Donny, are you ok?
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Sunday.
Eamus Catuli~AC 000000 000101 010202 020303 010304 020405....Ahhhh, forget it, it's gonna be a while.
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Re: Donny, are you ok?
Yeah, but that's likely because they don't look further than the surface of the policy. F'rinstance, most everybody can support the policy of identifying and deporting criminals who are undocumented immigrants. But maybe not by violating the law to do so. And maybe not to put them in concentration camps, and maybe not to perp-walk the abuela who's been cleaning their house and taking care of their kids for years.supesalemgr2 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 13, 2025 10:15 am
I understand that observation. What is interesting about Trump is that many of his supporters find him offensive in his style, but firmly stand behind his policies.
It's standard Republican mantra to cut taxes (for some), reduce size of government, cut regulations, enforce "law and order", be good to corporations, be tough on labor, and wave the US flag. Pretty much every Republican since Reagan has campaigned on some version of these. So it's easy to hear Trump's sweeping grandiose promises and think "hey, that's good - if he does that, I can put up with his crass crudeness, narcissistic personality, and underlying cruelty."
Look just a little below the surface to see what's really happening in implementation of these pie in the sky policies, and one might realize it's not what they thought they were voting for.
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Nice try, but after the dust settles the bill and Trump's actions will be taken as whole Then people will make their decisions. Meanwhile, the democrats continue to self destruct with their own actions.Vrede too wrote: ↑Sun Jul 13, 2025 11:16 amSuch as, along with the entire Leopards thread that GoCubsGo links:supesalemgr2 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 13, 2025 10:15 amI understand that observation. What is interesting about Trump is that many of his supporters find him offensive in his style, but firmly stand behind his policies.
Slashing Medicaid after promising he wouldn't?
Slashing children's nutrition and early education programs?
Deporting children with cancer?
Claiming to halt farm and hotel raids and then not doing so?
Deploying troops to LA at enormous cost when the LA city and county cops had the unrest well in hand and did not want assistance that was guaranteed to exacerbate tensions?
Ending childhood cancer research?
The DoJ implosion?
The Elon Mush implosion?
Massively increasing the deficit?
Erratic tariff policy?
Taxing Americans with the tariffs that have been put in place?
Tanking the midterms?
Pardoning people who violently attacked police?
Slashing NOAA, NWS and FEMA?
I could go on for hours just listing things that many if not most cons should object to. Of course, cultists don't really count as cons anymore.All the posts have been to me. I may play along until he repeats the behavior that made me get bored and mute him in the first place. I don't expect it to take long.GoCubsGo wrote: ↑Sun Jul 13, 2025 10:25 amWe're only six months in even though it feels like fucking forever. It's not all sunshine and roses, especially this week.
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Those immigration polling numbers are wild, thanks. I thought US bigotry was deeper than that.
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I can't wait to see what the moronic cult members will have to say when they start having to pay 30 or 40 percent more for damn near everything they buy while listening to Republicans telling them how many new factories and jobs will be created. Hilarious. A goddamn fairy tale.
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Vrede too wrote: ↑Sun Jul 13, 2025 11:16 amSuch as, along with the entire Leopards thread that GoCubsGo links:supesalemgr2 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 13, 2025 10:15 amI understand that observation. What is interesting about Trump is that many of his supporters find him offensive in his style, but firmly stand behind his policies.
Slashing Medicaid after promising he wouldn't?
Slashing children's nutrition and early education programs?
Deporting children with cancer?
Claiming to halt farm and hotel raids and then not doing so?
Deploying troops to LA at enormous cost when the LA city and county cops had the unrest well in hand and did not want assistance that was guaranteed to exacerbate tensions?
Ending childhood cancer research?
The DoJ implosion?
The Elon Mush implosion?
Massively increasing the deficit?
Erratic tariff policy?
Taxing Americans with the tariffs that have been put in place?
Tanking the midterms?
Pardoning people who violently attacked police?
Slashing NOAA, NWS and FEMA?
I could go on for hours just listing things that many if not most cons should object to. Of course, cultists don't really count as cons anymore.All the posts have been to me. I may play along until he repeats the behavior that made me get bored and mute him in the first place. I don't expect it to take long.GoCubsGo wrote: ↑Sun Jul 13, 2025 10:25 amWe're only six months in even though it feels like fucking forever. It's not all sunshine and roses, especially this week.
https://blueridgedebate.com/viewtopic.p ... 64c295068b
Why the new account?
Never mind, I thought I was special.
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Those immigration polling numbers are wild, thanks. I thought US bigotry was deeper than that.
Nice try, but people are looking at the BUB "as whole" and their view of it even before passage was abysmal. Couldn't even address one of the list of DonOLD's policies that you supposedly "firmly stand behind"? Classic SoupySales and MAGA avoidance. This is why I muted your original handle. There's no point to debate and I just get tempted to waste my time.supesalemgr2 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 13, 2025 2:06 pmNice try, but after the dust settles the bill and Trump's actions will be taken as whole Then people will make their decisions. Meanwhile, the democrats continue to self destruct with their own actions.
Anyhow, the major elements of the BUB are known and none of them are popular:
The massive granny-killing Medicaid cut that you denied was coming;
Massive budget-busting tax break for fat cats. Funny how MAGA now firmly stands behind huge deficit spending;
Turning the $9B ICE into a $170B behemoth. GoCubsGo just gave you the popularity rating of ICE - Classic SoupySales and MAGA avoidance;
Slashing children's nutrition and early education programs;
All the individual pork riders.
That is your "whole".
I may play along until he repeats the behavior that made me get bored and mute him in the first place. I don't expect it to take long.

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supesalemgr2 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 13, 2025 2:06 pmNice try, but after the dust settles the bill and Trump's actions will be taken as whole Then people will make their decisions. Meanwhile, the democrats continue to self destruct with their own actions.Vrede too wrote: ↑Sun Jul 13, 2025 11:16 amSuch as, along with the entire Leopards thread that GoCubsGo links:supesalemgr2 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 13, 2025 10:15 amI understand that observation. What is interesting about Trump is that many of his supporters find him offensive in his style, but firmly stand behind his policies.
Slashing Medicaid after promising he wouldn't?
Slashing children's nutrition and early education programs?
Deporting children with cancer?
Claiming to halt farm and hotel raids and then not doing so?
Deploying troops to LA at enormous cost when the LA city and county cops had the unrest well in hand and did not want assistance that was guaranteed to exacerbate tensions?
Ending childhood cancer research?
The DoJ implosion?
The Elon Mush implosion?
Massively increasing the deficit?
Erratic tariff policy?
Taxing Americans with the tariffs that have been put in place?
Tanking the midterms?
Pardoning people who violently attacked police?
Slashing NOAA, NWS and FEMA?
I could go on for hours just listing things that many if not most cons should object to. Of course, cultists don't really count as cons anymore.All the posts have been to me. I may play along until he repeats the behavior that made me get bored and mute him in the first place. I don't expect it to take long.GoCubsGo wrote: ↑Sun Jul 13, 2025 10:25 amWe're only six months in even though it feels like fucking forever. It's not all sunshine and roses, especially this week.
https://blueridgedebate.com/viewtopic.p ... 64c295068b
Why the new account?
Never mind, I thought I was special.
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Those immigration polling numbers are wild, thanks. I thought US bigotry was deeper than that.

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supesalemgr2 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 13, 2025 10:15 am... What is interesting about Trump is that many of his supporters find him offensive in his style, but firmly stand behind his policies.

How Republicans Learned To Stop Worrying And Love Crushing Federal Debt
Two decades after a GOP vice president declared that deficits don’t matter, Trump and his party are going all out to test that theory.
U.S. President Donald Trump (C) bangs a gavel after signing the "Big Beautiful Bill Act" at the White House in Washington, DC, on July 4, 2025.
Two decades after then-Vice President Dick Cheney declared that deficits don’t matter, members of his own party appear intent on proving his theory, adding another massive, multi-trillion-dollar slab onto the national debt.
Despite frequently expressing outrage about how much the country is borrowing to pay for basic operating costs, President Donald Trump and Republican majorities in both chambers of Congress voted to erode the tax base even further, increasing annual deficits and sending the federal debt to historic highs.
Trump inherited a robust economy with low unemployment in 2017 and yet, with a big tax cut, began generating $1 trillion-a-year budget deficits. When the COVID pandemic hit in the final year of his term, shrinking tax revenues while simultaneously requiring massive federal spending to avert a recession, the combination left Trump adding $8 trillion to the debt in just four years.
As he began his second term in January, the anticipated new debt already projected by the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office totaled some $7 trillion, and that was before the $3.4 trillion his new legislation will add over the coming decade. If the temporary components of the just-passed tax bill — such as new deductions for the elderly and those earning overtime and tip income — are made permanent, that total would surpass $5 trillion.

... Which means that by the time Trump is constitutionally required to leave office in 2029, the national debt will likely be $45 trillion — with Trump himself having contributed $18 trillion of it over two terms.
Which also means that interest on the federal debt is now among the top budget categories, near $1 trillion a year, and the country’s key ratio of debt to gross domestic product is near 100% and could pass 120% by 2035 – renewing fears of a debt crisis where investors both at home and abroad are no longer willing to lend the U.S. money by purchasing treasury bonds....
From Reagan to Trump
While Trump and his followers routinely lie that his tax cuts are the largest in history, that honor actually belongs to Ronald Reagan, who in 1981 pushed through reductions totaling 2.9% of the nation’s GDP at the time.
In contrast, George W. Bush’s 2001 and 2003 cuts amounted to 1.3% of GDP and Trump’s 2017 cuts were about 0.7% of GDP.
But between Reagan and the second Bush came a sea change in how the party viewed federal debt.
While Reagan is universally known for cutting taxes, Americans are less aware today that he also raised them, repeatedly, a total of 11 times over his two terms. His Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act of 1982, in fact, was among the largest tax increases in U.S. history....
Embracing debt
... In the final years of Clinton’s second term, the debt-to-GDP ratio was shrinking, and actually paying off the national debt seemed within reach.

That prospect quickly evaporated. The presidential candidate who won the 2000 election had promised sweeping tax cuts and immediately worked to enact them after taking office.
George W. Bush and congressional Republicans in that year also came up with a strategy that has since become a core part of the playbook: game the congressional budgetary analyses that would reveal how their tax cuts would generate massive and persistent deficits simply by making the cuts temporary....


An intentional revenue problem
... “We used to be on track for our revenues to be on pace with our spending,” he said. “Then we cut taxes disproportionately for the rich. Now we are no longer on track.”
Today, the revenue line and the spending line diverge into the future, and will require tax increases or spending cuts totaling $1 trillion a year or more just to maintain a debt-to-GDP ratio that is as high as it was at the end of World War II.


... Voters, meanwhile, do not seem eager to pay any more, especially given the claims from Trump and his allies that the federal government is rife with “waste, fraud and abuse” — notwithstanding the inability of multi-billionaire and former White House aide Elon Musk to find it in any meaningful quantities.

MAGA = Greece... More mainstream economists wonder whether policymakers will appreciate their situation in time or whether it will require an actual economic disaster to spur them into action.
“That’s what happened to Greece,” Wolfers said. “So it does happen to first-world countries.”


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I wish you were right, and you may be in regard to your own friends and people you know. I wish people would take Trump's actions as a whole and recognize the long-lasting and possibly irrevocable damage he has caused and is causing.supesalemgr2 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 13, 2025 2:06 pm
Nice try, but after the dust settles the bill and Trump's actions will be taken as whole Then people will make their decisions. Meanwhile, the democrats continue to self destruct with their own actions.
But unfortunately, most voters don't pay that much attention and they don't do much analytical thinking. They respond to today's slogan, today's talking point, and often what fits their pre-held beliefs. When their East Bumphuque hospital closes and their prices are higher than ever and their veggie/fruit shelves are empty, they'll draw their own conclusions fershure.
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MAGA: It's the libs' fault.But unfortunately, most voters don't pay that much attention and they don't do much analytical thinking. They respond to today's slogan, today's talking point, and often what fits their pre-held beliefs. When their East Bumphuque hospital closes and their prices are higher than ever and their veggie/fruit shelves are empty, they'll draw their own conclusions fershure.
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MAGA action plan:
1. Let's make up a problem that doesn't exist and tell everybody it's an emergency that endangers national security.
2. Let's offer a solution that doesn't relate to the problem even if it did exist, and which wouldn't fix it anyway and tell everybody that we have to do this to fix the mess the libs made.
3. Let's keep up an underlying theme of fear and persecution, keeping the idea going that "they" are out to get you, and then exchanging the "enemy" as need be - sometimes Mexicans, sometimes Black people, sometimes women, sometimes gays.
4. Let's encourage rudeness and a callous disregard to human respect. Such an atmosphere makes it easier to dehumanize others and more acceptable to hurt them.
5. Let's make up several entities that can be blamed for practically anything with no ability to prove or disprove.
6. Let's encourage and stimulate cognitive dissonance in all aspects so that we can never be accused of hypocritical changes.
1. Let's make up a problem that doesn't exist and tell everybody it's an emergency that endangers national security.
2. Let's offer a solution that doesn't relate to the problem even if it did exist, and which wouldn't fix it anyway and tell everybody that we have to do this to fix the mess the libs made.
3. Let's keep up an underlying theme of fear and persecution, keeping the idea going that "they" are out to get you, and then exchanging the "enemy" as need be - sometimes Mexicans, sometimes Black people, sometimes women, sometimes gays.
4. Let's encourage rudeness and a callous disregard to human respect. Such an atmosphere makes it easier to dehumanize others and more acceptable to hurt them.
5. Let's make up several entities that can be blamed for practically anything with no ability to prove or disprove.
6. Let's encourage and stimulate cognitive dissonance in all aspects so that we can never be accused of hypocritical changes.