The homophobic thread :>

[O Really]

People in the rest of Kentucky refer to the area east of I-75 and South of I-64 as "Notkentucky." Unfortunately the rest of the country sees that area as representative of the state. IMNVHO, assholery abounds throughout the US, with bigotry and jerkiness for all.

[Vrede too]

Judicial tyranny: Kentucky judge does with a gavel what Bull Connor did with dogs and fire hoses

Faux Noise, of course. Todd Starnes is a crybaby and an idiot. Bull Connor was a bigoted government official, trying to and ultimately failing at denying equal rights, just like Kim Davis.

[Seth Milner]

People in the rest of Kentucky refer to the area east of I-75 and South of I-64 as "Notkentucky." Unfortunately the rest of the country sees that area as representative of the state. IMNVHO, assholery abounds throughout the US, with bigotry and jerkiness for all.

That's because anyone who doesn't own racing horses in the Bluegrass state is considered low-life trash. The areas you've mentioned is mostly mountainous, populated by the poorest on the income scale, those who work in mining and logging; industries that the wealthier liberal snobs abhor and look down on those who eke out a living doing that type of work. Of course, they love their electricity, fine furniture, mountain grown pot, and moonshine.

[O Really]

You may be right, but I don't know that the wealthy old white guys who own the race horses are known for their liberalism. Maybe they're smarter than we think, though. Anyway, the situation isn't as cut and dried as you describe. Here's an interesting article about life in that part of Appalachia.
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2015/0 ... -kentucky/

[Vrede too]

From what I understand none of the "fund me" sites will accept money for people that have broken a law.

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I'm not sure that's right. How about the Colorado bakers? There are defense funds, etc.
But there's something here that we don't know about. I think a book and movie deal is probably pretty remote. Who cares?

I didn't know one way or the other, stumbled on this:

No, Kim Davis, You Can't Beg for Money on GoFundMe

... Well, thanks to a pair of homophobic bakers, they won’t be able to do it on GoFundMe.

According to Salon.com, the crowdsourcing service nixed a fundraising campaign for Sweet Cakes by Melissa owners Aaron and Melissa Klein earlier this year. They were fined $135,000 for refusing to go through with a wedding cake request for a gay couple. In a statement, GoFundMe explained:

“After careful review by our team, we have found the ‘Support Sweet Cakes By Melissa’ campaign to be in violation of our Terms and Conditions. The money raised thus far will still be made available for withdrawal. The subjects of the ‘Support Sweet Cakes By Melissa’ campaign have been formally charged by local authorities and found to be in violation of Oregon state law concerning discriminatory acts. Accordingly, the campaign has been disabled.”

Later on, its policy was changed to explicitly say that “GoFundMe will not allow campaigns that benefit individuals or groups facing formal charges or claims of serious violations of the law.” In order words, Kim Davis is out of luck.

But, there are options other than general crowdfunding sites:

However, she does have supporters in other anti-gay crusaders like Mike Huckabee, who is planning an “#ImWithKim Liberty Rally” on Tuesday. The National Organization for Marriage also stepped in, calling for “a massive mobilization of the grassroots and a ferocious public relations and advertising campaign.” They invite you to help raise $100,000 for the struggling clerk (who makes $80,000 per year) by Labor Day.

Yeah, good luck with that.

[Seth Milner]

No, Kim Davis, You Can't Beg for Money on GoFundMe

... Well, thanks to a pair of homophobic bakers, they won’t be able to do it on GoFundMe.

That headline in itself is a hate-pandering statement. Kim Davis has never begged for money on GoFundMe. The homosexual supporters are just as hateful and full of sh*t as are the homosexual opponents; you know, tolerance, human rights and all that.

[O Really]

The homosexual supporters are just as hateful and full of sh*t as are the homosexual opponents; you know, tolerance, human rights and all that.

I suppose if we're going to generalize, then people of all opinions do have the capacity to be "hateful and full of shit". But those personal characteristics are irrelevant in regard to whether a public official can and should be compelled by the court to either perform her job or resign. If I were an official, I might refuse to issue hunting licenses because of "deeply held beliefs" that oppose killing animals for sport. (sorry, I meant "harvesting.") I'll bet the NRA would be all up in arms to demand my compliance or resignation faster than you can jerk your knee. I might even not give you a fishing license, assuming you would just say, "Oh well, he's entitled to his beliefs, I'll just drive over to the next county." I don't think so. The difference in me and Kim Davis, however, is that I would realize that whether I did it or not, Bambi killers are going to get licenses, so my actions aren't going to make any real difference in the result. But I could exclude myself personally from the process - a deal that was offered Davis and which she refused.

[Vrede too]

That headline in itself is a hate-pandering statement.

Ummm, it's a statement of fact offering relevant info. on a topic we were already discussing here.

Kim Davis has never begged for money on GoFundMe.

Duh, she can't. Do you really think that she wouldn't if she could or that she will refuse funds raised by other means? Wow. Who do you think is paying for the lawyers that are helping her?

The homosexual supporters are just as hateful and full of sh*t as are the homosexual opponents; you know, tolerance, human rights and all that.

Don't be such a whiner. The plaintiffs requested no jail time, tolerance doesn't mean being nice to bigots, and no one is denying Christian bigots the right to marry or any other measure of legal and institutional equality.

[Seth Milner]

Kim Davis has never begged for money on GoFundMe.
Duh, she can't. Do you really think that she wouldn't if she could or that she will refuse funds raised by other means? Wow. Who do you think is paying for the lawyers that are helping her?
Duh, Kim Davis has never personally begged for money on GoFundMe, as the headline stated. I don't really care to think regarding her funding her legal defense; and according to GoFundMe, it isn't their website, so I'd have to say private donations. You are only speculating because of your hatred toward her personal views, and possibly your hatred of her.

The homosexual supporters are just as hateful and full of sh*t as are the homosexual opponents; you know, tolerance, human rights and all that.
Don't be such a whiner.
Like the ones standing at the desk shouting insults at Kim Davis?

The plaintiffs requested no jail time, tolerance doesn't mean being nice to bigots, and no one is denying Christian bigots the right to marry or any other measure of legal and institutional equality.
Not all the plaintiffs voiced no jail time. I got it that you believe anyone with sincere Christian beliefs that condemn homosexuality are bigots and homophobes. Despite the fact that Kim Davis has been married four times, in violation of Christian beliefs, the fact that her marriages were/are hetero, does not conflict with her beliefs regarding same sex unions.

[O Really]

Yeah, the plaintiffs (one couple of whom were hetero and had their application rejected, also) did not favor jail - only fines. It was the judge who brought up the possibility of (generic) crowd-funding and that fines would not be effective in bringing about compliance. In addition, the "hateful full of shit" judge did not insist that she personally issue licenses in order to keep her $80K job. He told her she did not have to participate, just not interfere with the deputies doing their jobs. Sounds pretty hateful to me. So the hateful full of shit homosexual supporters offered/supported a solution that would allow Davis to follow her beliefs, keep her job, stay out of jail, and get licenses issued to everyone eligible under the law. Damn, those are evil people.

[O Really]

BTW, her legal ummm, "representation" is being covered by the Liberty Counsel. Here's what they say about themselves...
http://www.lc.org/

[O Really]

I got it that you believe anyone with sincere Christian beliefs that condemn homosexuality are bigots and homophobes.

Well, maybe they aren't - at least intentionally, or at least in their own opinion. But let me ask a hypothetical. If you have a water fountain in City Hall and you mark it with a sign "Whites Only," does it really matter the reason or intent you had to do that? Could you defend your action by a quote from the Vedas?

[Vrede too]

Duh, Kim Davis has never personally begged for money on GoFundMe, as the headline stated.

That's not what the headline states, it's merely preemptive. Comprehend much?

I don't really care to think regarding her funding her legal defense; and according to GoFundMe, it isn't their website, so I'd have to say private donations.

English please.

You are only speculating

Ummm, she's already getting help and there's no indication that she's rejecting it.

because of your hatred toward her personal views,

Bigotry gets hated, deal with it.

and possibly your hatred of her.

She's a sad hypocrite and loser, not worthy of hate. You are only speculating.

Like the ones standing at the desk shouting insults at Kim Davis?

Unconstitutional bigotry gets hated, deal with it.

Not all the plaintiffs voiced no jail time.

Citation needed.

I got it that you believe anyone with sincere Christian beliefs that condemn homosexuality are bigots and homophobes.

I don't care about the ones that aren't trying to see their bigotry and homophobia reflected in law and policy. Plus, they aren't "sincere Christian beliefs" if other mandates from the same books are ignored.

Despite the fact that Kim Davis has been married four times, in violation of Christian beliefs, the fact that her marriages were/are hetero, does not conflict with her beliefs regarding same sex unions.

Duh, but it does conflict with her Christianity. Both divorce and adultery are condemned more often in the Bible than homosexuality is. She's just another hypocrite cherry-picking the Bible to justify her modern prejudice.

[O Really]

I think she may have been in trouble when she took the job. She's believed to be an Apostolic Pentecostal, which (I've read) does not allow taking of oaths.

She's also not had the job very long - running successfully for her mother's former office after the writing was clearly on the wall that marriage equality was going to prevail.

Maybe she didn't think it out too well before declaring...

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm, as the case may be) that I will support the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of this Commonwealth, and be faithful and true to the Commonwealth of Kentucky so long as I continue a citizen thereof, and that I will faithfully execute, to the best of my ability, the office of _______ according to law; and I do further solemnly swear (or affirm) that since the adoption of the present Constitution, I, being a citizen of this State, have not fought a duel with deadly weapons within this State nor out of it, nor have I sent or accepted a challenge to fight a duel with deadly weapons, nor have I acted as second in carrying a challenge, nor aided or assisted any person thus offending, so help me God."

[Vrede too]

So, she's broken her oath to God. Maybe she's dueled, too.

[rstrong]

No, Kim Davis, You Can't Beg for Money on GoFundMe

... Well, thanks to a pair of homophobic bakers, they won’t be able to do it on GoFundMe.

That headline in itself is a hate-pandering statement. Kim Davis has never begged for money on GoFundMe. The homosexual supporters are just as hateful and full of sh*t as are the homosexual opponents; you know, tolerance, human rights and all that.

Up next:

Seth Milner explains why those criticizing the holocaust are hate-pandering against Nazis. Why women's' rights supporters are just as hateful and full of sh*t as are the misogynists. Why ending slavery tramples on the human rights of slave owners.

[Vrede too]

... why all "investigative journalism" besides puff pieces about lemonade stands and kittens is "hate-pandering".

[Bungalow Bill]

She's in the jailhouse now,
She's in the jailhouse now,
They told her more than twice,
Do your job or pay the price,
She's in the jailhouse now.

[O Really]

She's in the jailhouse now,
She's in the jailhouse now,
They told her more than twice,
Do your job or pay the price,
She's in the jailhouse now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oz3OXxOFZZs

[Seth Milner]

... why all "investigative journalism" besides puff pieces about lemonade stands and kittens is "hate-pandering".

English please.