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It's a sad situation. I'm glad we got to see a big part of it while it's still around. On a related note:
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Tiny Town, Big Decision: What Are We Willing to Pay to Fight the Rising Sea?

AVON, N.C. — Bobby Outten, a county manager in the Outer Banks, delivered two pieces of bad news at a recent public meeting. Avon, a town with a few hundred full-time residents, desperately needed at least $11 million to stop its main road from washing away. And to help pay for it, Dare County wanted to increase Avon’s property taxes, in some cases by almost 50%.

Homeowners mostly agreed on the urgency of the first part. They were considerably less keen on the second.

People gave Outten their own ideas about who should pay to protect their town: the federal government. The state government. The rest of the county. Tourists. People who rent to tourists. The view for many seemed to be, anyone but them....
I recognize that AGW is everyone's fault, but I have no interest in being taxed in a doomed effort to preserve the indefensible. Pending learning more about local choices that have been made, I MIGHT be willing to have some tax money go towards relocation and infrastructure removal.
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Another fine example of private development with socialized risk. Reminds me of the old Dire Straits lyric......"that's the way you do it; money for nothing, get your chicks (beach house) for free......I want my MTV" (mitigated tidal variance)

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Another fine example of private development with socialized risk. Reminds me of the old Dire Straits lyric......"that's the way you do it; money for nothing, get your chicks (beach house) for free......I want my MTV" (mitigated tidal variance)
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Citing grave threat, Scientific American replaces 'climate change' with 'climate emergency'

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Stability in the Middle East now depends on how serious we are about tackling climate change

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Why carbon pricing is unlikely to play a big role in climate talks

:( I never liked the idea of emissions trading - too easy to manipulate and corrupt. However, I support increased carbon pricing, perhaps even made revenue neutral by reducing other taxes. Why not make the carbon price approach its true costs, and why not include the free market in emissions solutions?

Second Opinion: How to save coastlines and beaches from climate change disasters

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Another fine example of private development with socialized risk. Reminds me of the old Dire Straits lyric......"that's the way you do it; money for nothing, get your chicks (beach house) for free......I want my MTV" (mitigated tidal variance)
I thought the Dire Straits phrase was "...get your kicks for free..." ?

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Nope. It was always "chicks."

"Now look at them yo-yo's that's the way you do it
You play the guitar on the MTV
That ain't workin' that's the way you do it
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I once got free chips. For nothing.

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As Biden prepares for climate summit, U.N. says the world is 'on the verge of the abyss'

Just days before President Biden kicks off a climate summit with world leaders, the United Nations World Meteorological Organization released a report Monday warning that “time is fast running out” to keep global temperatures in check.

Titled “State of the Global Climate 2020,” the report finds that concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere continued to climb in 2020, despite lockdowns imposed to slow the spread of COVID-19.

Last year, the report notes, was the third warmest on record, worsening the melting of glaciers and sea ice, the acidification of the world’s oceans and the severity of wildfires and hurricanes.

A key goal of the Paris Agreement on climate change is to keep global temperatures from rising above 1.5 degrees Celsius, and the U.N. report warns that doing so will require a massive effort from the governments of the world.

“The data in this report show that the global mean temperature for 2020 was around 1.2 degrees Celsius warmer than pre-industrial times, meaning that time is fast running out to meet the goals of the Paris Agreement,” U.N. Secretary-General António Guterres said in a foreword to the report. “We need to do more, and faster, now.”

In an interview with Reuters, Guterres was even more direct, saying, “We are on the verge of the abyss.”

... With greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide and methane continuing to build up in the Earth’s atmosphere, the planet has begun to experience the ravages of climate change predicted for decades. Sea levels continue to rise as polar ice caps and glaciers continue to melt. In the U.S. in 2020, wildfires set records, as did the number of hurricanes making landfall. Heat waves on land, as well as in the oceans, increasingly threaten life on Earth. If a concerted global effort isn’t mounted to bend the current trend line, an estimated one-third of all plants and animals on the planet will be at risk of mass extinction in the next 50 years, according to a 2020 study conducted by the University of Arizona....

“The worst risk is that we don’t reach 1.5 degrees as a limit, that we go over it, and that we precipitate the world into a catastrophic situation,” Guterres told Reuters.

But the World Meteorological Organization itself acknowledged last year that keeping temperatures below the 1.5 degree threshold was increasingly unlikely. A report it issued in July stated that there was a 20 percent chance the world could see global average yearly temperatures rise above that mark in the next five years.
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Well, I guess this means the GOP will accelerate their efforts in the areas of tax cuts, no regulations on industry, and increased subsidies to US oil companies. Sort of like deja vu all over again.

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Well, I guess this means the GOP will accelerate their efforts in the areas of tax cuts, no regulations on industry, and increased subsidies to US oil companies. Sort of like deja vu all over again.
It's stunning what cowards they've become across a wide variety of topics.
NOAA's "new normal" climate report is anything but normal

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... Defining the new normal

Every 10 years NOAA releases a new set of "climate normals" — what is considered normal, typical or average weather in a given location at a given time of year. To ensure that these normals are not subject to the ebb and flow of yearly weather, these averages are based on 30-year time periods to even out any short-term swings.

... some climate scientists, like Michael Mann of Penn State, don't love the system of reporting new normals. As he told The Associated Press, Mann prefers using a constant baseline because updating what is normal for present-day conditions obscures the long-term warming trend and makes the warming due to climate change seem less significant. "Adjusting normal every 10 years perverts the meaning of 'normal' and 'normalizes' away climate change," said Mann.

What the data reveals

Since the 1800s the globe has warmed by around 2 degrees Fahrenheit. Nine out of 10 of the warmest years on record worldwide have all occurred in the past decade.

A recent study by NASA proves that all recent warming is related to humans' burning of fossil fuels and the resultant amount of heat-trapping greenhouse gases and aerosols in the atmosphere.

But because of regional variations in geography like ice cover, water and land type, some regions warm much more or less rapidly than others. For instance, the Arctic regions are warming at three times the average global rate due partly to rapid changes in ice cover and the impact of local feedback....

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Shifts in average mean large changes in extremes

While the changing pattern of temperature and precipitation may seem subtle when averaged out, these shifts result in real and expensive consequences because of an escalation in extreme weather. A NOAA analysis finds that the number of disasters each year in the U.S. that cause greater than a billion dollars in damage (adjusted for inflation) has more than quadrupled since the 1980s....

In the NASA animation below, illustrating normal distribution of temperatures from 1951 to the present, you can clearly see how the shift reveals an even greater increase in extreme temperatures, pictured in the darker shades of red on the right side of the distribution. As they say, "wait for it."

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Climate scientist Ed Hawkins has an equally good way of visualizing this effect in the tweet(s) below:



But it is not just extreme heat that a warmer climate portends. More heat means more available energy for just about every form of weather. That means more extreme floods like the Midwest experienced in 2019. It means more extreme droughts and fires like the record-breaking 2020 Western wildfire season. And it means more extreme hurricanes, leading to greater damage and an increase in climate migration....

"This data update is a moment to pause and take a look at the bigger picture, that we are warming almost everywhere and there is nothing normal about it," she said.
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Greenland ice sheet melting may soon pass point of no return, study warns

... The Greenland ice sheet contains enough water to raise the global sea level by seven metres, a change which would displace millions of people.

Losing it is expected to add to global warming and disrupt major ocean currents, monsoon belts, rainforests, wind systems and rain patterns around the world....
Antarctica is headed for a climate tipping point by 2060, with catastrophic melting if carbon emissions aren't cut quickly

... New research shows it is Antarctica that may force a reckoning between the choices countries make today about greenhouse gas emissions and the future survival of their coastlines and coastal cities, from New York to Shanghai.

That reckoning may come much sooner than people realize.

The Arctic is losing ice as global temperatures rise, and that is directly affecting lives and triggering feedback loops that fuel more warming. But the big wild card for sea level rise is Antarctica. It holds enough land ice to raise global sea levels by more than 200 feet (60 meters) – roughly 10 times the amount in the Greenland ice sheet – and we’re already seeing signs of trouble.

Scientists have long known that the Antarctic ice sheet has physical tipping points, beyond which ice loss can accelerate out of control. The new study, published in the journal Nature, finds that the Antarctica ice sheet could reach a critical tipping point in a few decades, when today’s elementary school kids are raising their families....
"Heat bombs" that are destroying Arctic sea ice, oceanographers say

Swirling underneath the chilling, unforgiving depths of the Arctic Ocean are balmy pockets of water that have migrated from the Pacific and are thawing vast amounts of sea ice.

The findings come from a team of oceanographers from the Scripps Institution of Oceanography at the University of California San Diego and adds to the growing list of mechanisms that are contributing to the disappearance of Arctic sea ice.

The researchers published their findings in Nature Communications, and state that “unprecedented” amounts of heat are flowing through the Bering Strait, up the Pacific Ocean, and into the Arctic. Since this incoming water is warmer and saltier than the water found in the Arctic, it travels beneath the cool surface waters in the Beaufort Gyre....

The researchers’ expedition to the Arctic discovered that the heat bombs are warm enough to linger for several years and have been flowing underneath the North Pole’s main ice pack. The study says that this process has not previously been observed, meaning that current climate models and predictions do not factor in how this mechanism could contribute to melting Arctic sea ice and climate change....
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Court rules oil company must cut carbon emissions

A Dutch court ruled on Wednesday that Royal Dutch Shell, one of the world's largest oil companies, must significantly reduce carbon emissions over the next nine years in order to comply with global targets laid out in the Paris Agreement on climate change.

The decision by a district court in the Hague is the first ruling that compels a company to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, which scientists say are pushing global temperatures higher and causing a wide range of catastrophic consequences. The court ruled that Royal Dutch Shell must cut its carbon emissions 45 percent by 2030 from 2019 levels, far greater than the company’s standing pledge to cut emissions by 20 percent by 2030.

“This is a turning point in history,” Roger Cox, a lawyer for Friends of the Earth Netherlands, one of seven environmental groups that brought the lawsuit, said after the verdict was read. “This case is unique because it is the first time a judge has ordered a large polluting corporation to comply with the Paris climate agreement. This ruling may also have major consequences for other big polluters."

In a statement, a spokesperson for Shell said the company planned to appeal the decision....
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A 20-Foot Sea Wall? Miami Faces the Hard Choices of Climate Change.

:shock: Maybe they'll pain pretty murals on either side.
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A 20-Foot Sea Wall? Miami Faces the Hard Choices of Climate Change.

:shock: Maybe they'll pain pretty murals on either side.
My home here is, AFAIK, about 44 feet above current sea level. So a 20 foot rise would not flood it.

However it would be devastating for the entire area. For example, most of the major freeways here run along the shore of the bay. Maybe about 10 feet above sea level. They'd all be swamped, turning the area into one massive gridlock, save for the few sections of highway that run in the hills above here.

They are also saying Antarctica will go past the point of no return in 40 years. That could result in a 200 foot rise in sea level. Hell, I don't expect to be around then, but it would still suck swamp water.

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Court rules oil company must cut carbon emissions

A Dutch court ruled on Wednesday that Royal Dutch Shell, one of the world's largest oil companies, must significantly reduce carbon emissions over the next nine years in order to comply with global targets laid out in the Paris Agreement on climate change.

The decision by a district court in the Hague is the first ruling that compels a company to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, which scientists say are pushing global temperatures higher and causing a wide range of catastrophic consequences. The court ruled that Royal Dutch Shell must cut its carbon emissions 45 percent by 2030 from 2019 levels, far greater than the company’s standing pledge to cut emissions by 20 percent by 2030.

“This is a turning point in history,” Roger Cox, a lawyer for Friends of the Earth Netherlands, one of seven environmental groups that brought the lawsuit, said after the verdict was read. “This case is unique because it is the first time a judge has ordered a large polluting corporation to comply with the Paris climate agreement. This ruling may also have major consequences for other big polluters."

In a statement, a spokesperson for Shell said the company planned to appeal the decision....
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Not sure and it's not made clear in the original article, but does this mean the emissions produced by Shell's operations only, or does it include the emissions produced by consumers using Shell's various products?

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I read the article as referring only to Royal Dutch Shell's carbon emissions, but I suppose one would have to read the court ruling to be sure.
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In case you thought that he is only pretending to be an idiot in service to his fossil fuel masters:
Rep. Gohmert asks if federal agencies can change the orbits of the Earth and the moon

During a hearing of the House Committee on Natural Resources on Tuesday, Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas, asked Jennifer Eberlien, an official from the U.S. Forest Service, if the Forest Service or the Bureau of Land Management could alter the orbits of the Earth or the moon to help fight climate change.

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LOUIE GOHMERT: And I understand from what's been testified to, the Forest Service and the BLM, you want very much to work on the issue of climate change. I was informed by the immediate past director of NASA that they have found that the moon's orbit is changing slightly. And so is the Earth's orbit around the sun. We know there's been significant solar flare activity.

And so, is there anything that the National Forest Service or BLM can do to change the course of the moon's orbit or the Earth's orbit around the sun? Obviously, that would have profound effects on our climate.

JENNIFER EBERLIEN: I would have to follow up with you on that one, Mr. Gohmert.
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LOUIE GOHMERT: Yeah, well, if you figure out a way that you in the Forrest Service can make that change, I'd like to know.
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In case you thought that he is only pretending to be an idiot in service to his fossil fuel masters:
Rep. Gohmert asks if federal agencies can change the orbits of the Earth and the moon

During a hearing of the House Committee on Natural Resources on Tuesday, Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas, asked Jennifer Eberlien, an official from the U.S. Forest Service, if the Forest Service or the Bureau of Land Management could alter the orbits of the Earth or the moon to help fight climate change.

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LOUIE GOHMERT: And I understand from what's been testified to, the Forest Service and the BLM, you want very much to work on the issue of climate change. I was informed by the immediate past director of NASA that they have found that the moon's orbit is changing slightly. And so is the Earth's orbit around the sun. We know there's been significant solar flare activity.

And so, is there anything that the National Forest Service or BLM can do to change the course of the moon's orbit or the Earth's orbit around the sun? Obviously, that would have profound effects on our climate.

JENNIFER EBERLIEN: I would have to follow up with you on that one, Mr. Gohmert.
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LOUIE GOHMERT: Yeah, well, if you figure out a way that you in the Forrest Service can make that change, I'd like to know.
They should get back to him and tell him that, yes, BLM (Black Lives Matter) does indeed have the power to alter the orbital paths of objects orbiting the sun. I think it would present a real quandary for him. Plus I think he'd believe it.

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They should get back to him and tell him that, yes, BLM (Black Lives Matter) does indeed have the power to alter the orbital paths of objects orbiting the sun. I think it would present a real quandary for him. Plus I think he'd believe it.
You think you're joking . . . A different article had him whining about his critics supposedly confounding the Bureau of Land Management with Black Lives Matter. It was so nonsensical that I didn't bother sharing here.


The West is the driest it's been in 1,200 years — raising questions about a livable future

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