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bannination wrote: "I guess if this was a governmental agency or a business you might be right Mr. B. Otherwise that argument falls on its face."
Silly me... :oops: ......
We all know Vrede is "speaker of the house" and can't even be accountable for himself...... :wtf:

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Sometimes you have to look at whether the leader takes credit for what is done by those s/he leads. If s/he does, maybe she really deserves it. Tillis claimed credit. He couldn't now say, "It wasn't me...it was those uncontrollable right-wing loons." The Speaker doesn't control everything. He can't keep someone from introducing a bill, but he without doubt controls what bills make it to the floor for vote. And he has a major impact on whether those bills pass. If Tillis hadn't wanted the right-wing loons' bills to pass, they undoubtedly would not have seen the light of day.

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Vrede wrote: "I just don't get your inexplicable and inaccurate attempts to focus your attacks over it on Hagan while defending Tillis."
Shoot...I ain't defending Tillis! My "attacks" are on the political machine in general.
Vrede wrote: "It was no fun and I was more than a decade younger than I am now."
Yeah...getting older is a bee-yatch....but look on the bright side...these are the "golden years".... :roll:

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Pilfered campaign signs rile Dems as Election Day nears

:bs: “But I think it is Republicans, and I think they're targeting Democratic signs in an effort to suppress our right to free speech.” :bs:
"Signs have been stolen from both parties.......but most of the logged calls were about Democratic candidates' signs."


Good grief, gimme a break... like the Dems are the only one losing signs.
I don't understand the mentality of why anyone, of either party, thinks that littering the landscape with political signage is going to convince someone to vote for that particular candidate.

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Mr.B wrote:Pilfered campaign signs rile Dems as Election Day nears

:bs: “But I think it is Republicans, and I think they're targeting Democratic signs in an effort to suppress our right to free speech.” :bs:
"Signs have been stolen from both parties.......but most of the logged calls were about Democratic candidates' signs."


Good grief, gimme a break... like the Dems are the only one losing signs.
I don't understand the mentality of why anyone, of either party, thinks that littering the landscape with political signage is going to convince someone to vote for that particular candidate.
I don't know, without those signs I doubt most republicans would know who they're supposed to vote for.
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Vrede wrote: If one's chief gripe is the money in politics and what it's doing to our democracy then Republicans, except the old McCain, and some of the Dems should never get a vote.
Money has always been a primary determinant in elections. But for many years, raising money was within the means of a lot of candidates. You went out to raise money, and if you could get supporters, they gave you money. Since the total amounts that could be contributed were limited, you still had to raise money from a lot of sources to collect the most. Not an entirely level playing field, but acceptable. With corporations becoming people, the table is without doubt tilted to the interests of the major money, generally trampling over public or majority interests. On "person", such as the Kochs, can buy more influence than hundreds of thousands of regular citizens.

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bannination wrote: "I don't know, without those signs I doubt most republicans would know who they're supposed to vote for."
Yeah, right... :roll: ...who's screaming the loudest? So...in that case...who's really worried?

I believe both parties are running scared...after all, the Dems are just as shabby as the Repubs.

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The only candidates who don't "run scared" are those who are unopposed and those who are stupid.

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O Really wrote:"The only candidates who don't "run scared" are those who are unopposed and those who are stupid."
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Politics isn't any crazier now than it's always been - but a lot of the politicians are.
Can anybody over 40ish or so imagine a time in your past that somebody running for office in any party would find it a good thing to bash teachers or advocate de-funding school programs designed to increase academic achievement? Can you remember a time when a candidate for state or national office - in any party - thought it was a good idea to brag about outsourcing jobs? Or eliminating the minimum wage? (well, at least since 1938) De-funding almost universally popular efforts like the EPA? In the past there might have been an outlier or so who would run drooling, with wild eyes, but not for a major party in a national race.

And people <actually> vote for these loons!

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I can't stand it when they do this their fist and thumb:

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They're trying to avoid holding up a forefinger and looking like bin Laden... http://www.metro.us/news/pakistan-overt ... idzfIcYJU/

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O Really wrote:They're trying to avoid holding up a forefinger and looking like bin Laden... http://www.metro.us/news/pakistan-overt ... idzfIcYJU/
hahahha :toothy:

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Cute, but Megatron isn't running this year. The pic was from 2012, when both Casey and McCarter won their races, but Megatron was booted in the primary by Jabba D. Hutt, who had heavy support from the still-angry Santorumites. Ultimately, the office sought by Megatron was won by Kochs,

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John Fund wrote for National Review 30 October 2014:
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Non-Citizens Are Voting — A new study by two Old Dominion University professors, based on survey data from the Cooperative Congressional Election Study, indicated that 6.4 percent of all non-citizens voted illegally in the 2008 presidential election, and 2.2 percent in the 2010 midterms. ...North Carolina features one of the closest Senate races in the country this year, between Democratic incumbent Kay Hagan and Republican Thom Tillis. So what guerrilla filmmaker James O’Keefe, the man who has uncovered voter irregularities in states ranging from Colorado to New Hampshire, has learned in North Carolina is disturbing. This month, North Carolina officials found at least 145 illegal aliens, still in the country thanks to the Obama administration’s Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, registered to vote. ...A voter-registration card is routinely issued without any identification check, and undocumented workers can use it for many purposes, including obtaining a driver’s license and qualifying for a job.

...Hans von Spakovsky, my co-author on a book we wrote on voter fraud in 2012, was in Charlotte on Monday for an NPR town hall on voting issues. “The local audience seemed skeptical that anyone in their state would be willing to commit fraud despite prior incidents,” he told me. “The O’Keefe video shows just how naïve they were.” It’s no wonder that the two Old Dominion professors concluded that non-citizen votes may have been responsible for Obama’s 2008 victory in North Carolina. “Obama won the state by 14,177 votes, so a turnout by 5.1 percent of North Carolina’s adult non-citizens would have provided this victory margin.” ...Colorado’s Republican secretary of state, Scott Gessler, unveiled a study in 2011 showing that almost 5,000 illegal aliens cast votes in the U.S. Senate election in that state in 2010.

In 2005, the U.S. Government Accountability Office found that up to 3 percent of the 30,000 people called for jury duty from voter-registration rolls over a two-year period in one of the 94 current U.S. district courts were non-citizens.

...In declining to cooperate with a request by Maryland for information on the citizenship status of registered voters, the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service mistakenly declared that the agency could not release that data because “it is important to safeguard the confidentiality of each legal immigrant.” One result of this policy: In 2004, a guilty verdict in a murder trial in Maryland was jeopardized because a non-citizen was discovered on the jury, which had been drawn from local voter rolls. Maryland’s frustrated elections administrator complained, “There is no way of checking. . . . We have no access to any information about who is in the United States, legally or otherwise.”

...It is a violation of both state and federal law for immigrants who are not citizens to vote. The violations effectively disenfranchise legitimate voters by diluting their votes.
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That's interesting. So irregularities in the registration requirements/process have allowed a miniscule percentage of the total votes to be cast by people not eligible to register. I'm all for fixing that. So does anyone have any ideas as to how the so-called "voter ID" laws that include cutting down the number of voting days, voting places, straight-ticket voting, etc. address that problem at all? So is it reasonable to say that Republicans pursuing "voter fraud" are ignoring a real issue while beating a totally dead horse on in-person voting fraud at the expense of a lot of people who might likely vote Democratic?

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I for one will be glad to see the sun rise on November 5th.....! I am sick of hearing all the b.s. between candidates and party support groups and their endless campaign ads. I saw a news item the other day that said campaign spending for the senate seat between Tillis and Hagen has surpassed
100 million dollars! That is utterly ridiculous!

Hagan has spent almost $19 million through Sept. 30, her most recent disclosure available with the Federal Election Commission. Tillis has spent almost $8 million through Oct. 15, his most recent filing. Candidates who unsuccessfully sought the GOP nomination account for the balance of the candidate spending.

But it's the outside groups who have accounting for the bulk of the spending. The Democratic-backing Senate Majority PAC has spent almost $10 million and the party's Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee has run about $9 million. The National Republican Senatorial Committee has spent almost $9 million, as well, and the business-backed U.S. Chamber of Commerce has spent $4 million.

In total, outside groups account for $72 million of the race's spending.

More than half of the spending has gone toward television ads. Each side has spent roughly $27 million on ads, according to the nonpartisan Center for Public Integrity's analysis of ad-tracking firm Kantar/CMAG data.
The post office has complained that all the campaign junk mailings have slowed down or hindered the normal flow of mail deliveries; the biggest burden being on the mail delivery person on door-to-door deliveries.

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Now... :crybaby: I wonder who's going to be crying the loudest :crybaby: when it's finally over and all those spent millions may have well been flushed down the toilet ??? :crybaby: :crybaby:

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Mr.B wrote:I wonder who's going to be crying the loudest when it's finally over and all those spent millions may have well been flushed down the toilet ???
Look at the bright side: "all those spent millions" came out of the pockets of the money interests and into the economy.

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