME)
Sen. Ted Cruz (TX)
Sen. Ron Johnson (WI)
Sen. Rob Portman (OH)
Sen. Mitt Romney (UT)
Rep. Mark Amodei (NV)
Rep. John Curtis (UT)
Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick (PA)
Rep. Will Hurd (TX)
Rep. John Shimkus (IL)
Former Rep. Joe Walsh (IL)
Former Governor John Kasich (OH)
Former Secretary of State Colin Powell
Judge Napolitano
Tucker Carlson
Assuming Dem/Ind unanimity, 20 Repug Senators would have to be "rats" (patriots) in order to convict and remove. Seems unlikely, but the list above was impossible just a month ago. We'll see.
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Re: Impeachment

Unread post by O Really » Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:09 pm

Generally unmentioned, but true nonetheless is that few Republicans would publicly commit to a willingness to boot Trump until the actual time to vote arises no matter what they think now. At some point, after official impeachment begins, some might say "I support the President* but I will review the evidence with an open mind..." Eventually, somebody, like maybe Romney, is going to say "the evidence presented is compelling..." McConnell will be calculating constantly whether it's better for him personally to hold the line or to proclaim his encouragement to his colleagues to "vote their own conscience" or some such drivel. But if - big if - the Dems can manage to paint their case for removal in such a way as to make the offence seem inexcusable, then Trump's toast. But it's a public belief/perception project, not a legal one. If it were only a legal one, Trump would have long been gone or never elected.

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Re: Impeachment

Unread post by Vrede too » Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:37 pm

billy.pilgrim wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:25 pm
It took a long time, but has pretty much methodically been happening forever; this particular phase is mostly a reaction to the New Deal. Then as now, the popular support doesn’t fit the agenda and must be minimalized, while the agenda must be disavowed at all costs. Remember when ALEC was a conspiracy pushed by liberals; then suddenly ALEC was nothing but old news after several state legislators let some of ALEC’s letterhead slip through on their ALEC written bills. The agenda must be protected until it can’t be (trump or whatever), then they simply walk away and deny they ever said/did/supported whatever/whoever....
Your boy is being a big fat crybaby, again:

'Gaetz-crasher': Here's why a Republican lawmaker was barred from closed-door testimony
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Re: Impeachment

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Vrede too wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:37 pm
billy.pilgrim wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:25 pm
It took a long time, but has pretty much methodically been happening forever; this particular phase is mostly a reaction to the New Deal. Then as now, the popular support doesn’t fit the agenda and must be minimalized, while the agenda must be disavowed at all costs. Remember when ALEC was a conspiracy pushed by liberals; then suddenly ALEC was nothing but old news after several state legislators let some of ALEC’s letterhead slip through on their ALEC written bills. The agenda must be protected until it can’t be (trump or whatever), then they simply walk away and deny they ever said/did/supported whatever/whoever....
Your boy is being a big fat crybaby, again:

'Gaetz-crasher': Here's why a Republican lawmaker was barred from closed-door testimony
He looks like some sort of menacing maniacal version of Donny Osmond. I can visualize him driving at top speed with gritted teeth and his face right up as far as he can get it to the windshield in a feverish effort to get to DC from Florida. Then he gets pulled over and as soon as the trooper gets up to him and Matt opens the car door, he pukes on the officer's shiny boots. It's like a fucking Gomer Pyle moment. The trooper starts shaking and turning red and Matt makes a run for it but the trooper shoots him in the back of the head from his position behind the car. This has already happened twice; it's why Matt is so fucked up.

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Re: Impeachment

Unread post by Vrede too » Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:35 pm

neoplacebo wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:18 pm
He looks like some sort of menacing maniacal version of Donny Osmond.
:lol: Labeled because it is very hard to tell them apart.

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I can visualize him driving at top speed with gritted teeth and his face right up as far as he can get it to the windshield in a feverish effort to get to DC from Florida. Then he gets pulled over and as soon as the trooper gets up to him and Matt opens the car door, he pukes on the officer's shiny boots. It's like a fucking Gomer Pyle moment. The trooper starts shaking and turning red and Matt makes a run for it but the trooper shoots him in the back of the head from his position behind the car. This has already happened twice; it's why Matt is so fucked up.
billy.pilgrim talks about how he skated on a DUI.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Gaet ... ng_tickets

Florida State University, figures.
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Re: Impeachment

Unread post by neoplacebo » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:37 pm

Probably fucks his sister Marie, too. Sick puppy Honestly, I could not tell the difference between the two. Not sure what Marie has to say. Continuing on this lookalike thing, I read today that my avatar's human counterpart, the CEO of Boeing, has been jettisoned due to estimated prophet reasons. It's always hard to handle when a Max Headroom clone gets kicked to the side of the vast expanse of the commercial airways.

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Unread post by Vrede too » Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:58 pm

neoplacebo wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:37 pm
... Continuing on this lookalike thing, I read today that my avatar's human counterpart, the CEO of Boeing, has been jettisoned due to estimated prophet reasons. It's always hard to handle when a Max Headroom clone gets kicked to the side of the vast expanse of the commercial airways.
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Unread post by Vrede too » Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:36 pm

https://news.yahoo.com/donald-trump-twe ... 08324.html
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

... Impeach the Pres.
:wtf: , but I agree. :thumbup: :clap:

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Vrede too wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:19 am
The GOP rats are starting to desert the rapidly sinking POSPOTUS ship. Before long there will be a traffic jam at the lifeboats.

Defining 'desertion' pretty loosely, the list is now:
POTUS Donald J. Trump ;)
Sen. Lamar Alexander (TN)
Sen. Susan Collins (ME)
Sen. Ted Cruz (TX)
Sen. Ron Johnson (WI)
Sen. Rob Portman (OH)
Sen. Mitt Romney (UT)
Rep. Mark Amodei (NV)
Rep. John Curtis (UT)
Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick (PA)
Rep. Will Hurd (TX)
Rep. John Shimkus (IL)
Former Rep. Joe Walsh (IL)
Former Governor John Kasich (OH)
Former Secretary of State Colin Powell
Former national security adviser John R. Bolton :wtf:
Judge Napolitano
Tucker Carlson

Assuming Dem/Ind unanimity, 20 Repug Senators would have to be "rats" (patriots) in order to convict and remove. Seems unlikely, but the list above was impossible just a month ago. We'll see.
I love a good RWNJ fight as they all scramble to blame each other for the catastrophes they jointly created.
Mmmm, popcorn.
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Re: Impeachment

Unread post by Vrede too » Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:27 pm

Vrede too wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:02 pm
I'm almost more excited by the prospect of Rudy going to prison than I am by the prospect of impeachment and conviction of POSPOTUS, almost.
Acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney is going down, too.

State Department official tells Congress that Mick Mulvaney helped organize controversial Ukraine meeting: report

:---P

MAGA = Making Aides Get Attorneys
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Re: Impeachment

Unread post by billy.pilgrim » Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:14 pm

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... ays-later/


Only once has Gallup seen more support for removing a president.

Nixon was gone 4 days later
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billy.pilgrim wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:14 pm
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... ays-later/


Only once has Gallup seen more support for removing a president.

Nixon was gone 4 days later
Please, please let history repeat itself. I'm really ready.
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Re: Impeachment

Unread post by Vrede too » Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:22 am

GoCubsGo wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:28 pm
billy.pilgrim wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:14 pm
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... ays-later/

Only once has Gallup seen more support for removing a president.

Nixon was gone 4 days later
Please, please let history repeat itself. I'm really ready.
Idk how likely either is, but I think that resignation is more likely than impeachment. Whether it's one of those, the 25th Amendment or waiting until the election, I think pretty much nothing gets done in govt other than EOs like the fucked up Syria pullout until he's gone.


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Vrede too wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:36 pm
The GOP rats are starting to desert the rapidly sinking POSPOTUS ship. Before long there will be a traffic jam at the lifeboats.

Defining 'desertion' pretty loosely, the list is now:
Sen. Lamar Alexander (TN)
Sen. Susan Collins (ME)
Sen. Ted Cruz (TX)
Sen. Ron Johnson (WI)
Sen. Rob Portman (OH)
Sen. Mitt Romney (UT)
Rep. Mark Amodei (NV)
Rep. John Curtis (UT)
Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick (PA)
Rep. Will Hurd (TX)
Rep. John Shimkus (IL)
Former Rep. Joe Walsh (IL)
Former Governor John Kasich (OH)
Former Secretary of State Colin Powell
Former national security adviser John R. Bolton
Judge Napolitano
Tucker Carlson
Republicans for the Rule of Law

Assuming Dem/Ind unanimity, 20 Repug Senators would have to be "rats" (patriots) in order to convict and remove. Seems unlikely, but the list above was impossible just a month ago. We'll see.

I love a good RWNJ fight as they all scramble to blame each other for the catastrophes they jointly created.
Mmmm, popcorn.
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Re: Impeachment

Unread post by neoplacebo » Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:44 am

I really don't think trump can last until next November and am predicting he will resign sometime before then due to "medical" reasons.

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Unread post by GoCubsGo » Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:59 am

neoplacebo wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:44 am
I really don't think trump can last until next November and am predicting he will resign sometime before then due to "medical" reasons.
I really think he's going to hang on tight as he fears criminal prosecution in SDNY from which President*Pence could not pardon him.

Hope I'm wrong.
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The Latest: Sondland distances himself from Trump actions
Vrede too wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:22 am
The GOP rats are starting to desert the rapidly sinking POSPOTUS ship. Before long there will be a traffic jam at the lifeboats.

Defining 'desertion' pretty loosely, the list is now:
Sen. Lamar Alexander (TN)
Sen. Susan Collins (ME)
Sen. Ted Cruz (TX)
Sen. Ron Johnson (WI)
Sen. Rob Portman (OH)
Sen. Mitt Romney (UT)
Rep. Mark Amodei (NV)
Rep. John Curtis (UT)
Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick (PA)
Rep. Will Hurd (TX)
Rep. John Shimkus (IL)
U.S. Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland
Former Governor John Kasich (OH)
Former Secretary of State Colin Powell
Former national security adviser John R. Bolton
Former Rep. Joe Walsh (IL)
Judge Napolitano
Tucker Carlson
Republicans for the Rule of Law

Assuming Dem/Ind unanimity, 20 Repug Senators would have to be "rats" (patriots) in order to convict and remove. Seems unlikely, but the list above was impossible just a month ago. We'll see. The list of Repubs dumping POSPOTUS grows every day. Soon, very soon, the torrent will be too great to count the individuals. They're all realizing getting beaten in primaries by the Trumpettes is less likely and losing the general elections is more likely.

I love a good RWNJ fight as they all scramble to blame each other for the catastrophes they jointly created.
Mmmm, popcorn.
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Re: Impeachment

Unread post by Ulysses » Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:33 pm

billy.pilgrim wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:14 pm
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... ays-later/


Only once has Gallup seen more support for removing a president.

Nixon was gone 4 days later
Nixon was a dirty bastard, but he wasn't insane.

Trump is both a dirty bastard, and quite insane. I predict he will hang on until the bitter end.

He might even contest the 2020 election results if he loses.

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