The homophobic thread :>

[billy.pilgrim]

"Turn out the lights...the party's over."

In more ways than you might imagine.....prophecy being fulfilled any way you interpret it:

New International Version
Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.

New Living Translation
That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other.

English Standard Version
For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature;

New American Standard Bible
For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,

King James Bible
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

Holman Christian Standard Bible
This is why God delivered them over to degrading passions. For even their females exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.

International Standard Version
For this reason, God delivered them to degrading passions as their females exchanged their natural sexual function for one that is unnatural.

NET Bible
For this reason God gave them over to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged the natural sexual relations for unnatural ones,

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Therefore God handed them over to disgraceful diseases, and their females changed their natural need and became accustomed to that which is unnatural.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
For this reason God allowed their shameful passions to control them. Their women have exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.

Jubilee Bible 2000
For this cause God gave them up unto shameful affections, for even their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature;

King James 2000 Bible
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

American King James Version
For this cause God gave them up to vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

American Standard Version
For this cause God gave them up unto vile passions: for their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature:

Douay-Rheims Bible
For this cause God delivered them up to shameful affections. For their women have changed the natural use into that use which is against nature.

Darby Bible Translation
For this reason God gave them up to vile lusts; for both their females changed the natural use into that contrary to nature;

English Revised Version
For this cause God gave them up unto vile passions: for their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature:

Webster's Bible Translation
For this cause God gave them up to vile affections. For even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

Weymouth New Testament
This then is the reason why God gave them up to vile passions. For not only did the women among them exchange the natural use of their bodies for one which is contrary to nature, but the men also,

World English Bible
For this reason, God gave them up to vile passions. For their women changed the natural function into that which is against nature.

Young's Literal Translation
Because of this did God give them up to dishonourable affections, for even their females did change the natural use into that against nature;

Just another multi-thousand year old book of hate and subjection. No different than the Norse, Egyptian, or any of a thousand other sky-fairey superstitions that bounce around in the bb brains of morons.

[Mr.B]

"More and more of us are simply too intelligent for that."

Yeah, I see your intelligence in your spelling.

So where in any of my posts did I advocate forcing anyone to conform to my beliefs...huh?

My whole take on this subject has been all along, (I'll type this slowly for you so you can comprehend) ...ready...?

Homosexuality is abnormal, disgusting, and immoral. Because it is becoming so widespread, it is proof of a breakdown in the moral fiber of any society. God, whom I believe in as my Creator did not intend for mankind to copulate with another of his/her gender; and I'm willing to bet that that ball of slime that you believe crawled out of a swamp and evolved into a human didn't see that coming either.

That is what I believe in regard to homosexuality.

If homosexuals want to "marry", that's their business; that doesn't mean I have to endorse homosexuality, participate in it, or support it in any way.

Did you get that; or did I type too fast for you?

[Mr.B]

"Just another multi-thousand year old book of hate and subjection. No different than the Norse, Egyptian, or any of a thousand other sky-fairey superstitions that bounce around in the bb brains of morons."

At least we have a brain ..... what happened to yours? Or did you ever have one?

[O Really]

Just another multi-thousand year old book of hate and subjection. No different than the Norse, Egyptian, or any of a thousand other sky-fairey superstitions that bounce around in the bb brains of morons.

True that. And even then, those who toss out that quote apparently don't bother to read the immediately following chapter in Romans that says, "Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things." Does "Homosexuality is abnormal, disgusting, and immoral...and abhorrent" sound judgmental to you?

[Mr.B]

"Does "Homosexuality is abnormal, disgusting, and immoral...and abhorrent" sound judgmental to you?"

No... "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them."

22... Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23... And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24... Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25... Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26... For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27... And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28... And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29... Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30... Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31... Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

[Bungalow Bill]

In more ways than you might imagine.....prophecy being fulfilled any way you interpret it:

New International Version
Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.

et al.

I never realized there is now a KJV 2000 and an American KJV.
I still like the one I remember from my church going days, the
KJV. See, God should not have given them over to their
shameful lusts. He should have nipped that kind of stuff in the
bud. I know, free will and all. Most folks will gradually get used
to gay marriage, like they did to integration. It just takes time.
I don't believe in prophecy, both of the Biblical and non-Biblical
kind.

Old Tony Scalia had another major hissy fit yesterday. Any day
Tony has a hissy fit is a good day.

[Mr.B]

"I never realized there is now a KJV 2000 and an American KJV. I still like the one I remember from my church going days, the KJV."
Never heard of 'em either.

"See, God should not have given them over to their shameful lusts. He should have nipped that kind of stuff in the bud.
I know, free will and all."
I'm sure He had a reason; I believe He wanted man to accept Him on their own, rather than be forced under the Law.

"Most folks will gradually get used to gay marriage, like they did to integration. It just takes time."
Most certainly. Man being the prideful, carnal animal he is though, thinks he is above others of color, whereas man still recognizes carnal acts as unclean, unnatural, and immoral.

"I don't believe in prophecy, both of the Biblical and non-Biblical kind."
There was a time I didn't; that and prayer. I've seen too many things in my life that can't be explained to question either.

[bannination]

I can hear them all now. "No really guys, this time it's really the end of the world."

However, as a Christian, that's exactly what you should be hoping for. So confusing.

[O Really]

The US isn't the first country to have marriage equality - it's not even first 10. I'm sure there must be some parade of horribles of what has happened in the other countries. Pestilence, locusts, people spontaneously combusting, turning into salt? And why haven't the states where marriage equality has been in place for years not fallen into the caldera? Surely we could at least blame the Boston snows last winter on their having had marriage equality for ten years or so. Is it safe to assume that hetero marriage has been ruined in all those countries? That Christianity has been beaten into submission and declared illegal? That people are marrying their cats? Must be happening. Why no publicity from at least Faux News.

[JTA]

Anytime now there's gonna be a natural disaster. The scary part is we have no way of knowing when that is. Could be five days from now, could be four months, could be a year. Mark my word though, because we've legalized gay marriage, a natural disaster WILL occur!

[rstrong]

The US isn't the first country to have marriage equality - it's not even first 10. I'm sure there must be some parade of horribles of what has happened in the other countries. Pestilence, locusts, people spontaneously combusting, turning into salt?

Same-sex marriage went through the same process in Canada a decade earlier; some provinces legalizing it individually, before it became legal country-wide. The tenth anniversary of country-wide legalization is in about three weeks.

A funny thing happened upon legalization: The issue simply disappeared.

Sure, we had our share of bigots and hate-mongers like Mr.B trying to stop it. But when the world didn't end and none of their wingnutty predictions came to pass, even they shut up. The branches of Christianity that opposed same-sex marriage didn't have to gay-marry or perform gay marriages. It had no effect - none whatsoever - on traditional marriage.

We got rid of some institutionalized bigotry, proved the hate-mongers wrong, and the moral fibre of society was stronger for it.

Why no publicity from at least Faux News.

They got the memo. A majority of Americans support same-sex marriage, and the percentage is climbing. With elder Republicans like George and Barbara Bush, Dick Cheney and others supporting same-sex marriage, the battle is over. When the Supreme Court - as conservative an organization as you'll ever find - supports it, the battle is over. When the pro side on the Supreme Court is led by Ronald Reagan appointee, the battle is over.

Morality, love and civil rights won out over hatred and bigotry. Libertarianism won out over the statists who demanded that the government dictate who could and could not marry.

Even Fox News wants to be on the moral high ground - or at lease neutral ground - occasionally.

The Republican Party will soon be The Party That Supports Marriage Equality, And Always Has. Sure, they'll still have Santorums and Huckabees and Trumps to attract the Mr.B / Colonel Taylor vote. But even in 2012, their only other role was to stand next to the real candidate and make him look viable by comparison. After 2016 their type will probably be shunned.

[rstrong]

Anytime now there's gonna be a natural disaster. The scary part is we have no way of knowing when that is. Could be five days from now, could be four months, could be a year. Mark my word though, because we've legalized gay marriage, a natural disaster WILL occur!

One word that Fox News can use to terrorize Republicans: Gaynado

[Mr.B]

"The US isn't the first country to have marriage equality - it's not even first 10."
The US was (despite the fuming of the naysayers) founded on Biblical principles. As it's people turn away from any notion of a Creator, so have their morals. "Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people."
It's not "equality" that's the sin, the sin is the joining of two of the same gender; that is to say "unholy matrimony." Marriage was ordained as the joining of a man and a woman; you know, that "Be fruitful and multiply part?"

"I'm sure there must be some parade of horribles of what has happened in the other countries. Pestilence, locusts, people spontaneously combusting, turning into salt?"
I'm not familiar with any modern occurences; doesn't mean it couldn't happen.

"And why haven't the states where marriage equality has been in place for years not fallen into the caldera?"
"With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day." In other words, it ain't over yet.

"Surely we could at least blame the Boston snows last winter on their having had marriage equality for ten years or so."
Well, we could, but to make our own predictions of what "God hath wrought" or assume we know God's Will is foolish.

"Is it safe to assume that hetero marriage has been ruined in all those countries? That Christianity has been beaten into submission and declared illegal? That people are marrying their cats?"
There's no evidence of it yet; unsure about that cat thingy though. It's not about ruining marriages or wiping out Christianity (as radical Islam would desire to do), it's the dislike of seeing society slipping deeper into moral decay.

"Must be happening. Why no publicity from at least Faux News."
I'm assuming you watch "Faux News" more than me; I couldn't tell you.

[Mr.B]

"Sure, we had our share of bigots and hate-mongers like Mr.B trying to stop it."
I've never indicated that I had desire to stop anything. You're the hate-mongering liar.

"But when the world didn't end and none of their wingnutty predictions came to pass, even they shut up."
The only prediction that counts is the Biblical one I quoted from the Bible. Man cannot predict God's Will.
If it's His Will to intervene, nothing we say or do will have any effects.

"The branches of Christianity that opposed same-sex marriage didn't have to gay-marry or perform gay marriages. It had no effect - none whatsoever - on traditional marriage."
Correct; it only added another blemish on moral decay.

"We got rid of some institutionalized bigotry, proved the hate-mongers wrong, and the moral fibre of society was stronger for it."
Don't be so sure of your ol' bad self. When a law is passed, there is nothing a handful of dissenters can do, but endure it.
That doesn't mean that dissenters should follow along like sheep. That "moral fiber" growing stronger is a laughable farce.
Just because you hear nothing in the way of protest anymore doesn't mean everyone is sitting around holding hands and singing.

Why no publicity from at least Faux News.

"They got the memo. A majority of Americans support same-sex marriage, and the percentage is climbing."
Yes, the percentage is climbing, but it's far from a majority. People have resigned themselves to having to live in a country that supports debauchery and immoral values. Simply put, they can't fight it, so just settle down and hush up.

"With elder Republicans like George and Barbara Bush, Dick Cheney and others supporting same-sex marriage, the battle is over."
When the Supreme Court - as conservative an organization as you'll ever find - supports it, the battle is over.
When the pro side on the Supreme Court is led by Ronald Reagan appointee, the battle is over."
The battle may be over as far as any contesting is concerned; God will not be mocked.

"Morality, love and civil rights won out over hatred and bigotry. Libertarianism won out over the statists who demanded that the government dictate who could and could not marry."
"Morality and love" .... You've misspelled both words. It's "Immorality and lust". You tell me what's moral about a man copulating with another man (you know, that gay-sex obsession© thingy that Vrede loves to toss around) in his rectum?

"The Republican Party will soon be The Party That Supports Marriage Equality, And Always Has. Sure, they'll still have Santorums and Huckabees and Trumps to attract the Mr.B /Colonel Taylor vote."
They don't attract my vote; I vote my conscience, not a Party. I'll not vote for anyone who supports homosexuality in order to garner votes and/or popularity.

[Mr.B]

"I don't GAF what the Bible has to say .... I am still married to the same woman I married 38+ years ago."

First, I commend you for your longevity; that's something you don't see much of any more. I've got 47 years.
Second, I can only hope your wife is a kind and gentle person and not as ugly and hateful as you are.

[Bungalow Bill]

"Most folks will gradually get used to gay marriage, like they did to integration. It just takes time."
Most certainly. Man being the prideful, carnal animal he is though, thinks he is above others of color, whereas man still recognizes carnal acts as unclean, unnatural, and immoral.

Well some people may regard these acts as unclean, unnatural
and immoral, but many others don't. I don't believe that there will suddenly be
more gay folks, it's just that many are now coming out than before. The gay
population will remain a very small percentage of the overall population, as
it always has.

"I don't believe in prophecy, both of the Biblical and non-Biblical kind."
There was a time I didn't; that and prayer. I've seen too many things in my life that can't be explained to question either.

I suppose a lot of this has to do with one's own personal
experiences. Mine are just different from your's.

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[Vrede too]

... Throughout the Bible, you'll find the phrase "thy wife" or "thy husband". I've yet to see anywhere it says "thy partner".

Homosexuality: an abomination and confusion.

Ummm, lesbians have wives and gay men have husbands. Your abominable obsession with gay sex has gotten you confused by plain English, again.

[Vrede too]

... The tenth anniversary of country-wide legalization is in about three weeks....

Interesting, not long after that the global Shrubcession began. Canada fared much better than the US did, despite SSM being legal in very few states at the time. Seems to me that Mr.B isn't listening to what God is clearly telling him.

[JTA]

... The tenth anniversary of country-wide legalization is in about three weeks....

Interesting, not long after that the global Shrubcession began. Canada fared much better than the US did, despite SSM being legal in very few states at the time. Seems to me that Mr.B isn't listening to what God is clearly telling him.

Nobody cares about Canada though, including God. Thats why God hasn't smited Canada down. In fact, its possible that Canada is doing alright right now because they made a pact with the devil, which is worse then being fire-and-brimstoned by God.

"And why haven't the states where marriage equality has been in place for years not fallen into the caldera?"
"With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day." In other words, it ain't over yet.

This is even scarier than I thought. It could take God several weeks to concoct a plan to punish us for gay marriage. Let's be liberal in our estimate and say it takes him about three days. That's three thousand years from now. We won't even know what hit us!

[billy.pilgrim]

Being the liar he is, I'm sure bb won't admit that he once used the same fairy book to condemn integration and interracial marriage.