The homophobic thread :>

[JTA]

"I neither support or condone Ms. Davis' actions." I don't support or condone the flight attendant; the airline did what they felt was in the best interest of their business.
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Well, I could accurately say that "I neither support or condone Ms. Davis' actions," too, (I think you meant to have an "oppose" in there somewhere), but that's not really the question. She did what she did, and my or your approval or disapproval doesn't matter. The question is pretty simple to ask, however. What is an appropriate action for a judge to take when a person repeatedly refuses to comply with a court order? Since we no longer have stocks and floggings, it seems the choices are: (1) ignore it and allow the continued non-compliance, which of course would not be doing his job; (2) fine her; (3) toss her in jail. Continuing negotiations with her and her bottom feeding lawyer would also be reasonable, except that that path had pretty well run out of road.

Those who "support" Davis are saying that her clear and demonstrable contempt should be ignored because she's doing so based on her religion. So where does that path lead? The possibility of anyone being able to ignore court orders with impunity if they simply say "religion made me do it." This case is different from any other non-compliance contempt case only in that her "supporters" just don't like the law that she refused to follow, even though that train has not only left the station, but is long gone down the track. But they're happy to let Davis pretend to be a "martyr" on an issue she has no chance of winning. They all know the law isn't changing; that absent either an agreement to let the Deputies do their job or resigning, that the judge has little alternative to keeping Davis in jail. If they really wanted to "support" Davis, they'd send her a couple of real lawyers and encourage her to take a path that will let her keep her job. That path apparently remains open and so far the "supporters" aren't helping her go down it. With friends like those...

From what I've read, what makes the situation worse is the judge refuses to allow her clerks issue marriage licenses even though they've said they're fine with doing so, so its not just this one person holding up the process, she's forbidding others from doing their lawful duty as well. It would be like the muslim flight attendant forbidding other flight attendants from serving alcohol.

[O Really]

From what I've read, what makes the situation worse is the judge refuses to allow her clerks issue marriage licenses even though they've said they're fine with doing so, so its not just this one person holding up the process, she's forbidding others from doing their lawful duty as well. It would be like the muslim flight attendant forbidding other flight attendants from serving alcohol.

'Zactly. Except that there is a supervisory relationship with Davis that might not be there with the flight attendants. But the judge in the case did offer her exactly that opportunity. You don't have to issue licenses, just don't interfere with the Deputies. She refused.

[rstrong]

I still ask rstrong though, how is my attitude completely different?

You've made it clear that you think Davis is having her rights trampled when penalized for not doing her job. And yet you have no problem with the flight attendant being penalized for not doing her job. Both cite religious reasons for their choice.

Sure, in Davis's case the penalty is higher. She was also forbidding others - the other clerks - from doing so. She could have simply refused to hand out licences, but no, no-one else would be allowed either. More to the point, she was doing this as a government official. She wasn't penalized for practicing her religion; she was penalized for using the government to force others to practice her religion.

Regardless, the point remains: You have a double standard for Christians and non-Christians.

[O Really]

More to the Stanley flight attendant story...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morn ... complaint/

The airline had accommodated her for a while, then another employee complained about her and they decided to un-accommodate. ExpressJet might have a problem with this.

[rstrong]

Should male Christian flight attendants be allowed to refuse to serve a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness? (Lev.15:19- 24) How about a male who has had their hair trimmed - expressly forbidden by Lev 19:27? Can they refuse to serve football players, known to routinely touch the skin of a dead pig? (Lev 11:6-8) What about someone who violates Lev. 19:19 by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread?

Should Jewish flight attendants be allowed to refuse to serve non-Kosher meals? Since eating shellfish is an Abomination (Lev 11:10), should Christians be allowed to refuse to serve it? Should they be allowed to refuse to serve fortune cookies based on divination being expressly forbidden in Deuteronomy 18:9-11?

And that's without involving government.

If Grimace is allowed to block marriage licenses, should other government officials be allowed to block operating licences for airlines and other businesses involved in any of the above?

[O Really]

Should male Christian flight attendants be allowed to refuse to serve a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness? (Lev.15:19- 24) How about a male who has had their hair trimmed - expressly forbidden by Lev 19:27? Can they refuse to serve football players, known to routinely touch the skin of a dead pig? (Lev 11:6-8) What about someone who violates Lev. 19:19 by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread?

Should Jewish flight attendants be allowed to refuse to serve non-Kosher meals? Since eating shellfish is an Abomination (Lev 11:10), should Christians be allowed to refuse to serve it? Should they be allowed to refuse to serve fortune cookies based on divination being expressly forbidden in Deuteronomy 18:9-11?

Fun questions, but with a few practical differences. Despite the list of prohibitions in Leviticus, few if any people actually follow many of them. And if somebody did, they probably wouldn't be looking for flight attendant jobs anyway. since there would be so much of the job that they clearly couldn't/wouldn't do. Those who really hold extremish ritual beliefs usually don't even want to fit in. You don't get practicing Amish applying to taxi driver jobs.

And then there's the matter of having to ask all the women if they are unclearn when they board. But otherwise, probably someone could make those requests for accommodation. And most would lose, as they should.

[Vrede too]

Typical liberal hate points?

Got it, you completely lost track of O Really's link. Or you're pretending to - Even rightwing media knows what you don't, Kim Davis has no legal leg to stand on.

Who are they? Someone else you spew your hatred at? I'm not familiar with them (Faux Noise and Liarbart).

It's adorable that you play stupid when you're floundering, or is it that you really are that stupid?

You forget easily: "UNLESS explicitly stated, there is no endorsement, support, adoration, or advocacy for any subject matter."

It's adorable that you suddenly pretend that you haven't taken a stand when you are incapable of defending the stand you have taken. You do it a lot.

I neither support or condone Ms. Davis' actions.

Lie, but if it were true that makes you even dumber for commenting on it at all. Good one.

You're really good at mischaracterizing your own words and thoughts when you can't support them. Then, you resort to childish name-calling, accusations and whining incessantly about my style in lieu of discussing the topics you choose to engage in. You "forget" easily: You entered this forum attacking me before we'd engaged at all. Quit caterwauling about the heat in the kitchen you built.

... You and that homerfobe guy come from the same mold; you're in many ways so much like him/her,

Projection, again, though he at least has the stones to be honest about his homophobia.

except for the filth part; which I imagine could surface in you if given the proper circumstances.

You're fantasizing about me being dirty? Wow, you're even more like homerfobe than I would have guessed.

... Now, throw another whiny tantrum about my style. It's what you always do when you flub the facts, poor thing.

As predicted. You also do it in order to run away from rstrong, (banni) and O Really making the same exact points, wuss.

Once again. To cite just one example out of many in this tangent (see top of page 138):

Lie, as usual when you're floundering. She started the job in Jan. 2015, two years after the SCOTUS handwriting was on the wall....

Lie run away from, as usual.

Only an apologist for Constitution-hating bigotry would lie in order to make her look like a poor unwitting victim of current events, and only a coward runs away when called out on his lie.

[Vrede too]

Turns out my new religion requires me to not work. I just converted today, so I guess I'm gonna have to inform my boss tomorrow. If they fire me you think I should sue for discrimination?

My curiosity compels me to ask: What did you turn into?

Point run away from, as usual. What a pansy!

[rstrong]

Despite the list of prohibitions in Leviticus, few if any people actually follow many of them.

Sure. Cherry-picking Biblical rules based on one's phobias and preferences and is standard Christian practice.

But some of those Biblical rules are more mainstream than others. Catholic government officials for example, allowed to put their religion first, might have blocked Grimace's second marriage. And her third. And her fourth.

When Mitt Romney was dodging Vietnam preaching Christianity in France, his denomination was still teaching the "Curse of Ham", using it to justify not treating blacks as equals. Many Jehovah's Witnesses would let their own children die rather than receive blood transfusions, citing Biblical rules. In either case, I would not want such people using government to force me to adhere to THEIR religion.

[rstrong]

Kim Davis, Kentucky clerk who refused to issue same-sex marriage licences, released from jail

The Rowan County clerk whose jailing helped make her a hero to the religious right walked free after the federal judge who ordered her locked up lifted the contempt order against her, saying he was satisfied that her deputies were fulfilling their obligation to grant licences to same-sex couples in her absence.

But U.S. District Judge David Bunning also warned Davis not to interfere again.

[bannination]

Kim Davis, Kentucky clerk who refused to issue same-sex marriage licences, released from jail

The Rowan County clerk whose jailing helped make her a hero to the religious right walked free after the federal judge who ordered her locked up lifted the contempt order against her, saying he was satisfied that her deputies were fulfilling their obligation to grant licences to same-sex couples in her absence.

But U.S. District Judge David Bunning also warned Davis not to interfere again.

I'd hate to be those clerks that issued the licenses in her absence. I'd imagine her as quite the vengeful person. What are we paying her for again?

[O Really]

I'd hate to be those clerks that issued the licenses in her absence. I'd imagine her as quite the vengeful person. What are we paying her for again?

The deputies, maybe excepting her son, have already said they were afraid of her. She may end up attracting some harassment or discrimination charges to go along with her next contempt ruling.

[Seth Milner]

You entered this forum attacking me before we'd engaged at all.

To quote you, stop your whining, you big crybaby. That wasn't an attack. It's damn funny how thin-skinned and petty you are, yet you think nothing of verbally attacking someone because you disagree with them. Does it make you feel any bigger, more important, or better than others when all you can do is engage in name calling and criticizing? You mentioned in another post that you were too old for something or the other; you may be aged bodily and in years, but your mind is still floundering in a 3rd.-grade bully's mentality.

Grow up.

[bannination]

[Vrede too]

You're really good at mischaracterizing your own words and thoughts when you can't support them. Then, you resort to childish name-calling, accusations and whining incessantly about my style in lieu of discussing the topics you choose to engage in. You "forget" easily: You entered this forum attacking me before we'd engaged at all. Quit caterwauling about the heat in the kitchen you built.

To quote you, stop your whining, you big crybaby.

Damn you're an idiot and an illiterate. That's merely mocking your pathetic projection followed by a statement of fact about your self-introduction to me, both in response to your perpetual screeching about my style.

That wasn't an attack....

Lie, as usual when you're called out.

http://www.blueridgedebate.com/viewtopi ... 498#p49498

Only your 15th post here and before I'd ever posted to you at all. What broke in you that you're such a pansy when confronted with incontrovertible fact?

Continual and repetitive whining ignored. It's clear that it's all a desperate attempt to compensate for your complete inability to face your failings in fact logic and reason, like all bigots and their apologists, poor thing. Grow up.

[Seth Milner]

Continual and repetitive whining ignored.
Naturally. You're "too old" to grow up now; may as well ignore it.

It's clear that it's all a desperate attempt to compensate for your complete inability to face your failings in fact logic and reason, like all bigots and their apologists, poor thing. Grow up.
And yours is a desperate attempt to hide and deny that you are nothing but a narcissistic crybaby. As I said, despite your being so thin-skinned and paranoid that someone is talking about you, you think it's perfectly OK to call others insulting names because you don't agree with them. I am a bigot and apologist when it comes to people like you. If what you are is considered a success, then I'm happy to stick to my failings. I've grown up, thank you; sorry you didn't make it. Now run along and let Mommy change your diaper.

[Vrede too]

... What broke in you that you're such a pansy when confronted with incontrovertible fact?

Continual and repetitive whining ignored. It's clear that it's all a desperate attempt to compensate for your complete inability to face your failings in fact logic and reason, like all bigots and their apologists, poor thing. Grow up.

For example, your pitiful lie about your 1st post to me.

That one was almost as good as the lie about Kim Davis being surprised by SSM's legalization in her 'long term' job that really only began in January, and your running away from your lie being exposed ever since, wuss.

[Seth Milner]

What do you consider to be your most outstanding trait? NPD or condescending? I'm willing to bet that everyone who works with you are liars, wuss', bigots, homophobes, apologists, wingnuts, straight, or Christian. It must suck to be perfect.

[Vrede too]

Tenacity.

The ability to be legitimately condescending towards you ain't much to brag about.

... What broke in you that you're such a pansy when confronted with incontrovertible fact?

Continual and repetitive whining ignored. It's clear that it's all a desperate attempt to compensate for your complete inability to face your failings in fact logic and reason, like all bigots and their apologists, poor thing. Grow up.

Or not.

Most of them are straight (duh), some or most of them are Christian, many are conservative. None of them are are "liars, wuss' (sic), bigots, homophobes, (bigot) apologists, wingnuts" and cowards like you.

Healthcare clearly has higher standards than "investigative journalism", and I thrive in a field that constantly requires more teamwork than the career you unsurprisingly chose. My guess is that you were paid so long for sniping without producing a single thing of tangible value that you actually came to believe that cynicism, apathy, being a critic rather than a player, lack of defining principles and contribution avoidance are virtues.

It must suck to be incapable of manning up when your lies are proved, poor thing. Whine on, Dr. Phil Miller, it's adorable.

[Seth Milner]

Healthcare clearly has higher standards than "investigative journalism", and I thrive in a field that constantly requires more teamwork than the career you unsurprisingly chose.
It must suck to be perfect.

My guess is that you were paid so long for sniping without producing a single thing of tangible value that you actually came to believe that cynicism, apathy, being an observer rather than a player, lack of defining principles and contribution avoidance are virtues.
You deal mostly with a public that comes to you in a helpless or needful state. All my career, I dealt with a public that would just as soon leave you for dead after they took all you had from you. Not much difference, huh?

It must suck to be incapable of manning up when your lies are proved, poor thing.
You're just a tenacious legend in your own mind, aren't you?

Whine on, Dr. Phil Miller, it's adorable.
Who's that? Your boss?