Surviving a second Trump admin*

[GoCubsGo]

It seems it would be prudent for democrats to steer clear of the pardon situation considering all the "auto-pen" Biden pardons.

Do you think trump personally signed 1,500 Jan 6 pardons? Do you even think he reviewed each one individually?

[Vrede too]

Do you think trump personally signed 1,500 Jan 6 pardons? Do you even think he reviewed each one individually?

That is SoupySales' deflection from Dementia Don's pardoning of a major drug trafficker??? Pitiful.

MAGA is so gullible and stupid! The ONLY time there's a theoretical auto-pen issue is when the signer says, "Wait a second, I never wanted that signed." Otherwise, it's legal, ethical, has been used by all POTUSes since Jefferson, including DonOLD, and will continue to be used long into the future.

[GoCubsGo]

I've seen Jefferson's auto pen.

[GoCubsGo]

It's almost like he admires white collar criminals.

Does drug trafficker + guns = "white collar"?

DonOLD's buddy, Juan Orlando Hernández, was convicted of delivering 400 tons of cocaine to the US. He doesn't even wait for the end of his term to issue these shameful pardons.

Give him a little credit.

He's more than one thing,

[GoCubsGo]

Ah, this is what makes America great again.

[supesalemgr2]

It seems it would be prudent for democrats to steer clear of the pardon situation considering all the "auto-pen" Biden pardons.

Do you think trump personally signed 1,500 Jan 6 pardons? Do you even think he reviewed each one individually?

Nice try at distraction. Sorry you missed my point. Now to answer your question. No. He probably did not review each one. I will ask you the same question about Biden's pardons?

[Whack9]

It seems it would be prudent for democrats to steer clear of the pardon situation considering all the "auto-pen" Biden pardons.

Do you think trump personally signed 1,500 Jan 6 pardons? Do you even think he reviewed each one individually?

Nice try at distraction. Sorry you missed my point. Now to answer your question. No. He probably did not review each one. I will ask you the same question about Biden's pardons?

Thread topic: Trump pardoning criminals and grifters.

Supsale: Issues distraction with "what about Biden."

GoCubsGo: Discusses topic at hand (Trump issuing an absurd number of pardons to grifters)

Supsale: "Nice try at distraction"

[GoCubsGo]

It seems it would be prudent for democrats to steer clear of the pardon situation considering all the "auto-pen" Biden pardons.

Do you think trump personally signed 1,500 Jan 6 pardons? Do you even think he reviewed each one individually?

Nice try at distraction. Sorry you missed my point. Now to answer your question. No. He probably did not review each one. I will ask you the same question about Biden's pardons?

Yes.

Biden granted 80 pardons, focusing primarily on people with older, low-level, nonviolent convictions. Many had completed their sentences decades earlier but continued to face challenges tied to their record. The administration framed pardons as a way to remove lingering consequences, especially for individuals who had stable employment, strong community ties, and long histories of rehabilitation.
https://legalunitedstates.com/how-many- ... iden-give/

[supesalemgr2]

It seems it would be prudent for democrats to steer clear of the pardon situation considering all the "auto-pen" Biden pardons.

Do you think trump personally signed 1,500 Jan 6 pardons? Do you even think he reviewed each one individually?

Nice try at distraction. Sorry you missed my point. Now to answer your question. No. He probably did not review each one. I will ask you the same question about Biden's pardons?

Yes.

Unbelievable.

[O Really]

So let's say Trump authorizes/instructs his ICE gestapo to ignore and violate the Constitutional and statuary rights of citizens and immigrants. And let's say he eventually is out of office and is replaced by, say, President Newsom. If President Newsom (doesn't that sound nice?) continues the Trumpian ICE policy, you can bet your sweet bippy that I'd be criticizing him as hard as I've criticized Trump. Unless I happened to be a "whutabbout-er" in which case I'd say "I bashed Trump over this, but now my guy is doing it and it's fine with me because Trump did it."

[supesalemgr2]

So let's say Trump authorizes/instructs his ICE gestapo to ignore and violate the Constitutional and statuary rights of citizens and immigrants. And let's say he eventually is out of office and is replaced by, say, President Newsom. If President Newsom (doesn't that sound nice?) continues the Trumpian ICE policy, you can bet your sweet bippy that I'd be criticizing him as hard as I've criticized Trump. Unless I happened to be a "whutabbout-er" in which case I'd say "I bashed Trump over this, but now my guy is doing it and it's fine with me because Trump did it."

You have no worries on two points of your scenario.

First, Newsom will not be president. Secondly, if he was he would never retain Trump policies.

[O Really]

So let's say Trump authorizes/instructs his ICE gestapo to ignore and violate the Constitutional and statuary rights of citizens and immigrants. And let's say he eventually is out of office and is replaced by, say, President Newsom. If President Newsom (doesn't that sound nice?) continues the Trumpian ICE policy, you can bet your sweet bippy that I'd be criticizing him as hard as I've criticized Trump. Unless I happened to be a "whutabbout-er" in which case I'd say "I bashed Trump over this, but now my guy is doing it and it's fine with me because Trump did it."

You have no worries on two points of your scenario.

First, Newsom will not be president. Secondly, if he was he would never retain Trump policies.

It was a hypothetical to illustrate a point. On the other hand, there would have been a huge number of people in 2015-16 saying "Trump has no chance and will never be elected". And yet, here he is, again. Strange world we live in.

[O Really]

Here's another analogy for ya': Trump's Wildlife department now works for ICE. Under the banner "Protect the Birdies", they haul pet cats out of their owners lap and take them to the pound where their fate is likely bleak. When challenged, they show statistics about how many birds are killed by feral cats, and that they're really only capturing feral ones. They defend the home raids by claiming that any cat could have the potential of becoming feral. They then ask "isn't anybody opposed to protecting the little birdies working to destroy all wildlife themselves?"

[O Really]

Quote of the day:
"Did you ever wonder what you'd have done during the rise of Facism? You're doing it right now."

[neoplacebo]

So let's say Trump authorizes/instructs his ICE gestapo to ignore and violate the Constitutional and statuary rights of citizens and immigrants. And let's say he eventually is out of office and is replaced by, say, President Newsom. If President Newsom (doesn't that sound nice?) continues the Trumpian ICE policy, you can bet your sweet bippy that I'd be criticizing him as hard as I've criticized Trump. Unless I happened to be a "whutabbout-er" in which case I'd say "I bashed Trump over this, but now my guy is doing it and it's fine with me because Trump did it."

You have no worries on two points of your scenario.

First, Newsom will not be president. Secondly, if he was he would never retain Trump policies.

You win the "I miss the point repeatedly" award. Or is that too severe name calling for you? I've got a million of them. You qualify for many.

[Vrede too]

SoupySales wackadoodle auto-pen whining probably means that he believes that Biden's authorization of auto-pen use was forged and that Michelle Obama wielded it to sign some of the pardons.
https://www.blueridgedebate.com/viewtop ... 48#p221848
https://www.cnn.com/2025/12/04/politics ... fact-check

Thread topic: Trump pardoning criminals and grifters.

Supsale: Issues distraction with "what about Biden."

GoCubsGo: Discusses topic at hand (Trump issuing an absurd number of pardons to grifters)

Supsale: "Nice try at distraction"

It was a hypothetical to illustrate a point. On the other hand, there would have been a huge number of people in 2015-16 saying "Trump has no chance and will never be elected". And yet, here he is, again. Strange world we live in.

During the Obama admin I was training the undocumented and their allies in opposing his mass deportation policies. I posted about it here and don't recall anyone disagreeing with me and defending Obama. Faux Noise has instilled in SoupySales this fantasy that lefties are hypocrites on this and other topics and he parrots it back at us over and over, then cowers from the subject when proven wrong.

[GoCubsGo]

Unbelievable.

Yes, it is.

[Vrede too]

https://x.com/BlueATLGeorgia/status/1996341062776840629

The CNN graphic is misleading. On October 6, 2022 and December 22, 2023 Joe issued categorical pardons for cannabis use or possession on federal lands.

Biden pardons thousands convicted of marijuana charges on federal lands and in Washington

2 pardons = thousands of pardons.

I was a criminal in DC and on many other federal lands, but I never got caught. Close a couple of times.

Also, on December 12, 2024:

Biden commutes roughly 1,500 sentences and pardons 39 people in biggest single-day act of clemency

x roughly 1539

Then,

... On December 23, 2024, Biden commuted the sentences of 37 out of 40 federal death row inmates. On his last day in office, Biden commuted the sentence of Leonard Peltier, convicted of murdering two FBI agents, to house arrest.

x 38.

"Biden issued more individual pardons and commutations than any other president." He remains the champ and good on him for it. The difference between Joltin' Joe and Dementia Don is in who they grant favors to, not how many.

[Vrede too]

Quote of the day:
"Did you ever wonder what you'd have done during the rise of Fascism? You're doing it right now."

I could not find a source, but I did find t-shirts, posters and bumper stickers. Once again, you've handed me a new signature. Thanks! If you want it back, let me know.

[O Really]

Spread the word.
BTW, you were using that as a signature on April 24, 2022, also.
https://www.blueridgedebate.com/viewtop ... 80#p166080