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Supsalemgr wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2025 2:45 pm

For starters, the war on fossil fuels. Regardless of one's feelings about that source they are what powers just about everything we produce or do. Secondly, the regulations associated with the "green new deal" has added to the costs of services and products. Thirdly, there have been many new regulations implemented and the left applauded these regulations. They cost of those are not absorbed, but passed on to the consumer.
What war on fossil fuels?

We pumped more oil under Biden than any time in history.

In your own back yard.
Thanks Biden.


What Green New Deal regulations? You are aware that there has never been a green new deal law or implemented policy?
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One week in.



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Helluva an attorney. 🤣🙄

The legislative body doesn't matter?

The judicial system even less?

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So Trump's press secretary stated that birthright citizenship is unconstitutional. She said that this (Trump's) administration's legal opinion is that it isn't in fact constitutional, and that opinions otherwise are simply different legal opinions.

What does the literal 14th amendment of the Constitution say?

This:
Section 1

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States;
What!?

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O Really wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2025 11:46 am
Anybody considered the sad truth that the US government is no more trustworthy in what it says to the public than the governments in Russia and China?
If the USG "buys" (extorts) half of TikTok we can be sure that DonOLD/Project 2025 will exert more editorial control over it than the theoretical but unproven manipulation that the Chinese government does.
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Whack9 wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2025 4:45 pm
So Trump's press secretary stated that birthright citizenship is unconstitutional. She said that this (Trump's) administration's legal opinion is that it isn't in fact constitutional, and that opinions otherwise are simply different legal opinions.

What does the literal 14th amendment of the Constitution say?

This:
Section 1

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States;
What!?
Ah, but was that the intent of the 14th?🤔🙄

Let's have different legal opinions on plain language, as opposed to repealing or changing the amendment.

Muddying the waters is what they do best when the law isn't on their side.
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Supsalemgr wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:20 pm
I certainly did not anticipate an immediate price reduction on items. Just like it took time for the Biden policies to cause an increase in prices it will take time for the reductions.
Never mind that DonOLD promised immediate price reductions. Don't put your eggs in that basket.

Still pushing that lie? There was GLOBAL inflation as we rebounded from the pandemic and demand outpaced the ability of the product pipeline to keep up. In fact, US inflation was less severe than in most comparable nations and Biden policies brought inflation down more rapidly than many places.

It's funny how bad you "fiscal responsibility" Repugs are at basic economics.
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Probably not that big a win. It'll be appealed and/or ignored.

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Whack9 wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2025 4:45 pm
So Trump's press secretary stated that birthright citizenship is unconstitutional. She said that this (Trump's) administration's legal opinion is that it isn't in fact constitutional, and that opinions otherwise are simply different legal opinions.

What does the literal 14th amendment of the Constitution say?

This:
Section 1

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States;
What!?
Just as with his private legal affairs DonOLD's lawyers (now US lawyers :roll: ) are in the unenviable position of having to craft legal arguments to match his dementia. Whatever happens in court the adoring cultists will swallow the :bs: . In reality:
https://www.blueridgedebate.com/viewtop ... 04#p207304
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Thu Jan 23, 2025 8:54 pm
Federal Judge Temporarily Blocks Trump’s Executive Order Ending Birthright Citizenship
Several states sued the Trump administration over the order, arguing the 14th Amendment and Supreme Court case law have cemented birthright citizenship.


A federal judge on Thursday temporarily blocked President Donald Trump’s executive order redefining birthright citizenship, calling it “blatantly unconstitutional” during the first hearing in a multi-state effort challenging the order.

U.S. District Judge John Coughenour repeatedly interrupted a Justice Department lawyer during arguments to ask how he could consider the order constitutional. When the attorney, Brett Shumate, said he’d like a chance to explain it in a full briefing, Coughenour told him the hearing was his chance.
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... Coughenour, a Ronald Reagan appointee, began the hearing by grilling the administration’s attorneys, saying the order “boggles the mind.”

“This is a blatantly unconstitutional order,” Coughenour told Shumate. Coughenour said he’s been on the bench for more than four decades, and he couldn’t remember seeing another case where the action challenged was so clearly unconstitutional.
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... Trump’s order prompted attorneys general to share their personal connections to birthright citizenship. Connecticut Attorney General William Tong, for instance, a U.S. citizen by birthright and the nation’s first Chinese American elected attorney general, said the lawsuit was personal for him.

“There is no legitimate legal debate on this question. But the fact that Trump is dead wrong will not prevent him from inflicting serious harm right now on American families like my own,” Tong said this week....

“Stripping children of the ‘priceless treasure’ of citizenship is a grave injury,” the suit says. “It denies them the full membership in U.S. society to which they are entitled.”
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"Coughenour, a Ronald Reagan appointee ... 'This is a blatantly unconstitutional order'” ...
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GoCubsGo wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:54 pm
O Really wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:49 pm
Real question: which specific Biden policies caused increases in prices? Many have blamed him in vague terms, but nobody ever says how.
Good luck getting a real answer on that one.
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Supsalemgr wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2025 2:45 pm
For starters, the war on fossil fuels. Regardless of one's feelings about that source they are what powers just about everything we produce or do. Secondly, the regulations associated with the "green new deal" has added to the costs of services and products. Thirdly, there have been many new regulations implemented and the left applauded these regulations. They cost of those are not absorbed, but passed on to the consumer.
:roll: As I said, lies.

Sadly, there's been no significant "war on fossil fuels." In fact, US oil production INCREASED under Biden.
U.S. Field Production of Crude Oil (Thousand Barrels per Day)
OPPS!

Sadly, Biden NEVER adopted the Green New Deal and you will cower from proving otherwise.

EDIT: Opps, GoCubsGo beat me to it on both of these points. I was away from the computer and I'm slowly catching up with this busy thread.

Which "many new regulations" contributed to inflation and why do you object to them? Be specific.

Finally, please tell us why US inflation was LESS than most comparable nations and why it ABATED FASTER than many of them. Be honest.
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GoCubsGo wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2025 6:19 pm
Whack9 wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2025 4:45 pm
So Trump's press secretary stated that birthright citizenship is unconstitutional. She said that this (Trump's) administration's legal opinion is that it isn't in fact constitutional, and that opinions otherwise are simply different legal opinions.

What does the literal 14th amendment of the Constitution say?

This:
Section 1

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States;
What!?
Ah, but was that the intent of the 14th?🤔🙄

Let's have different legal opinions on plain language, as opposed to repealing or changing the amendment.

Muddying the waters is what they do best when the law isn't on their side.
So it seems like those who fawn over Trump while also declaring that they support the constitution above all else are simply liars. This was already strongly suspected, now it's just further confirmed.

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Whack9 wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2025 7:00 pm
GoCubsGo wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2025 6:19 pm
Ah, but was that the intent of the 14th?🤔🙄

Let's have different legal opinions on plain language, as opposed to repealing or changing the amendment.

Muddying the waters is what they do best when the law isn't on their side.
So it seems like those who fawn over Trump while also declaring that they support the constitution above all else are simply liars. This was already strongly suspected, now it's just further confirmed.
:naughty: That's not very generous of you. Many in the DonOLD Cult are morons. :wave:
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Vrede too wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2025 7:15 pm
Whack9 wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2025 7:00 pm
GoCubsGo wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2025 6:19 pm
Ah, but was that the intent of the 14th?🤔🙄

Let's have different legal opinions on plain language, as opposed to repealing or changing the amendment.

Muddying the waters is what they do best when the law isn't on their side.
So it seems like those who fawn over Trump while also declaring that they support the constitution above all else are simply liars. This was already strongly suspected, now it's just further confirmed.
:naughty: That's not very generous of you. Many in the DonOLD Cult are morons. :wave:
Came here to say sort of that.

Plain fucking stupid is the phrase I would've picked though.
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Project 2025, which trump apparently still knows nothing about has arrived.
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GoCubsGo wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2025 2:59 pm
Supsalemgr wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2025 2:45 pm

For starters, the war on fossil fuels. Regardless of one's feelings about that source they are what powers just about everything we produce or do. Secondly, the regulations associated with the "green new deal" has added to the costs of services and products. Thirdly, there have been many new regulations implemented and the left applauded these regulations. They cost of those are not absorbed, but passed on to the consumer.
What war on fossil fuels?

We pumped more oil under Biden than any time in history.

In your own back yard.
Thanks Biden.


What Green New Deal regulations? You are aware that there has never been a green new deal law or implemented policy?
Even I know you are not as ignorant to the issue as your post reflects. I was asked a question and I responded. I am sorry it went over your head.

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Supsalemgr wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2025 6:17 am
Even I know you are not as ignorant to the issue as your post reflects. I was asked a question and I responded. I am sorry it went over your head.
SoupySales translated: I was asked a question, lied and got busted with hard evidence, twice. Now, I'm projecting my MAGAt ignorance upon others and am desperately deflecting. Waaa!
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There you go again. Trying to put words in my mouth and thoughts in my mind.

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Supsalemgr wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2025 6:17 am

Even I know you are not as ignorant to the issue as your post reflects. I was asked a question and I responded. I am sorry it went over your head.
Who's head did it go over?

Your answer isn't tethered to reality.
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Vrede too wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2025 7:40 am
Supsalemgr wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2025 6:17 am
Even I know you are not as ignorant to the issue as your post reflects. I was asked a question and I responded. I am sorry it went over your head.
SoupySales translated: I was asked a question, lied and got busted with hard evidence, twice. Now, I'm projecting my MAGAt ignorance upon others and am desperately deflecting. Waaa!
Monster Man on LNF does that as well. Half a chance he and supplicant sales manager are the same person.....they certainly are in the same cult, even using the same language, dancing around a topic when unable to justify their views.

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Vrede too wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2025 7:40 am
Supsalemgr wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2025 6:17 am
Even I know you are not as ignorant to the issue as your post reflects. I was asked a question and I responded. I am sorry it went over your head.
SoupySales translated: I was asked a question, lied and got busted with hard evidence, twice. Now, I'm projecting my MAGAt ignorance upon others and am desperately deflecting. Waaa!
Supsalemgr wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2025 8:17 am
There you go again. Trying to put words in my mouth and thoughts in my mind.
There you go again, cowering from your screw ups with a typical victimized MAGAt whine. :violin: Again:
https://www.blueridgedebate.com/viewtop ... 12#p207612
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