The homophobic thread :>

[Vrede too]

I already know how you're going to reply to that in regards to race, etc.; we've heard it over and over ad nauseum.

I wonder why?

Scalia's Dissent in Obergefell (Same-Sex Marriage) Case Would Criminalize Justice Thomas's Marriage

[Boatrocker]

Captive virgins, polygamy and sex slaves: What marriage would look like if we actually followed the Bible

So....what? Is there a point here?

Not one that you would understand.

[O Really]

Captive virgins, polygamy and sex slaves: What marriage would look like if we actually followed the Bible

So....what? Is there a point here?

Not one that you would understand.

The conundrum could be solved very easily if Bible followers recognized the difference in what could be considered universal principle and what is cultural-based. They seem to have no problem with artwork depicting Jesus and friends wearing 16th century European clothing and living in 16th century houses. See, for example, "Christ Among the Doctors" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ_am ... %C3%BCrer)
And the King James version of the Bible came along about a hundred years after that painting. So there is a lot of fuzziness in depiction and interpretation of events and statements from 700-1000 years before. None of that would have to take away from whether the Bible is one rendition of the "word of God," but acknowledgment of the cultural bias would keep contemporary believers from looking like idiots when they try to explain why one excerpt is absolutely true and another excerpt may be ignored.

[Vrede too]

So....what? Is there a point here?

Not one that you would understand.

. . . or have the integrity to admit if he did understand. It's all about his obsession with gays, not even his biblical rationale holds water.

[Mr.B]

". . . or have the integrity to admit if he did understand. It's all about his obsession with gays,© not even his biblical rationale holds water."

[billy.pilgrim]

I would love to discuss how the bible isn't about hate and genocide. from any version of the ot, the murder, plunder and crazy laws far outweigh the few common sense laws that are cherry picked to represent the actual authentic undisputed word of god.

bb, please tell me how you can know which of the many laws represent the "word of god" and which ones were imagined by people seeking to rule. I understand the shellfish, pork and eating found dead meat rules were meant as health rules, but the one about it being okay to feed or sell the diseased found dead animal to anyone else seems a little meaner than the god I know

so many claim the entire book is the absolute word of god, but refuse to explain the genocide while they munch on bacon wrapped shrimp

[Vrede too]

Miracles like bacon wrapped shrimp are proof that there is a God and that s/he is kind and generous.

[O Really]

Miracles like bacon wrapped shrimp are proof that there is a God and that s/he is kind and generous.

Not to mention chasing it down with some water turned into wine.

[billy.pilgrim]

"Turn out the lights...the party's over."

In more ways than you might imagine.....prophecy being fulfilled any way you interpret it:

New International Version
Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.

New Living Translation
That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other.

English Standard Version
For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature;

New American Standard Bible
For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,

King James Bible
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

Holman Christian Standard Bible
This is why God delivered them over to degrading passions. For even their females exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.

International Standard Version
For this reason, God delivered them to degrading passions as their females exchanged their natural sexual function for one that is unnatural.

NET Bible
For this reason God gave them over to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged the natural sexual relations for unnatural ones,

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Therefore God handed them over to disgraceful diseases, and their females changed their natural need and became accustomed to that which is unnatural.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
For this reason God allowed their shameful passions to control them. Their women have exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.

Jubilee Bible 2000
For this cause God gave them up unto shameful affections, for even their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature;

King James 2000 Bible
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

American King James Version
For this cause God gave them up to vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

American Standard Version
For this cause God gave them up unto vile passions: for their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature:

Douay-Rheims Bible
For this cause God delivered them up to shameful affections. For their women have changed the natural use into that use which is against nature.

Darby Bible Translation
For this reason God gave them up to vile lusts; for both their females changed the natural use into that contrary to nature;

English Revised Version
For this cause God gave them up unto vile passions: for their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature:

Webster's Bible Translation
For this cause God gave them up to vile affections. For even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

Weymouth New Testament
This then is the reason why God gave them up to vile passions. For not only did the women among them exchange the natural use of their bodies for one which is contrary to nature, but the men also,

World English Bible
For this reason, God gave them up to vile passions. For their women changed the natural function into that which is against nature.

Young's Literal Translation
Because of this did God give them up to dishonourable affections, for even their females did change the natural use into that against nature;

not being a student of this era or of King/Queen James, I wonder if this is true and if so does it mean that bb's so full of it that his eyes are brown

Any serious biography of King James I of England will talk about his homosexuality. He was completely open about it. Sources include the reports of foreign ambassadors, such as the Spanish ambassador writing home to say "the king goes to Newcastle today, much as another monarch went to Capri." Of course, you have to know about Tiberias at Capri to understand
that.
The printing of the King James Bible was sponsored by King James I of England. Until the printing of this version the scriptures were ". . . practically unknown either to clergy or to people." (1) In 1522 William Tindale, an Oxford scholar, considered translating the Bible into English. He met resistance and was exiled to Germany.

In 1525 the New Testament, partially translated by Tindale, was printed in Cologne. During the same year 6,000 copies of the Testament were smuggled into England. By the authority of the church they were publicly burned. The Bible was the first book ever to be banned in England. (2) Driven from town to town William Tindale was eventually strangled in 1536 and his body burned.

Mary Queen of Scotts, the mother of James I and a devout Catholic, had commanded "that no manners of persons presume to bring into this real any messages., books, paper, etc. in the name of Martin Luther, John Calvin, Miles Coverdale, Erasmus, Tyndale etc. or any like books containing false doctrines against the Catholic faith".

The Puritans complained to King James that the Bible available to them, the Douay version, was corrupt and begged for a new translation. King James complied and in 1611 the first printing was completed.

King James I, at the age of 8, was able to translate aloud chapters of the Bible from Latin to French and then to English. James believed strongly that the Bible should be available to ordinary people, not just the clergy.

At the age of thirteen James fell madly in love with his cousin Esmé Stuart whom he made Duke of Lennox. James deferred to Esmé to the consternation of his ministers. In 1582 James was kidnapped and forced to issue a proclamation against his lover and send him back to France.

Despite his homosexual activities James later fell in love with and married Anne of Denmark with whom he had seven children.
NOTES:
1. William Tindale's Impact on the Translation of the King James Bible, by Pathricia Samuels.
2. The Bible Banned, THE FILE ROOM, Muntadas and Randolph Street Gallery.
3. King James I of Scotland and England, by Brian Barrow.
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King James was affectionately called "Queen James" by his friends. Being gay himself, he would know if the Hebrew and Greek condemned homosexuality.

If indeed homosexuality was to be condemned Thomas Moore used the word "invert" in 1533. "Invert" was one of the words used to denote homosexuality.

So by the time of the writing of the King James version there were several words in use which would have condemned homosexuality. They WERE NOT used! Ask yourself: If there were plain and simple words to mean homosexuality why weren't they used? Simply because homosexuality was not the issue in these passages that the religious right use. Almost every biblical scholar today will agree on that point.

It wasn't until 1946 with the coming out of the Revised Standard Version (RSV) did we find the word homosexual in an English translation.

If Plato, Erasmus, Michaelangelo, James I of England and others were gay throughout history, surely people knew about homosexuality long before the religious right decided that it was a sin.

[GoCubsGo]

Miracles like bacon wrapped shrimp are proof that there is a God and that s/he is kind and generous.

Please, please do not ignore bacon wrapped scallops, a mouth orgasm just waiting to happen and another gift from you know who (not Voldemort)!

[Vrede too]

Miracles like bacon wrapped shrimp are proof that there is a God and that s/he is kind and generous.

Not to mention chasing it down with some water turned wine.

Pffft, I turn wine into "water".

Please, please do not ignore bacon wrapped scallops, a mouth orgasm just waiting to happen and another gift from you know who (not Voldemort)!

Proof that there is more than one God?

[GoCubsGo]

Or Godess?

[Vrede too]

"s/he"

I ain't no sexist believer in bacon and seafood. Garlic butter completes the Holy Trinity.

[Bungalow Bill]

Christians have been disputing and disagreeing about various subjects
for two thousand years. Let them continue with their arguments about
gay marriage. It doesn't really matter. It is legal matter, not a theological
one, and the legality has been settled.

There is still controversy about whether King James I was gay or not. I
really don't care one way or the other. Since it is likely that no definite
proof will ever be available, I doubt we'll ever know for sure.

[Vrede too]

I'm not sure about Mr.B, either.

homerfobe we know.

[billy.pilgrim]

I'm not sure about Mr.B, either.

homerfobe we know.

Homie admitted his 1st time, but bb, who claims having been in the navy, claims to have never crossed the international date line

[Vrede too]

"claims".

Plus never having crossed the international date line doesn't change ones, ahem, true orientation.

[Mr.B]

Pure unproven Internet

Another who believes the Internet has only the truth. If it helps any, King James did not write the Bible, he commissioned it to be translated into English. If he was a homosexual as claimed, and he was the King, do you really think he would have allowed those passages that deal with homosexuality to be included? Also, you God-haters accuse Jesus of being queer; your ignorance is nothing new.

"Christians have been disputing and disagreeing about various subjects for two thousand years..... There is still controversy about whether King James I was gay or not. I really don't care one way or the other. Since it is likely that no definite proof will ever be available, I doubt we'll ever know for sure."
You wrote pretty much what I was going to say. I did a search and found all kind of "facts" and links about King James. Nothing I found could be considered credible enough to determine his orientation one way or the other. I did find one account that debunks any notion that KJ was "gay" and it seems to be a rumor started by a vengeful individual after KJ's death. Again, we don't know if that's the truth.

To me, it doesn't matter, and like you said, without definite proof, I doubt we'll (n)ever know for sure.

"I'm not sure about Mr.B, either."
Yeah, you are.

I was in the Navy; I had a cushy, socialist office job. Good VA benefits too ... what of it?

[Mr.B]

"Plus never having crossed the international date line doesn't change ones, ahem, true orientation."

You would be the one who knows....

[Vrede too]

I don't even have to look.

... (Mr.B), who claims having been in the navy, claims to have never crossed the international date line

Now we know, Mr.B in drag.

"Becky" is nice, but "Rommel" was not the smartest choice for a bigot's pseudonym.