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[Cannonpointer]

A post-racial America starts with you, Vrede.

It looks to me like it's gonna be a while.

Yep, too many racists like you that think blacks should still cower from white stalkers. I'll keep trying, though.

Just try to notice that "cower" is something from your head, not from our conversation. Just try, son.

Also, try to notice that you are calling a Hispanic mestizo "white," because of your anger and frustration at not being able to make history "fair."

[Cannonpointer]

Multiple lies ducked, GZ and Cannonpointer are soul mates.

Actions speak louder than words. He was home. He left home, and surreptitiously circled his antagonist. He did not take these extra steps in order to converse.

Yes, it's obvious by now how your fearful imagination runs wild when it comes to black youth.

Yes, anyone who sees the matter differently than you is a racist. We already got that meme three thousand whines ago.

Meanwhile, try to give us a GOOD motive for circling the guy and getting between him and his vehicle. I'll just wait, with my "fearful imagination" working overtime.

[mike]

Cannonpointer is a plant ... from somewhere.

His self presented "liberal" bent has long ago been shredded by his own typed words.

[O Really]

Hey, Cannon - you wouldn't happen to have a link/cite for that testimony you've tossed around here that says Martin made it safely home and then went out searching for the "cracker," would you? There's the Jonathan Good testimony about "a black guy in a black hoodie on top of the other..." Whose testimony was it that Martin got home and then went out?

[Boatrocker]

Cannonpointer is a plant ... from somewhere.

His self presented "liberal" bent has long ago been shredded by his own typed words.

Not from CPF, I'm sure. But some sort of poser.

[Cannonpointer]

Cannonpointer is a plant ... from somewhere.

LOFL. I'm an animal, not a plant. You can't even discern species, and you presume to make judgments?

[Cannonpointer]

Vrede lied, "In contrast, you've posted the stupidity that Hispanic is automatically non-white and, of course, ran away when it was pointed ou how stupid that is."

Liar. I said HE is brown. And he is. Your desperation that he be "white" simply makes you ignore his OBVIOUS brown racial heritage.

[Cannonpointer]

Cannonpointer is a plant ... from somewhere.

His self presented "liberal" bent has long ago been shredded by his own typed words.

Not from CPF, I'm sure. But some sort of poser.

Now, why you gotta be rockin the boat?

Oh, wait. Never mind.

Tell me, what is the PURPOSE of my being "planted" here? What is "their" diabolical plan?

[Boatrocker]

Cannonpointer is a plant ... from somewhere.

His self presented "liberal" bent has long ago been shredded by his own typed words.

Not from CPF, I'm sure. But some sort of poser.

Now, why you gotta be rockin the boat?

Oh, wait. Never mind.

Tell me, what is the PURPOSE of my being "planted" here? What is "their" diabolical plan?

Honestly, I don't care.

[Cannonpointer]

Hey, Cannon - you wouldn't happen to have a link/cite for that testimony you've tossed around here that says Martin made it safely home and then went out searching for the "cracker," would you? There's the Jonathan Good testimony about "a black guy in a black hoodie on top of the other..." Whose testimony was it that Martin got home and then went out?

I apologize, I do not. On the forum that I usually post on, all of the Trayvon links are well established and commonly known, and I'm a tad lazy. I'm accustomed to posting on a board where the facts in dispute are pretty well documented. There are two threads with actual diagrams and timelines. The 911 tape is readily available in multiple threads.

The testimony was from the girlfriend, who gleaned that information from her phone conversation, which established the time line, as phone calls can be documented as to when they started and stopped. Trayvon hung up at his house to sneak back around and confront the "cracker."

The topic is just as hot and divisive over there as it is here, notwithstanding that wealth of information. People are wedded to their views, not to facts. The fact that Zimm WAS cut off from reasonable retreat is pretty well established, as well.

But, no. I cannot back it up, and I'm really to disinterested/tech incompetent to try. I'm a coat-tail rider in the research department. I specialize in bluster, myself, and I dare you to cross this line (please envision a line). Ninja face emoticon.

[Cannonpointer]

Cannonpointer is a plant ... from somewhere.

His self presented "liberal" bent has long ago been shredded by his own typed words.

Not from CPF, I'm sure. But some sort of poser.

Now, why you gotta be rockin the boat?

Oh, wait. Never mind.

Tell me, what is the PURPOSE of my being "planted" here? What is "their" diabolical plan?

Honestly, I don't care.

Gosh, that's odd. Providing a purpose would bolster your thesis.

I think you're bluffing. You cared enough to opine, but not enough to back it up?

I smell flop sweat.

[Boatrocker]

. . . People are wedded to their views, not to facts . . . .

There are few facts. Most Zimmy lovers are wedded to notions that they have decided to call facts.

[Boatrocker]

Cannonpointer is a plant ... from somewhere.

His self presented "liberal" bent has long ago been shredded by his own typed words.

Not from CPF, I'm sure. But some sort of poser.

Now, why you gotta be rockin the boat?

Oh, wait. Never mind.

Tell me, what is the PURPOSE of my being "planted" here? What is "their" diabolical plan?

Honestly, I don't care.

Gosh, that's odd. Providing a purpose would bolster your thesis.

I think you're bluffing. You cared enough to opine, but not enough to back it up?

I smell flop sweat.

I am not the one who said you were a plant. Try again.
And I still don't care.

[Cannonpointer]

I am not the one who said you were a plant. Try again.
And I still don't care.

Oooh, whistling in the dark - my favorite kind of music.

You co-signed the note, and when the bank asked for your financials, you turned into a ghost.

[Boatrocker]

If you're not gonna make fuckin sense, find someone else to play with. You schtick is growing old.

[Cannonpointer]

He's a jump right in there kinda fella, our boatrocker:

Cannonpointer is a plant ... from somewhere.

His self presented "liberal" bent has long ago been shredded by his own typed words.

Not from CPF, I'm sure. But some sort of poser.

When ya ask him to back up his bullshit, he's a jump right OUTTA there kinda fella:

If you're not gonna make fuckin sense, find someone else to play with. You schtick is growing old.

Okay, "boatrocker." You're dismissed.

[rstrong]

If you're not gonna make fuckin sense, find someone else to play with. You schtick is growing old.

He does seem to have the dementia of Heap'O'Names.

A slightly older and wiser Heap'O'Names though. No North American Union / Amero / Fed wingnuttery. Just America-Is-The-Source-Of-All-Evil wingnuttery.

[Cannonpointer]

If you're not gonna make fuckin sense, find someone else to play with. You schtick is growing old.

He does seem to have the dementia of Heap'O'Names.

A slightly older and wiser Heap'O'Names though. No North American Union / Amero / Fed wingnuttery. Just America-Is-The-Source-Of-All-Evil wingnuttery.

That's your filters at play, son. Just because I don't worship a concept does not mean that I think America is the source of all evil.

There's plenty of evil to go around, and America is just toting its share. I can assure you that I don't think Saddam Hussein's rape rooms were any more Valhalla than were our own at Abu Ghraib. I don't think that agents of the government of Chad raping nuns and murdering priests in their southern territories is any less evil than agents of the United States doing it in El Salvador and Nicaragua.

You, on the other hand, seem to believe that such goings on are dandy so long as they happen under a red, white and blue banner. Worse - you play the effeminate child, fingers in ears, and pretend its all "LIES, LIES, LIES!" Justification through intentional denial makes you culpable, rape-o.

[O Really]

The testimony was from the girlfriend, who gleaned that information from her phone conversation, which established the time line, as phone calls can be documented as to when they started and stopped. Trayvon hung up at his house to sneak back around and confront the "cracker."

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Well, you see, herein lies the problem. You have stated several times, and in fact pretty much basing your whole Zimmerman defense on the idea that Martin did in fact get home safely and then went back to confront and beat down Zimmerman. If that were true and in evidence, it would have been a significant bolster to Zimmerman's defense. But while they can establish a time line from the phones, they can't determine where Martin was, and the girl friend didn't actually know. I think you've been led astray on this issue. I don't think there was any direct evidence that he made it home and then went out, although I don't doubt the "cracker" comment. Anyway, whether decided rightly or wrongly, or for whatever reasons, that case is over from a criminal standpoint. My concern is more with the impact it will have on later killing cases in Florida where the only story you get is from the shooter.

[Cannonpointer]

The testimony was from the girlfriend, who gleaned that information from her phone conversation, which established the time line, as phone calls can be documented as to when they started and stopped. Trayvon hung up at his house to sneak back around and confront the "cracker."

.

Well, you see, herein lies the problem. You have stated several times, and in fact pretty much basing your whole Zimmerman defense on the idea that Martin did in fact get home safely and then went back to confront and beat down Zimmerman. If that were true and in evidence, it would have been a significant bolster to Zimmerman's defense. But while they can establish a time line from the phones, they can't determine where Martin was, and the girl friend didn't actually know. I think you've been led astray on this issue. I don't think there was any direct evidence that he made it home and then went out, although I don't doubt the "cracker" comment. Anyway, whether decided rightly or wrongly, or for whatever reasons, that case is over from a criminal standpoint. My concern is more with the impact it will have on later killing cases in Florida where the only story you get is from the shooter.

The girlfriend testified under oath that Trayvon told her he was at home - then hung up. That is direct evidence, and being exculpatory evidence from a hostile source (the state's own witness), a bona fide legal bombshell. It also established a time line, for forensic purposes.

That's in the court record and was the basis of the self defense argument. The body was found at a specific location, removed from his home, which he had an opportunity to enter, but took a pass to surreptitiously encircle Zimmerman instead.

Every killing case will inevitably leave only the killer to tell the tale. Nature of the beast. But we have confidence in the professionalism of forensic investigators, and no expense was spared on the public show trial of the now vindicated accused.

Let me add this: Bodies always stink. There is NOTHING you wanna litter with less than a human corpse. Explaining a corpse is a dicey piece of business. The fact that the cops declined to charge should be very, VERY telling. The effeminate notion that police ANYWHERE IN AMERICA are saying, "Eh - it's just a darky; bury it" is so asinine that it can ONLY be prated on the infamous interwebs. It's goddamned moronic, is what it is, and conspiracy-theorizing and victim-posturing at a preposterous level.

The cops didn't cover up a murder, for crying out loud. People need to grow the fuck up.