DOGE

[Supsalemgr]

I do not want Washington controlling anything that I can make personal decisions about. If you are not aware of any government incompetence you are fortunate not to have much interaction with any of the bureaucracies. My alternative is any less federal involvement is good. Push as much to state and local governance as possible. Oreally has followed for years and he knows this has been a consistent position for me.

Can you give an answer that is not a cliche or platitude?

How has your life been affected? What decisions have been taken away from you?

Just an example. EV mandates, limiting certain appliances.

[GoCubsGo]

I do not want Washington controlling anything that I can make personal decisions about. If you are not aware of any government incompetence you are fortunate not to have much interaction with any of the bureaucracies. My alternative is any less federal involvement is good. Push as much to state and local governance as possible. Oreally has followed for years and he knows this has been a consistent position for me.

Can you give an answer that is not a cliche or platitude?

How has your life been affected? What decisions have been taken away from you?

Just an example. EV mandates, limiting certain appliances.

What mandates? There were incentives. Did you have to buy one?

What appliances affected you?

[neoplacebo]

I do not want Washington controlling anything that I can make personal decisions about. If you are not aware of any government incompetence you are fortunate not to have much interaction with any of the bureaucracies. My alternative is any less federal involvement is good. Push as much to state and local governance as possible. Oreally has followed for years and he knows this has been a consistent position for me.

Can you give an answer that is not a cliche or platitude?

How has your life been affected? What decisions have been taken away from you?

Just an example. EV mandates, limiting certain appliances.

What mandates? There were incentives. Did you have to buy one?

What appliances affected you?

Fox News buzzwords. In other words, lies and bullshit. Not only was there never any "mandate" regarding electric vehicles, the GQP in congress just introduced a bill to get rid of the rebate (what Fox and cultists call a mandate) but they also added a DISINCENTIVE to buy an electric vehicle....a $1,000 "road tax." Good job, GQP.....not only setting back inevitable progress toward EV and creating obstacles to them, but at the same time ensuring the US is eclipsed by other nations.

All I can figure is that they still cling to the lie that trump (and they) have a mandate from Americans. The only 1.5% mandate that ever existed.

[Whack9]

DOGE experts leave their website wide open. Anyone can publish updates. Lmao. Only the best.

https://www.404media.co/anyone-can-push ... website-2/

The doge.gov website that was spun up to track Elon Musk’s cuts to the federal government is insecure and pulls from a database that can be edited by anyone, according to two separate people who found the vulnerability and shared it with 404 Media. One coder added at least two database entries that are visible on the live site and say “this is a joke of a .gov site” and “THESE ‘EXPERTS’ LEFT THEIR DATABASE OPEN -roro.”

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[Vrede too]

DOGE experts leave their website wide open. Anyone can publish updates. Lmao. Only the best.

https://www.404media.co/anyone-can-push ... website-2/

The doge.gov website that was spun up to track Elon Musk’s cuts to the federal government is insecure and pulls from a database that can be edited by anyone, according to two separate people who found the vulnerability and shared it with 404 Media. One coder added at least two database entries that are visible on the live site and say “this is a joke of a .gov site” and “THESE ‘EXPERTS’ LEFT THEIR DATABASE OPEN -roro.”

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I can't figure out how to edit the database. If you've got it please post something that we know is you and link it.

[O Really]

Just an example. EV mandates, limiting certain appliances.

Well, even if those examples were true and accurate, which they're not, it and any like them would be such a microscopic part of what the government is responsible for that it certainly wouldn't warrant a meat-axe approach to ummmm, "re-organization."

But I suppose we could live - for a while - without regulations on products. Just be careful, right?

[Supsalemgr]

I do not want Washington controlling anything that I can make personal decisions about. If you are not aware of any government incompetence you are fortunate not to have much interaction with any of the bureaucracies. My alternative is any less federal involvement is good. Push as much to state and local governance as possible. Oreally has followed for years and he knows this has been a consistent position for me.

Can you give an answer that is not a cliche or platitude?

How has your life been affected? What decisions have been taken away from you?

Just an example. EV mandates, limiting certain appliances.

What mandates? There were incentives. Did you have to buy one?

What appliances affected you?

Thanks for making my point. Instead of admitting the fact on appliances you ask if the action affected me.

[O Really]

Thanks for making my point. Instead of admitting the fact on appliances you ask if the action affected me.

Dude. You've got an opportunity you've probably never had in your life before. You've got several "leftists" (in your terminology) willing and interested in discussion where the goal is to learn and not just to talk trash or play "yo mamma" with political slogans. You said you were bothered by "incompetence" and federal government influence in your life. OK, so is it not a reasonable question to ask how your life has been affected by the examples you gave? Is it not reasonable to ask for significant examples of incompetence that would justify killing an entire agency? Put a little thought in it - nobody is interested in packaged quotes from Trump propagandists.

[Vrede too]

Can you give an answer that is not a cliche or platitude?

How has your life been affected? What decisions have been taken away from you?

Just an example. EV mandates, limiting certain appliances.

What mandates? There were incentives. Did you have to buy one?

What appliances affected you?

Thanks for making my point. Instead of admitting the fact on appliances you ask if the action affected me.

GoCubsGo asked from the start, "How has your life been affected?" You're desperately deflecting from answering and we can all see it. You're also ducking the FACT that there are no "EV mandates".

I've got an observation, too. I thought insurers liked regulation. Injury and death costs them money.

[Supsalemgr]

Thanks for making my point. Instead of admitting the fact on appliances you ask if the action affected me.

Dude. You've got an opportunity you've probably never had in your life before. You've got several "leftists" (in your terminology) willing and interested in discussion where the goal is to learn and not just to talk trash or play "yo mamma" with political slogans. You said you were bothered by "incompetence" and federal government influence in your life. OK, so is it not a reasonable question to ask how your life has been affected by the examples you gave? Is it not reasonable to ask for significant examples of incompetence that would justify killing an entire agency? Put a little thought in it - nobody is interested in packaged quotes from Trump propagandists.

FEMA's response to the storm in WNC. The one good thing they did was pay for debris pickup. State and local entities could do that if they had the funds provided to them. I am affected every day by the possibility of government overreach by invisible bureaucrats.

In the last couple of days it has been reported that processing of government retirements is being handled manually in old mine in PA. In 2025, that is incompetence.

[Vrede too]

Dude. You've got an opportunity you've probably never had in your life before. You've got several "leftists" (in your terminology) willing and interested in discussion where the goal is to learn and not just to talk trash or play "yo mamma" with political slogans. You said you were bothered by "incompetence" and federal government influence in your life. OK, so is it not a reasonable question to ask how your life has been affected by the examples you gave? Is it not reasonable to ask for significant examples of incompetence that would justify killing an entire agency? Put a little thought in it - nobody is interested in packaged quotes from Trump propagandists.

FEMA's response to the storm in WNC. The one good thing they did was pay for debris pickup. State and local entities could do that if they had the funds provided to them. I am affected every day by the possibility of government overreach by invisible bureaucrats.

In the last couple of days it has been reported that processing of government retirements is being handled manually in old mine in PA. In 2025, that is incompetence.

Translation: SoupySales cannot come up with a single example of how he has been negatively affected, but he just doesn't have the spine to say so.

[O Really]

So you want federal funds just sent to a state to handle its own disaster recovery? OK, but the states would have to spend a lot of their own money to maintain a state of readiness. And what would you want to do with the states who didn't bother to spend the money and got flattened? Just send them cash? I don't know enough about FEMA to offer solutions, but discarding federal disaster efforts seems pretty short sighted.

I would agree that paper processing is inefficient, but not necessarily incompetent. It seems to work, even if slower than one might like. To convert to a digital system would be very expensive and time-consuming, and probably nobody with decision-making authority, such as Congress, has been willing to bite the bullet and pay for the conversion. It will be interesting to see if Musk actually offers a viable solution, but cutting personnel in a manual-based system isn't one of them.

[GoCubsGo]

Thanks for making my point. Instead of admitting the fact on appliances you ask if the action affected me.

WTF?

Your dishwasher uses less water? Are your dishes not clean?

Your refrigerator has more insulation and a smaller compressor? Is your food not cold?

You're using LED lights instead if incandescent and saving 70% of the energy difference? Is it dark in your house?


You make as much sense as a poorly trained parrot.

CONVINCE US that your words have some sort of basis that merit discussion.

To date, you're failing miserably.

[Vrede too]

So you want federal funds just sent to a state to handle its own disaster recovery? OK, but the states would have to spend a lot of their own money to maintain a state of readiness. And what would you want to do with the states who didn't bother to spend the money and got flattened? Just send them cash? I don't know enough about FEMA to offer solutions, but discarding federal disaster efforts seems pretty short sighted.

SoupySales should recall that FEMA got walloped by multiple billion dollar disasters lately. Its budget has been stressed and MAGAt Speaker Johnson the johnson's incompetence hasn't helped.

It's funny that out of all the federal programs out there SoupySales would cite FEMA when he just got busted swallowing the fake news about disaster money being spent on migrants and hasn't had the stones to admit that he got duped by POTUS Elon and Jasmine. Weird, but I thank him for the opening,

I would agree that paper processing is inefficient, but not necessarily incompetent. It seems to work, even if slower than one might like. To convert to a digital system would be very expensive and time-consuming, and probably nobody with decision-making authority, such as Congress, has been willing to bite the bullet and pay for the conversion. It will be interesting to see if Musk actually offers a viable solution, but cutting personnel in a manual-based system isn't one of them.

What we know about mine where Elon Musk says federal retirement claims are processed by hand
The Office of Personnel Management processes thousands of federal employee retirement claims every month.

TRUE

Nothing wrong with a mine, IMO, it's likely safer than most surface facilities. The hand-processing does sound inefficient.

... A 2019 report from the U.S. Government Accountability Office said that "continued reliance on paper applications and manual processing" was one of the key reasons why the OPM missed its processing targets. The office has undergone repeated attempts to modernize in recent decades....

Who was POTUS in 2019? I know one thing - I sure don't trust the owner of bug-ridden X to computerize the process.

Anyhow, SoupySales is not a federal retiree, so this doesn't affect him, either.

[Vrede too]

Interesting, America, even Repubs, did NOT vote for what POTUS Musk and PINO are doing:

Where US adults think the government is spending too much, according to AP-NORC polling

Many U.S. adults believe the federal government is overspending — but polling also shows that many Americans, including Republicans, think the country is spending too little on major government programs such as Social Security.

The polls from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research suggest that as President Donald Trump and adviser Elon Musk push for extensive cuts throughout the federal government, slashing funding for humanitarian aid and turning their attention to the Department of Education and the military, Americans may not agree with where Trump and Musk's cuts should ultimately fall.

About two-thirds of Americans say the U.S. government is spending “too little” on Social Security and education, according to a January AP-NORC poll. Another 6 in 10, roughly, say too little money is going to assistance to the poor. A similar share say spending is too low for Medicare, the national health care insurance program for seniors, and most also say Medicaid is under-funded by the federal government....

Opps.

[O Really]

Yeah but those two-thirds are people who don't own any congresscritters of their own, and can't afford to rent any. Another fourth are people who are too stupid to vote in their own interests, and the rest are wealthy enough not to care much about Social Security and send their kids to private schools.

[GoCubsGo]

This is so good it's worth posting about in two threads.

This is what you voted for Supsalemgr.

Happy?



Trump officials fired nuclear staff not realizing they oversee the country’s weapons stockpile, sources say

Trump officials fired nuclear staff not realizing they oversee the country’s weapons stockpile, sources say
Trump administration officials fired more than 300 staffers Thursday night at the National Nuclear Security Administration — the agency tasked with managing the nation’s nuclear stockpile — as part of broader Energy Department layoffs, according to four people with knowledge of the matter.

Sources told CNN the officials did not seem to know this agency oversees America’s nuclear weapons.

Some of the fired employees included NNSA staff who are on the ground at facilities where nuclear weapons are built. These staff oversee the contractors who build nuclear weapons, and they inspect these weapons.

[O Really]

They just saw the word "inspector" and fired them. Idiots.

[Whack9]

So they're firing all of these people under the guise of fixing the budget. But they're also trying to push through a multi trillion dollar tax cut. If balancing the budget were a priority, wouldn't they forego the tax cuts?

[Whack9]

Trump admin wants to un-fire some nuclear safety workers but can't figure out how to reach them:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nation ... rcna192345

Trump administration wants to un-fire some nuclear safety workers but can’t figure out how to reach them
The individuals, who work in an agency that overseas the nation's nuclear stockpile, had been fired on Thursday and lost access to their federal government email accounts.
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WASHINGTON — National Nuclear Security Administration officials on Friday attempted to notify some employees who had been let go the day before that they are now due to be reinstated — but they struggled to find them because they didn't have their new contact information.

In an email sent to employees at NNSA and obtained by NBC News, officials wrote, “The termination letters for some NNSA probationary employees are being rescinded, but we do not have a good way to get in touch with those personnel.”

The individuals the letter refers to had been fired on Thursday and lost access to their federal government email accounts. NNSA, which is within the Department of Energy and oversees the nation's nuclear stockpile, cannot reach these employees directly and is now asking recipients of the email, “Please work with your supervisors to send this information (once you get it) to people’s personal contact emails.”

Yes very efficient.