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While all this was going down, yet another school shooting took place in Colorado.

https://www.denverpost.com/2025/09/11/e ... o-updates/

‘Radicalized’ Evergreen High School shooter appeared to hold antisemitic, violent views in online accounts


Another RWer, surprise surprise. :sick:
The Kirk murderer and the school shooter were both young white guys. The demographic of them shouldn't really matter, as shitty people come in all forms, but in light of how some people in power immediately tried to frame the Kirk murder for their own political ends and initially point to trans folks (Nancy Mace, for example) or "left wing extremists" (a few reps, pundits), but aren't likewise pointing out the pattern of young white guys partaking in school shootings and political assassinations shows these things only matter to them insofar as they can be wielded as a political weapon against their foes. They don't actually care about the tragedy itself, nor the victims.


Disarm young white guys, now!
They're not arguing in good faith. I mean, we already knew this, but the proof is just so incredibly blatant and obvious it's almost insulting.

What's the problem at hand? Political polarization culminating in violence.

What's the solution? De-escalation.

How to accomplish the solution? Those in positions of power and those with influence, on all sides, calling for de-escalation and working towards that goal.

But the dude at the top has been doing anything but that.

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The dude at the top has done everything he can to create dissention and hate. As long as that's the tone, nothing will get better.

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Aha, proof that Turning Point USA is Satanist. Hell is the only place people as hateful as Charlie will go, if there is a Hell.
Someone needs to send you there. Although, you can't leave BRD long enough to be in public view. Maybe that trip to the mailbox will be your last, asshole. :obscene-birdiered:
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Aha, proof that Turning Point USA is Satanist. Hell is the only place people as hateful as Charlie will go, if there is a Hell.
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I'd add reasonable gun control to Whack9's "de-escalation", but that still has the same problem:
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The dude at the top has done everything he can to create dissension and hate. As long as that's the tone, nothing will get better.
Are you saying that a "2nd Amendment solution" is our only hope? ;)
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Aha, proof that Turning Point USA is Satanist. Hell is the only place people as hateful as Charlie will go, if there is a Hell.
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My bad, I get angered when a leftist queer murders a conservative voice that makes a difference in people's lives.

At least Tyler Robinson's relationship with his transgender partner has him prepared for prison life, what short time it will be.

Charlie Kirk wasn't killed because of the 2nd amendment. Charlie Kirk was killed because of the 1st amendment.
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So easy.

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The politics and motive of Charlie Kirk's executioner are still murky, despite the unsupported claims of Utah's MAGA Gov. Spencer Cox (R) and other RWers.

Otoh, there is no doubt about the Evergreen High School shooter in Colorado. He was deeply indoctrinated with rightist ideology, neo-Nazi White supremacism and antisemitism. The suicide of any 16 year old is a tragedy, but you know what they say:
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I think what has just transpired is tremendously disturbing. It is the latest evolution and instance of political violence in the United States, and it must end.

Beyond rhetoric, we need to talk about action.

Every single day, there are people in this building that continue to vote against doing anything. They vote against universal background checks. They continue to support legislation and also remove any way to block the mentally ill, to block extremists, to block people with histories and records of domestic violence from getting guns in their hands. So are we going to do something about this or not?

Are we going to do something? Or are we going to argue over rhetoric?

People can finger-point all they want. Look at the record. Look at the actions of what we are doing. I don't think a single person who has dedicated their entire career to preventing gun safety legislation from getting passed in this house has any right to blame anybody else but themselves for what is happening.

When a politician tries to blame words for inaction, they need to look at their action and their record.

Enough of this. This is horrific. This is awful. And the assassination of Charlie Kirk risks in uncorking of political chaos and violence that we cannot risk in America.


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Good article on the murky motives. Despite the whackadoodle trumpaloons attempt to frame him as leftist, at this point it's a clusterfuck and until he speaks we may never know.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/sus ... 36445.html
The 22-year-old carefully inscribed bullet casings with references to obscure online subcultures and left them at the scene, they said. When piecing together what else they knew about Robinson to make sense of his alleged crime, investigators said he had recently expressed his open dislike of Kirk, that he spent lots of time online, and that he had an affinity for guns.

Robinson's alleged decision to leave messages to be interpreted in his wake is common for perpetrators of political violence. What makes this case unique, however, is how obscure the messages were; they contain references to memes and in-jokes that could only be understood by a niche community of online gamers.

Those messages, and the scant information about his past that has emerged so far, have given both sides of the political spectrum enough room to claim him for the other side.

Even the engravings with ostensibly political meanings may not be so clear-cut. On one of the bullets were the words: “Hey fascist! CATCH! (up arrow symbol, right arrow symbol, and three down arrow symbols),” Cox said.
Those words, though, are likely a reference to a sequence of moves on a controller that unleashes a powerful bomb and accompanying phrase in a third-person shooter video game called Helldivers 2. The phrase has morphed into a meme that is commonly used on message boards to signal an end to a conversation.

Another message, inscribed on a separate bullet, “Notices bulges OwO what’s this?” is often used as an insult in online role-playing communities. Another read: “If you read This, you are GAY Lmao”—humor that is also common to online male-dominated communities.

While they gave no clear indication of a political affiliation, all of the messages revealed that Robinson was a person who spent a lot of time online. They would have been indecipherable to anyone who was not immersed in the same circles.

Another inscription featured the words to the Italian antifascist anthem “Bella Ciao”. But the song has since been used in the popular Netflix show “Money Heist,” and in the first-person shooter game Far Cry 6.

The antifascist connotations of Bella Ciao led some to believe Robinson may have been a leftist, but members of Robinson’s family have said the entire family is MAGA supporters, and the link to the gaming community suggests it may not be that simple.

Some have attempted to draw a link between Robinson and the far-right Groyper movement, a decentralized group of white nationalists who follow Nick Fuentes and coalesce online around obscure and extremist meme culture. The movement had been at odds with Kirk’s brand of conservatism for some time. Some noted that a Halloween costume worn by Robinson closely resembled a Groyer mascot, and that the Bella Ciao song appeared on a recent public Groyper playlist. But experts on the group have downplayed the evidence released so far.

Fuentes, the unofficial figurehead of the Groypers, has publicly condemned the shooting of Kirk, writing on X that “my followers and I are currently being framed” for Kirk’s killing “based on literally zero evidence.”
Then there's this, although Cox's voice doesn't sound as sure as his words. The roommates names and articles are online, but really don't give clear indications of relationship or motivations.

That probably won't stop MAGAts from their claims though.
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Vrede too wrote:
Sat Sep 13, 2025 8:12 pm
bannination wrote:
Sat Sep 13, 2025 6:29 pm
Vrede too wrote:
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Aha, proof that Turning Point USA is Satanist. Hell is the only place people as hateful as Charlie will go, if there is a Hell.
We have very few rules here, but communicating threats will not be tolerated.

Expect further action to be taken. You're also welcome to leave on your own accord.
Thanks, banni.
My bad, I get angered when a leftist queer murders a conservative voice that makes a difference in people's lives.

At least Tyler Robinson's relationship with his transgender partner has him prepared for prison life, what short time it will be.

Charlie Kirk wasn't killed because of the 2nd amendment. Charlie Kirk was killed because of the 1st amendment.



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Sun Sep 14, 2025 11:20 am
Enough of this. This is horrific. This is awful. And the assassination of Charlie Kirk risks in uncorking of political chaos and violence that we cannot risk in America.

-- Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
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Y'all ashamed of your leftist queer, that's a first. Thought y'all embraced queers & the transgender community. You're as hypocritical as O Really living in a gated community.
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Good article on the murky motives. Despite the whackadoodle trumpaloons attempt to frame him as leftist, at this point it's a clusterfuck and until he speaks we may never know.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/sus ... 36445.html



Then there's this, although Cox's voice doesn't sound as sure as his words. The roommates names and articles are online, but really don't give clear indications of relationship or motivations.

That probably won't stop MAGAts from their claims though.
https://x.com/CNNSOTU/status/1967218780649455853
Thanks, very interesting. For now, I'll stick with:
Vrede too wrote:
Sun Sep 14, 2025 10:45 am
The politics and motive of Charlie Kirk's executioner are still murky, despite the unsupported claims of Utah's MAGA Gov. Spencer Cox (R) and other RWers.


I'm not sure who we can blame for influencing Robinson yet, but it's not looking too good for the gamer community.

Cox (apt name) is an asshole for revealing the gender status of a "incredibly cooperative" witness. Cox (apt name) has no idea whether the witness has come out to all the important people in her life. I'm sure the moronic, gender-obsessed (hmm) RWers are having a field day with it, though.
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Vrede too wrote:
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GoCubsGo wrote:
Sun Sep 14, 2025 11:43 am
Good article on the murky motives. Despite the whackadoodle trumpaloons attempt to frame him as leftist, at this point it's a clusterfuck and until he speaks we may never know.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/sus ... 36445.html



Then there's this, although Cox's voice doesn't sound as sure as his words. The roommates names and articles are online, but really don't give clear indications of relationship or motivations.

That probably won't stop MAGAts from their claims though.
https://x.com/CNNSOTU/status/1967218780649455853
Thanks, very interesting. For now, I'll stick with:
Vrede too wrote:
Sun Sep 14, 2025 10:45 am
The politics and motive of Charlie Kirk's executioner are still murky, despite the unsupported claims of Utah's MAGA Gov. Spencer Cox (R) and other RWers.


I'm not sure who we can blame for influencing Robinson yet, but it's not looking too good for the gamer community.

Cox (apt name) is an asshole for revealing the gender status of a "incredibly cooperative" witness. Cox (apt name) has no idea whether the witness has come out to all the important people in her life. I'm sure the moronic, gender-obsessed (hmm) RWers are having a field day with it, though.
"Cox (apt name) is an asshole for revealing the gender status of a "incredibly cooperative" witness."

Why is telling the truth wrong? Usually this community is proud of their trans status.

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Vrede too wrote:
Sun Sep 14, 2025 6:39 pm
GoCubsGo wrote:
Sun Sep 14, 2025 11:43 am
Good article on the murky motives. Despite the whackadoodle trumpaloons attempt to frame him as leftist, at this point it's a clusterfuck and until he speaks we may never know.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/sus ... 36445.html



Then there's this, although Cox's voice doesn't sound as sure as his words. The roommates names and articles are online, but really don't give clear indications of relationship or motivations.

That probably won't stop MAGAts from their claims though.
https://x.com/CNNSOTU/status/1967218780649455853
Thanks, very interesting. For now, I'll stick with:
Vrede too wrote:
Sun Sep 14, 2025 10:45 am
The politics and motive of Charlie Kirk's executioner are still murky, despite the unsupported claims of Utah's MAGA Gov. Spencer Cox (R) and other RWers.


I'm not sure who we can blame for influencing Robinson yet, but it's not looking too good for the gamer community.

Cox (apt name) is an asshole for revealing the gender status of a "incredibly cooperative" witness. Cox (apt name) has no idea whether the witness has come out to all the important people in her life. I'm sure the moronic, gender-obsessed (hmm) RWers are having a field day with it, though.
Yeah there are loads of weird Internet sub cultures out there that sometimes leak out into reality, unfortunately. And sometimes in bad ways. One such example was the mass shooting in Christchurch NZ some years back. I'd argue these people are more akin to nihilists rather than having any coherent ideology with a specific goal in mind. A non insignificant number of mass shooters were found to have spent a lot of time
in obscure Internet communities, and in a world where the Internet and social media have come to the fore of public culture and discourse it's only becoming more prevalent.

Having everyone play political hot potato with the perps ideology trying to blame the other "side" is probably a goal in and of itself for these people.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/c ... es-meaning

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A Facebook photo in which Robinson appears to reference a Groyper meme has led to early speculation that Kirk’s killing may have been an outgrowth of these intra-far-right skirmishes. But another feature of the modern far-right is an embrace of the post-truth huckster. In these circles, it’s always possible that someone is playing a character—or will claim to be doing so, muddying the waters so no one can accuse them of having a sincere belief beyond the desire to rile up their targets. For people like this, the whole world is a forum board, where lewd public comments and real-world violence are becoming increasingly interchangeable. (Consider the messages left behind by the deceased shooter of Annunciation Catholic School, which were full of references to both other shooters and innocuous memes.)

In every respect, the circumstances surrounding Kirk’s murder are alarming for those with the understandable impulse to make some kind of sense out of terrifying events. It is true that real-life violence is the end result of our cultural coarsening. It is also important to remember that Robinson’s generation is entering public life with frames of reference that are totally foreign to its elders, regardless of individual ideology. We cannot properly comprehend the harm of bad actors or the concerns of the innocent until we have taken the time to learn their language—and sometimes, even then we won’t understand

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"Cox (apt name) is an asshole for revealing the gender status of a "incredibly cooperative" witness."

Why is telling the truth wrong? Usually this community is proud of their trans status.
It's not a matter of whether the person is "proud of their trans status" or not. It's a matter of relevance and protection of an innocent witness' personal information. Those who chose to publish that did so knowing full well that it would cause harassment or worse of a person who had nothing to do with the shooting.

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It occurred to me that nobody in media or politics has mentioned the other 70 (on average) people who were killed by gunfire (not voluntarily) on September 10 who didn't happen to be semi-famous. Did any of those get transported by AF2? Did the top muckety-mucks of the FBI get on TV to brag about how they have caught (oops) the perps? Did their widows get a national platform to vent from? I'm sorry for Kirk's family, but it's just despicable for the administration* and others to create an entire mythical saint out of what is basically just another day in today's 'Murica.

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Good point. Is Charlie Dementia Don's Reichstag?
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Cox (apt name) is an asshole for revealing the gender status of a "incredibly cooperative" witness.


O Really wrote:
Mon Sep 15, 2025 10:33 am
It's not a matter of whether the person is "proud of their trans status" or not. It's a matter of relevance and protection of an innocent witness' personal information. Those who chose to publish that did so knowing full well that it would cause harassment or worse of a person who had nothing to do with the shooting.
Exactly. Thanks.

So, if SoupySales was a cooperating witness in a controversial case where passions were running high on both sides of an issue, he would have been fine with his employer or client list being made public. Right?

Or, maybe he was a law-abiding citizen set to testify against a mob boss. Would he be okay with his home address and the names of his children's schools being released by Gov Cox (apt name)? Why is telling the truth wrong? Usually responsible members of the community are proud of their status.

Honestly, this concept is so simple it shouldn't need to be explained. It's sad that SoupySales doesn't get it and falls back on his vast and intimate knowledge of the trans community and the issues that they face.
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Yeah there are loads of weird Internet sub cultures out there that sometimes leak out into reality, unfortunately. And sometimes in bad ways. One such example was the mass shooting in Christchurch NZ some years back. I'd argue these people are more akin to nihilists rather than having any coherent ideology with a specific goal in mind. A non insignificant number of mass shooters were found to have spent a lot of time in obscure Internet communities, and in a world where the Internet and social media have come to the fore of public culture and discourse it's only becoming more prevalent.

Having everyone play political hot potato with the perps ideology trying to blame the other "side" is probably a goal in and of itself for these people.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/c ... es-meaning

Non paywalled: https://archive.ph/KpyTx


Fascinating, thanks. That makes my head spin. As O Really says, it's good to be old.

I haven't thought about the book and film for a long time but it's like we're realizing A Clockwork Orange. Funny that Anthony Burgess chose "Orange" way back in 1962. Who knew?

If Robinson even was anti-fascist, we should remember that nearly the entire "Greatest Generation" was anti-fascist. Their descendants are now Dems, Repubs and others, but only one team has chosen to embrace so many elements of fascism.
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Vrede too wrote:
Mon Sep 15, 2025 12:29 pm
Whack9 wrote:
Mon Sep 15, 2025 7:19 am
Yeah there are loads of weird Internet sub cultures out there that sometimes leak out into reality, unfortunately. And sometimes in bad ways. One such example was the mass shooting in Christchurch NZ some years back. I'd argue these people are more akin to nihilists rather than having any coherent ideology with a specific goal in mind. A non insignificant number of mass shooters were found to have spent a lot of time in obscure Internet communities, and in a world where the Internet and social media have come to the fore of public culture and discourse it's only becoming more prevalent.

Having everyone play political hot potato with the perps ideology trying to blame the other "side" is probably a goal in and of itself for these people.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/c ... es-meaning

Non paywalled: https://archive.ph/KpyTx


Fascinating, thanks. That makes my head spin. As O Really says, it's good to be old.

I haven't thought about the book and film for a long time but it's like we're realizing A Clockwork Orange. Funny that Anthony Burgess chose "Orange" way back in 1962. Who knew?

If Robinson even was anti-fascist, we should remember that nearly the entire "Greatest Generation" was anti-fascist. Their descendants are now Dems, Repubs and others, but only one team has chosen to embrace so many elements of fascism.
Here's another interesting article on this phenomenon:

https://www.garbageday.email/p/charlie- ... -by-a-meme
The use of memes in political mass violence started in earnest in 2019, when a man filmed himself attacking a mosque in Christchurch, New Zealand. Just before he started, he told viewers, “Subscribe to PewDiePie.” Months later, in Halle, Germany, an attacker livestreamed the shooting of a synagogue on Twitch. In 2022, an 18-year-old white nationalist livestreamed a shooting in a grocery store in Buffalo, New York. Investigators later discovered that he was planning it openly on 4chan and Discord, calling it a “real life effort shitpost.” And in the last year, Luigi Mangione allegedly gunned down UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson with bullets that read, “deny”, “defend”, “depose.” Days later, a 15-year-old posed for a photo flashing the right-wing “ok” hand symbol before allegedly carrying out a school shooting in Madison, Wisconsin. And just last month, Robin Westman allegedly carried out a shooting in Minneapolis with bullets that had a range of messages from all around the political spectrum, including “I’m the woker baby why so queerious”, “skibidi” and the simplified line version of the Loss.JPG meme.

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But the conflicting tone of the bullet casings’ inscriptions may also point to a connection with the Com network and the 764 terror cell offshoot. We’ve covered these groups several times on Panic World. They primarily exist inside of Discord and Telegram group chats. They recruit vulnerable young people around the internet, including inside of multiplayer games like Minecraft and Roblox. They encourage their members to commit horrible crimes with the promise of internet clout, intentionally using conflicting political messages to obscure any larger motive besides inspiring other members of the group to do the same. A month after a school shooter made an “OK” hand sign post, mentioned above, another teenager in Nashville made the exact same joke before allegedly shooting classmates at their high school. ProPublica found they crossed paths several times in these online communities, and the Nashville shooter was making a deliberate reference to his fellow community member. Which is what is so existentially terrifying about our current political moment.

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Made even more confusing by a new nihilistic accelerationist movement that delights in muddying the waters for older people who still adhere to a traditional political spectrum. Many young extremists now believe in a much simpler binary: Order and chaos. And if you are spending any time at all trying to derive meaning from violent acts like this then you are, by definition, their enemy.
Nihilism, basically.

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I haven't thought about the book and film for a long time but it's like we're realizing A Clockwork Orange. Funny that Anthony Burgess chose "Orange" way back in 1962. Who knew?
Great film.
As a matter of ancient trivia, back when everybody was running with a CB radio in their car, I was driving an orange MG-B using "Clockwork Orange" as a handle. Lotta people didn't get it.

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