The homophobic thread :>

[bannination]

...I'm not prejudiced...

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Yep, that was the range of my emotions while processing that.

[JTA]

The scary thing about gay people is most of the time you can't tell them apart from straight people. You could be interacting with them every day and never even know it. The cashier at the grocery store? Could be gay. Preacher at church? Even though a devote Christian, deep down inside they might feel physically attracted to other men even if they're suppressing physical urges to act upon those desires, that still makes them gay. Redneck Bob cruising along in his Ford F-250 listening to Lynyrd Skynyrd and drinking some bud lite? There's a possibility he is gay.

You just never know when you might be interacting with a gay person because most of them are incredibly good at blending in with us straights.

[O Really]

Heck, they might even be playin' on that F-250's radio... http://www.msn.com/en-us/music/celebrit ... ar-BBeTz8e

[O Really]

"OK, fair enough. so let's clarify for all - do you think it should be legal for employers to discriminate against employees because of their sexual orientation? It's a yes or a no - thingy not required."

In all fairness, no.

My stance is that a Christian business should have the right to say "No" when an instance arises that goes against their religious beliefs....and you know what I'm referencing; so no need to rehash that argument.

Only Christian businesses? How about Spaghetti Monsters? Muslims? Church of Body Modification? Jews? I could go along with that on a limited basis. Even now, businesses with fewer than 15 employees are exempt from most federal anti-discrimination law, although there are also state laws like the one that got the cake guy. I could see that in a sole proprietor business, where the person is inseparable from the business, that s/he ought to have some leeway in personal preference or religion. I, for example, would not serve rednecks. And I don't think a small kosher butcher ought to have to sell non-kosher meat. But once the business gets past that point, it becomes a separate entity from the owner and ought to have to follow all the rules, regardless of what the owner believes or prefers. If you're going to open to the public, you gotta open to all the public.

[indago]

do you think it should be legal for employers to discriminate against employees because of their sexual orientation?

I don't believe that a law should be made about it one way or the other.

[Mr.B]

"And I don't think a small kosher butcher ought to have to sell non-kosher meat. But once the business gets past that point, it becomes a separate entity from the owner and ought to have to follow all the rules, regardless of what the owner believes or prefers. If you're going to open to the public, you gotta open to all the public."

By that reasoning, that means if you own a butcher shop that doesn't sell kosher meats and if a customer came in demanding you begin stocking kosher meats so he/she can purchase there rather than go across town, in order to avoid "discriminating" against him/her, by law you are obliged to fulfill his/her wishes?...
What a hock of crockey!

The only reason you see cases like this in the news (the wedding cake fiasco, wedding chapel, etc.) is because some idiots want to see their names in the spotlight wherein they got the law to force someone to accept their lifestyle. They really weren't interested in what they had to offer; they wanted to make a scene.

If I felt so strongly against a particular issue like these business owners did, I would shutter my business before I would let a bunch of perversive radicals or some lacy-drawered judge demand I give them what they want.

Call me all the names you will; whether it be bigot, spitter, homophobe, whatever, I don't care and it's not hurting my feelings or shaming me.....
but I'll be damned if I'll let someone suddenly walk into my life out of the blue and run over me.

[Mr.B]

Homosexuals are a race of people?

".....despite all the discussion we've had." .... I usually ignore condescending, know-it-all people.

".....you cheerlead for ".... wow! a new phrase of the week! What happened to "ran shrieking away from"?
Been trolling the Internet again for new language skills?

It's stunning how stupid you continue to be.......


My New Quote of the Week:

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[Mr.B]

"Equal treatment under the Constitution and law you despise is the issue whether it's race or orientation."
Because I believe homosexuality is a perversion, that means I despise the law, spit on the Constitution, don't believe in equality of fellow humans; and now you call me a racist? You are one pathetic, condescending human being, Vrede.

".......you completely ignored all that, ran away from every single one of my questions......You haven't been ignoring any of us....."
As I said .... I usually ignore condescending, know-it-all people.
Why do you think that every opinion you express or question you ask merits a reply?

"Being a "know-it-all" compared to you is nothing for me to brag about."
Not that you have anything to brag about to begin with. Because my beliefs are faith-based, you label me a 'hater', yet you fail to recognize that your remarks toward me and my faith are nothing more than 'hate' as well.

IRL, I have never treated anyone any differently than I would want to be treated; not even if I didn't agree with their lifestyle.

I don't proclaim to know everything, nor does anyone else here as far as I can read into their posts; but you.......well, you know.

[rstrong]

:?: No business has to sell a product it doesn't want to. They just can't refuse to sell the products or services they do have to certain customers because of their race, age, gender, marital status, disability, gender, religion, ethnic origin or, in some (eventually all) states, their sexual orientation or gender identification.

By Mr.B's prejudiced "reasoning", a non-Christian business should be able to put a "No Christians Allowed" sign on their door.

It goes far beyond that.

In a world where companies can claim dubious moral grounds to refuse to do business with people based on sexuality, race etc., other companies can do the same; refuse do business with companies that practice such bigotry. That includes commercial electrical, gas and water utilities, printing companies, internet and phone services, etc.

With the number of Americans who support same-sex marriage over 50% and increasing, refusing to do business with bigots would be yet another low-cost moral stand common in corporate advertising.

[neoplacebo]

I myself seek out dead pigs to touch; I find them fascinating and don't consider it an abomination at all. I even eat them after touching them.

[JTA]

How To Talk To Your Evangelical Uncle About Marriage Equality

Thanksgiving is the day after tomorrow, and gay marriage is legal in SC. This ought to be an interesting holiday.

[rstrong]

Finland just legalized same-sex marriages, giving them the same status as heterosexual marriages.

15 years ago no country allowed same-sex marriage. As of today eighteen countries have same-sex marriage nation-wide. In others, sub-national jurisdictions (like parts of Mexico and a majority of the United States) allow it. Luxembourg will join on Jan 1st. The debate is ongoing in many other countries, and they're moving in that direction.

The growing number of religions that support same-sex marriages now include the United Church of Christ, the United Church of Canada, U.S. Episcopalians, Buddhism in Australia, the Church of Sweden, Conservative Judaism, Humanistic Judaism, Native American religions with a two-spirit tradition, Druids, the Metropolitan Community Church, Quakers, Reconstructionist Judaism, Reform Judaism, Unitarian Universalists, and Wiccans.

[O Really]

I myself seek out dead pigs to touch; I find them fascinating and don't consider it an abomination at all. I even eat them after touching them.

Well, if it's confession time, I too have sought the pleasure of eating the flesh of dead pigs, and abomination though it may be in some places, it is considered a true heavenly aspiration and religious experience in places like St. Louis (where rubbing the dead pig is a treasured ritual) and Kansas City, where particular burning sacrifice is made of the ends. Pig worship temples are found throughout NC, but there is dissension among the faithful as to whether to annoint the pig with red or vinegar.

[indago]

Pig worship temples are found throughout NC, but there is dissension among the faithful as to whether to annoint the pig with red or vinegar.

Some put lipstick on it in an attempt to make it into something that it is not...

[neoplacebo]

I myself seek out dead pigs to touch; I find them fascinating and don't consider it an abomination at all. I even eat them after touching them.

Well, if it's confession time, I too have sought the pleasure of eating the flesh of dead pigs, and abomination though it may be in some places, it is considered a true heavenly aspiration and religious experience in places like St. Louis (where rubbing the dead pig is a treasured ritual) and Kansas City, where particular burning sacrifice is made of the ends. Pig worship temples are found throughout NC, but there is dissension among the faithful as to whether to annoint the pig with red or vinegar.

It's really too bad that devout Jews and Muslims alike shun all of this. But then again, that just means more pig for you and I.

[Mr.B]

"It's really too bad that devout Jews and Muslims alike shun all of this. But then again, that just means more pig for you and I."

I like mine off the grill smothered with Sweet Baby Ray's....yum.

[rstrong]

Breaking: Michigan House Passes Religious 'License To Discriminate' Bill

For example, under the Religious Freedom law, a pharmacist could refuse to fill a doctor's prescription for birth control, or HIV medication. An emergency room physician or EMT could refuse service to a gay person in need of immediate treatment. A school teacher could refuse to mentor the children of a same-sex couple, and a DMV clerk could refuse to give a driver's license to a person who is divorced.

The legalize-bigotry law has to pass the Michigan senate and be signed by the state's governor before it's law.

[Mr.B]

"Wear a cross or otherwise indicate that you are Christian and a non-Christian could refuse you goods or services. This is the world Mr.B has said that he wants."

Liar. Why are you so dishonest....or do you just miss me?

[Mr.B]

Breaking: Michigan House Passes Religious 'License To Discriminate' Bill

For example, under the Religious Freedom law, a pharmacist could refuse to fill a doctor's prescription for birth control, or HIV medication. An emergency room physician or EMT could refuse service to a gay person in need of immediate treatment. A school teacher could refuse to mentor the children of a same-sex couple, and a DMV clerk could refuse to give a driver's license to a person who is divorced.

The author of that article is spouting pure b.s. Talk about shrieking, now....

[rstrong]

Breaking: Michigan House Passes Religious 'License To Discriminate' Bill

For example, under the Religious Freedom law, a pharmacist could refuse to fill a doctor's prescription for birth control, or HIV medication. An emergency room physician or EMT could refuse service to a gay person in need of immediate treatment. A school teacher could refuse to mentor the children of a same-sex couple, and a DMV clerk could refuse to give a driver's license to a person who is divorced.

The author of that article is spouting pure b.s. Talk about shrieking, now....

No, that would be you.