2023 Impeachments

[billy.pilgrim]

If that's the case, we're not a nation of laws.

Sadly, I think that's true with no doubt. Just because there are laws doesn't mean that we're really a nation where the law is above all individuals. It clearly isn't. It's not just Trump, but the entire system is rife with inequities and abuse - and not only in individual cases but systemically.

Yep.

more yep

[billy.pilgrim]

Is anyone else sick and tired of seeing headlines like "Georgia Grand Jury Work Ends" and yet no action. Or "Trump's really in trouble this time" yet it's all same ol' same ol'. I might start to agree with billy.p that Garland is either in cahoots with Trump or the most incompetent lawyer ever, but it's not just him. State-level investigations drag to a slow death. Can EVERYBODY be in cahoots or incompetent? You've got a guy who flouts the law at every turn, openly and proudly, who can't hire any good lawyers, and who, in most cases doesn't even offer a defence and you can't indict/charge him with SOMETHING? I dunno, no rational earthly answer works - maybe Trump really is the Devil. He's at least got the part down where people sell him their souls. And he's been to Georgia. And he's clearly evil. Where's the Exorcist when you need one?

"The wheels of justice turn slowly."

But, c'mon.

Long and short is they're skeered, maybe to the point of paralysis. There is a risk despite overwhelming evidence that finding an unbiased jury may not be possible and rather than damning the torpedoes and doing the right thing they'll continue to pass the ball.

If that's the case, we're not a nation of laws.

Are prosecutors only scared of republicans?

As a private citizen Nixon interfered with the 68 election - no charges

As private citizens reagan or pappy bush (most likely the spook, or friends) made a treasonous deal with the men (kidnappers) to not let the hostages go until reagan's Inauguration. - no charges

As president reagan broke multiple laws and started illegal wars
(help me here - I remember that there was a court case where the reagan administration lost, but the judge sealed the findings and the names due to their current positions, for 20 years. - no charges

And then we get a dem. 100 million dollars was spent to investigate a conspiracy theory and when they couldn't prove the lie they went after everything. There were claims of dead cats and people everywhere. There's even still a website that constantly follows their murders - minus all the baby blood letting. - hell yeah, you better believe there were constrewed charges and all the way to Impeachment

Within the 1st week of the lil bush administration he extended the approaching date of reveling the findings and names in the suit against reagan's terrorists ties from 20 years to forever. I saw one article about it in a credible liberal magazine. They were evidently right, as there has been no exposure of the criminals who received no charges

And then the cheney/bush legacy is filled with lies, tricks, to create an oil war to support themselves and their supporters. ' of course there were no charges


And now Trump and his kind understand they just have to walk away and refuse to answer questions and subpoenas
no charges

[O Really]

Good point. Of course, several of Nixon's top guys did get locked up, and Nixon was at least openly and "legally" pardoned. That's different from just ignoring, ostriching, and fogging.

[billy.pilgrim]

Good point. Of course, several of Nixon's top guys did get locked up, and Nixon was at least openly and "legally" pardoned. That's different from just ignoring, ostriching, and fogging.

Wasn't that 72.

In 68 as a private citizen he negotiated with the president/fuckwad of South Vietnam to refuse the peace treaty that all parties were ready to accept, and to extend the war so he could take credit for winning.

[Vrede too]

Good point. Of course, several of Nixon's top guys did get locked up, and Nixon was at least openly and "legally" pardoned. That's different from just ignoring, ostriching, and fogging.

Wasn't that 72.

In 68 as a private citizen he negotiated with the president/fuckwad of South Vietnam to refuse the peace treaty that all parties were ready to accept, and to extend the war so he could take credit for winning.

The Ford pardon was in 1974, one month after he became POTUS.

Idk if negotiating with a "friend" to assist an election is as illegal as Raygun's negotiating with Iran to assist his election.

[billy.pilgrim]

Good point. Of course, several of Nixon's top guys did get locked up, and Nixon was at least openly and "legally" pardoned. That's different from just ignoring, ostriching, and fogging.

Wasn't that 72.

In 68 as a private citizen he negotiated with the president/fuckwad of South Vietnam to refuse the peace treaty that all parties were ready to accept, and to extend the war so he could take credit for winning.

The Ford pardon was in 1974, one month after he became POTUS.

Idk if negotiating with a "friend" to assist an election is as illegal as Raygun's negotiating with Iran to assist his election.

I'm talking about Nixon while still a private citizen negotiated with the South Vietnamese president to refuse signing the Johnson treaty that all parties had agreed to.
Thus allowing Nixon credit for ending the war.

[O Really]

Thus allowing Nixon credit for ending the war.

Credit that he did not cash in on until right before it was time for re-election. Sumbitch ran on a promise to end the war, but instead escalated it for over three years and then claimed "victory."

[Vrede too]

... Idk if negotiating with a "friend" to assist an election is as illegal as Raygun's negotiating with Iran to assist his election.

I'm talking about Nixon while still a private citizen negotiated with the South Vietnamese president to refuse signing the Johnson treaty that all parties had agreed to.
Thus allowing Nixon credit for ending the war.

I understand.
Both Nixon and Raygun were private citizens.
Both secretly and unpatriotically negotiated delays in resolutions of bad situations to benefit their campaigns.
Otoh,
Nixon prolonged a war and got people killed while Raygun was an asshole to 52 hostages who weren't killed.
Nixon had his discussions with an ally (puppet), which is mostly legal.
Raygun had his discussions with an enemy, which is treason.

[billy.pilgrim]

Thus allowing Nixon credit for ending the war.

Credit that he did not cash in on until right before it was time for re-election. Sumbitch ran on a promise to end the war, but instead escalated it for over three years and then claimed "victory."

He thought he could win militarily.

[billy.pilgrim]

Will this be the first?

Biden Lawyers Found Classified Material at His Former Office https://nyti.ms/3CBf0h7

"Senior Justice Department officials have assigned John R. Lausch Jr., the U.S. attorney in Chicago who was appointed by former President Donald J. Trump, to look into the matter, according to two people familiar with the decision, confirming a CBS News report. Mr. Lausch has been scrutinizing the situation since November, according to one of the people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive matter."'

"With Mr. Lausch investigating Mr. Biden’s handling of classified information, and David Weiss, the U.S. attorney in Delaware, investigating the president’s son, Hunter Biden, both Trump-appointed U.S. attorneys who have remained at the department are now scrutinizing the Biden family.

Proof that Garland’s doj can move when they want to move, or is it when there's a dem to be prosecuted?

https://apnews.com/article/biden-politi ... 7a683fa024

oops, he did it again.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna65371

What a guy, what an idiot. Maybe he's running cover for trump. He did appoint Merrick and supported his slow walking charges against trump.
But way more likely this crap is just idiocy.

[O Really]

Thus allowing Nixon credit for ending the war.

Credit that he did not cash in on until right before it was time for re-election. Sumbitch ran on a promise to end the war, but instead escalated it for over three years and then claimed "victory."

He thought he could win militarily.

He could have consulted with the French and been disabused of that particular fantasy.

[billy.pilgrim]

It's ramping up

From the crazy woman governor of Neverland, through the New York Post and onto Fox Amuse. Soon CNN and many others will have to pick the story up, or lose their audience to fox


"Hunter Biden, China, classified documents: Mystery swirls around Penn Biden Center"

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter ... den-center

"Penn Biden Center where classified papers were found is a ‘dark-money nightmare"

“The Penn Biden Center is a dark-money, revolving-door nightmare where foreign competitors like China donated millions of dollars to the university so that they could have access to future high-ranking officials,” said Tom Anderson, director of the Government Integrity Project at the Virginia-based National Legal and Policy Center."

https://nypost.com/2023/01/11/penn-bide ... nage-mill/

[Vrede too]

It's ramping up

From the crazy woman governor of Neverland, through the New York Post and onto Fox Amuse. Soon CNN and many others will have to pick the story up, or lose their audience to fox ...

Great minds . . . GoCubsGo beat you to it:
viewtopic.php?t=4967&p=179505#p179505
But, you posted links and more detail. FYI:

National Legal and Policy Center (NLPC) is a front group and industry funded right-wing political and policy lobbying organization. NLPC was founded in 1991 by Peter Flaherty and Ken Boehm, who previously worked for "Citizens for Reagan".

It's one of many RW billionaire astroturf orgs.

NLPC’s predominate sources of funding are the Scaife Foundations.

[billy.pilgrim]

It's ramping up

From the crazy woman governor of Neverland, through the New York Post and onto Fox Amuse. Soon CNN and many others will have to pick the story up, or lose their audience to fox ...

Great minds . . . GoCubsGo beat you to it:
viewtopic.php?t=4967&p=179505#p179505
But, you posted links and more detail. FYI:

National Legal and Policy Center (NLPC) is a front group and industry funded right-wing political and policy lobbying organization. NLPC was founded in 1991 by Peter Flaherty and Ken Boehm, who previously worked for "Citizens for Reagan".

It's one of many RW billionaire astroturf orgs.

NLPC’s predominate sources of funding are the Scaife Foundations.

And then there's Gym

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congre ... -rcna65747

"The House Judiciary Committee announced Friday it's opened an investigation into the Obama-era classified documents that were found in President Joe Biden's Delaware home and his former Washington office.

The panel, now headed by Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, has sent a letter to Attorney General Merrick Garland demanding all documents and communications between the Justice Department, FBI, and the White House about the discovery, as well as information about Garland's appointment of Robert Hur as special counsel overseeing the case."


In a joint letter to Garland Friday, Jordan and Rep. Mike Johnson, R-La., questioned whether DOJ "actively concealed" the November discovery from the public "on the eve of the 2022 elections" — even though DOJ typically doesn't announce when it opens reviews.


"The letter also falsely claims DOJ's "actions here appear to depart from how it acted in similar circumstances" because Garland approved a search warrant looking for government documents in former President Donald Trump's Florida home in August of last year "despite the publicly available evidence of President Trump’s voluntary cooperation."

The letter does not note that the Justice Department had been investigating the Trump case out of public view for several months prior to the execution of the search warrant, and that Trump had failed to turn over documents with classification markings that had been subpoenaed by the DOJ."

Gymmie does spin his yarns, or as some would say, lies.

[GoCubsGo]

Cheetohead has been squawking this noise for two days amongst his other excrement.

Afaik, there's no there there.

The rest are just a bunch of parrots doing what parrots do.


https://truthsocial.com/users/realDonal ... 9557556484

[billy.pilgrim]

Cheetohead has been squawking this noise for two days amongst his other excrement.

Afaik, there's no there there.

The rest are just a bunch of parrots doing what parrots do.


https://truthsocial.com/users/realDonal ... 9557556484

There was no there there with Whitewater.

[O Really]

Repugs don't need a there to go there. When you're all bullshit all the time anyway, fact matters little.
To quote the great philosopher Swift, "Haters gonna hate."

[GoCubsGo]

Repugs don't need a there to go there. When you're all bullshit all the time anyway, fact matters little.
To quote the great philosopher Swift, "Haters gonna hate."

They're just attempting to "Shake It Up."

[billy.pilgrim]

I'm all in on Joe going to prison if it helps put trump behind bars for All of his crimes.

Here's another on Biden hypocrisy and attack on an actual liberal president.

"But there is also a relevant story from Biden’s past that bears mentioning.

THE EVENTS TOOK place during the administration of Jimmy Carter, when Biden was a rising star in the U.S. Senate and an inaugural member of the Intelligence Committee, which was established in response to the lawlessness of the Nixon administration. Biden colluded with Republicans on the Intelligence Committee to kill the nomination of a CIA critic to be director of the agency. Among the reasons was that the nominee, Ted Sorensen, had admitted to taking classified documents for a biography of his longtime friend John F. Kennedy and had spoken out in defense of Pentagon Papers whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg. In fact, Biden went so far as to suggest Sorensen might be subject to prosecution under the Espionage Act."

Way to go Joe, you just ain't my kinda guy. I'm embarrassed that I voted for you.

[billy.pilgrim]

Seriously, it's time for dems to demand that this man should be prosecuted. Instead most are running around like a bunch of republicans explaining how "my side" didn't really violate the clear and easy to understand law. We should have prosecuted bush for war crimes; we didn't and the payback for our lawlessness harmed our democracy. We have to show our citizens that we put country over party.

How do people not see that Biden has never respected this law. He's actually had so little respect that he's left documents pretty much everywhere, as vp 15 years ago and now as president.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/2 ... e-00078889

"Officials from the Justice Department recovered additional classified items Friday after searching the Wilmington, Del., home of President Joe Biden for nearly 13 hours, the president’s personal lawyer said Saturday.

The items recovered include six batches of records that contained an unspecified number of documents with classified markings."

"Bauer said the paperwork was from Biden’s time in the Senate and as vice president."