Race, lets make this serious! It is nearly 2013.

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Re: Race, lets make this serious! It is nearly 2013.

Unread post by Vrede too » Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:52 pm

O Really wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:06 am
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Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:11 am
IF Michael Jackson was a child molester, there are some differences. "a drug-induced cloud or living a life of public promiscuity" does not necessarily have victims, allegedly not checking IDs on all the groupies ain't working out too well for R. Kelly - another black, hmmm - these days, and few criminal convictions are as ugly as child molestation, with some even being kind of cool.

It may be easier for old farts like you or I to enjoy MJ's art than anyone younger that sees it after coming to believe that he's a child molester, and we're way past the prime music and video buying demographic, anyhow.
Good point. A person's societal offenses might keep me from watching/listening/going to see somebody concurrently, like I might have said, "I'm not buying any Kid Rock crap because he's such a right-wing Trumper asshat. But if it turned out now, say, that Roger Waters had also become a right-wing Trumper asshat, I'm not going to stop playing and enjoying "Dark Side of the Moon" from 1970-something.
You're pretty safe there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Waters#Activism
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Re: Race, lets make this serious! It is nearly 2013.

Unread post by Vrede too » Sun Mar 10, 2019 1:46 pm

O Really wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:06 am
Vrede too wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:11 am
Michael Jackson was a child molester, there are some differences. "a drug-induced cloud or living a life of public promiscuity" does not necessarily have victims, allegedly not checking IDs on all the groupies ain't working out too well for R. Kelly - another black, hmmm - these days, and few criminal convictions are as ugly as child molestation, with some even being kind of cool.

It may be easier for old farts like you or I to enjoy MJ's art than anyone younger that sees it after coming to believe that he's a child molester, and we're way past the prime music and video buying demographic, anyhow.
Good point. A person's societal offenses might keep me from watching/listening/going to see somebody concurrently, like I might have said, "I'm not buying any Kid Rock crap because he's such a right-wing Trumper asshat. But if it turned out now, say, that Roger Waters had also become a right-wing Trumper asshat, I'm not going to stop playing and enjoying "Dark Side of the Moon" from 1970-something.
billy.pilgrim wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:09 am
How quickly y'all jump from sicko pedophiles to someone's politics.

Not the same
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Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:42 pm
I used to have the Michael Jackson "Thriller" album back when it first came out; some catchy tunes on there. If he's a child molester, well, fuck him I guess...doesn't change what''s on the record, though. Catholic clergy have been dong this shit for centuries, and they're still a big hit with lots of Catholics. Plus, I don't give a hoot in hell about crab legs....wouldn't have them if they were free. Now if they were handing out or had a nice green bud buffet I could see folks getting excited. I wouldn't be surprised to find out crab legs are somehow linked to child molestation. ok
Pete Davidson Compares R. Kelly To Catholic Church, But With Better Music (article and video)
He also defended the age gap between him and his new girlfriend, Kate Beckinsale.


:lol: He covers our entire conversation, but better. Well worth the 4 minutes, but if you can't:
Spoiler:
“I’m just saying you don’t know how good someone’s music really is until you find out they’re a pedophile. And the reason everybody’s so upset is because R. Kelly and Michael Jackson made great music.”

“If I found out Macklemore did some stuff, I’d be happy to free up the space on my iPhone,” he joked.
As for Kate Beckinsale, he's dated Carly Aquilino and Cazzie David, and was engaged to superstar Ariana Grande. Dayyum, he must be really funny . . . or something.

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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kate-bec ... f26ba5feaf

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Re: Race, lets make this serious! It is nearly 2013.

Unread post by O Really » Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:38 am

The American Civil War Never Ended...
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/3 ... ever-ended

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Re: Race, lets make this serious! It is nearly 2013.

Unread post by Vrede too » Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:23 am

O Really wrote:
Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:38 am
The American Civil War Never Ended...
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/3 ... ever-ended
Depressing and infuriating. We even have our own participant sporadically here:
... Deprived of political power, black Americans have fought an uphill battle against institutional racism in the legal system and the economy. Blacks are arrested twice as often as whites for drug offenses, are more often jailed before trial, and receive harsher sentences for similar crimes.

John Ehrlichman (President Nixon’s Chief for Domestic Policy) actually admitted that this unjust behavior against black Americans was deliberate and premeditated. Here’s a quote from John Ehrlichman himself:

“We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course, we did."

Ehrlichman’s confession actually helps to explain a lot. Although black Americans aren't more likely to use or sell drugs, they're much more likely to be arrested for them. And when black people are convicted of drug charges, they generally face longer prison sentences than their white counterparts for the same crimes....
Though I don't think he's ever admitted the intentional racism of his deeds.
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Unread post by billy.pilgrim » Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:48 pm

It's what happens when you use war and destruction to solve moral problems.
George Carlin said “The owners know the truth. It’s called the American dream because you have to be asleep to believe it.”

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Re: Race, lets make this serious! It is nearly 2013.

Unread post by Vrede too » Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:43 pm

billy.pilgrim wrote:
Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:48 pm
It's what happens when you use war and destruction to solve moral problems.
. . . and public health problems.
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