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Yeah, it's a mess. Probably be cheaper to just build the Mexicans better treatment plants, or at least keep ours running better.

https://www.asce.org/publications-and-n ... %20Outfall.

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O Really wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2024 5:23 pm
Yeah, it's a mess. Probably be cheaper to just build the Mexicans better treatment plants, or at least keep ours running better.

https://www.asce.org/publications-and-n ... %20Outfall.
Seems like there should be some existing standards or international laws governing something like this.
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GoCubsGo wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2024 7:30 pm
O Really wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2024 5:23 pm
Yeah, it's a mess. Probably be cheaper to just build the Mexicans better treatment plants, or at least keep ours running better.

https://www.asce.org/publications-and-n ... %20Outfall.
Seems like there should be some existing standards or international laws governing something like this.
There may be, but apparently no way to enforce. It's a bad problem, but largely affects Imperial Beach area. If it gets up to Coronado where the rich people live, they'll probably do something about it.

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O Really wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2024 8:08 pm
GoCubsGo wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2024 7:30 pm
O Really wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2024 5:23 pm
Yeah, it's a mess. Probably be cheaper to just build the Mexicans better treatment plants, or at least keep ours running better.

https://www.asce.org/publications-and-n ... %20Outfall.
Seems like there should be some existing standards or international laws governing something like this.
There may be, but apparently no way to enforce. It's a bad problem, but largely affects Imperial Beach area. If it gets up to Coronado where the rich people live, they'll probably do something about it.
I kind of figured it would be toothless.

I kind of remember reading about problems like this in neighboring countries in Europe and it taking years in international court to get resolved.
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Problem seems to be that those directly affected, SD county and Tijuana, don't have much authority and those that would have to work together, US and Mexico, don't have it as a great priority

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O Really wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2024 9:10 pm
Problem seems to be that those directly affected, SD county and Tijuana, don't have much authority and those that would have to work together, US and Mexico, don't have it as a great priority
:( That sucks.

Now for some good news:
National Parks nonprofit receiving largest grant in its history

An Indiana-based philanthropic endowment will give $100 million to the official nonprofit of the National Park Service (NPS), the largest gift the organization has ever received.

The National Park Foundation (NPF) announced Monday it has received the award from the Lilly Endowment. The foundation has not yet determined details of how the grant will be applied across the hundreds of national park sites, but foundation CEO Will Shafroth said the group hopes to announce an initial round of grants by the end of the year.

“For over 50 years, private philanthropy has played a vital role in bridging the gap between park needs and available funding. This grant will allow us to supercharge our efforts to ensure our national parks are for everyone, for generations to come,” Shafroth said in a statement.

“The impact of this gift will be felt in our parks and in surrounding communities for generations to come,” NPS Director Chuck Sams said. “This is a truly visionary investment, and an example of how the power of philanthropy can amplify this crucial work that we all believe in so much.”...
:happy-cheerleaderkid: x $100M.
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Speaking of sewage . . .
Something’s Poisoning America’s Farms. Scientists Fear ‘Forever’ Chemicals.

For decades, farmers across America have been encouraged by the federal government to spread municipal sewage on millions of acres of farmland as fertilizer. It was rich in nutrients, and it helped keep the sludge out of landfills.

But a growing body of research shows that this black sludge, made from the sewage that flows from homes and factories, can contain heavy concentrations of chemicals thought to increase the risk of certain types of cancer and to cause birth defects and developmental delays in children.

Known as forever chemicals because of their longevity, these toxic contaminants are now being detected, sometimes at high levels, on farmland across the country, including in Texas, Maine, Michigan, New York and Tennessee. In some cases the chemicals are suspected of sickening or killing livestock and are turning up in produce. Farmers are beginning to fear for their own health.

The national scale of farmland contamination by these chemicals — which are used in everything from microwave popcorn bags and firefighting gear to nonstick pans and stain-resistant carpets — is only now starting to become apparent. There are now lawsuits against providers of the fertilizer, as well as against the Environmental Protection Agency, alleging that the agency failed to regulate the chemicals, known as PFAS....
:problem: Crap :(
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Now for some good news:
As removal of dams frees Klamath River, California tribes see hope of saving salmon

... Over the last few weeks, crews have nearly finished removing the last of the four dams that once held back the Klamath River near the California-Oregon border.

On Wednesday, workers carved channels to breach the remaining cofferdams at the last two sites, allowing water to flow freely along more than 40 miles of the Klamath for the first time in more than a century.

Indigenous leaders and activists cheered, smiled and embraced as they watched the river slowly begin to pour through what was left of Iron Gate Dam. Some were in tears....

(the entire article is informative and heartwarming)
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I've seen dam removal elsewhere. It's a beautiful thing.

Work should be complete in Sept. O Really, if you stop on your way north in the Spring you could see the free-flowing Klamath in its first year.
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Sun Sep 01, 2024 5:01 pm
Now for some good news:

As removal of dams frees Klamath River, California tribes see hope of saving salmon


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I've seen dam removal elsewhere. It's a beautiful thing.

Work should be complete in Sept. O Really, if you stop on your way north in the Spring you could see the free-flowing Klamath in its first year.
Just weeks after Klamath River dam removals, salmon spotted in long-obstructed streams

For the first time since 1912, wildlife officials say salmon are returning to tributaries on the Oregon side of the Klamath Basin. It's the culmination of the largest dam removal project in the U.S.

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https://www.kgw.com/article/tech/scienc ... aeea77ca1c
112 years! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
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"Strike against manufacturing shrapnel and gas bombs and all other tools of murder!... Be not dumb, obedient slaves in an army of destruction.... Strike against war, for without you no battles can be fought!"
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"Strike against manufacturing shrapnel and gas bombs and all other tools of murder!... Be not dumb, obedient slaves in an army of destruction.... Strike against war, for without you no battles can be fought!"
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