Wingnutties out of control!

[O Really]

Lets review a few inconvenient facts for you liberal numbnuts:

Fact 1: The republicans voted mulitple times to fully fund the government except Obamacare. Harry Reid and the dims refused to pass those bills.

Opps. "Obamacare" funding was never included in the budget bill. It could not be carved out. And you might notice it's rolling along. The concept of "not funding" the ACA was faulty and ill-informed from the start.

[Bungalow Bill]

I'm neither a vet or a piece of shit.

Yep, a vet can be a pos too.

I'll bet Meadows had the wingnuts foaming at the mouth during
the break when he went around saying the ACA should be
defunded. Now that things don't look so great, he's ducking.
Typical nutjob dipshit.

[Ombudsman]

Lets review a few inconvenient facts for you liberal numbnuts:

Fact 1: The republicans voted mulitple times to fully fund the government except Obamacare. Harry Reid and the dims refused to pass those bills.

Opps. "Obamacare" funding was never included in the budget bill. It could not be carved out. And you might notice it's rolling along. The concept of "not funding" the ACA was faulty and ill-informed from the start.

And this current tactic to defund it by shutting down the government has been in the planning for months.

Out of that session, held one morning in a location the members insist on keeping secret, came a little-noticed “blueprint to defunding Obamacare,” signed by Mr. Meese and leaders of more than three dozen conservative groups.

It articulated a take-no-prisoners legislative strategy that had long percolated in conservative circles: that Republicans could derail the health care overhaul if conservative lawmakers were willing to push fellow Republicans — including their cautious leaders — into cutting off financing for the entire federal government.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/06/us/a- ... d=all&_r=0

[Roland Deschain]

So, just another question for you liberal numbnuts. As one dumb ass previously posted..."the ACA has already passed through the democratic process". With that in mind what gives Obummer the authority to unilaterally carve out niches for certain groups. Ya'll keep dreaming that your ilk is getting ahead in this deal....The more people try to log in to the screwed up Obamacare computer system and the more information they get, the more you fools are going down and yet you keep arranging the Titanic's deck chairs

[bannination]

So, just another question for you liberal numbnuts. As one dumb ass previously posted..."the ACA has already passed through the democratic process". With that in mind what gives Obummer the authority to unilaterally carve out niches for certain groups. Ya'll keep dreaming that your ilk is getting ahead in this deal....The more people try to log in to the screwed up Obamacare computer system and the more information they get, the more you fools are going down and yet you keep arranging the Titanic's deck chairs

So what information have you gotten from the "Obamacare computer system" that you don't like? Give us some examples so we know what to expect? I have my own insurance so it doesn't affect me, but it would be good information to know.

As far as responding to the rest of your post, it didn't really make sense, so I have no idea what you were saying.

[Roland Deschain]

So, just another question for you liberal numbnuts. As one dumb ass previously posted..."the ACA has already passed through the democratic process". With that in mind what gives Obummer the authority to unilaterally carve out niches for certain groups. Ya'll keep dreaming that your ilk is getting ahead in this deal....The more people try to log in to the screwed up Obamacare computer system and the more information they get, the more you fools are going down and yet you keep arranging the Titanic's deck chairs

So what information have you gotten from the "Obamacare computer system" that you don't like? Give us some examples so we know what to expect? I have my own insurance so it doesn't affect me, but it would be good information to know.

As far as responding to the rest of your post, it didn't really make sense, so I have no idea what you were saying.

Must not read well then...the question was simple. What gives the president the autothority to unilaterally change the law and give certain groups a "free pass". As far as some of the information...lets start with premum increases of 200%, coupled with deductible increases of between 300 and 400% or higher depending on the individual. It was Pelousy that said, "we have to pass it to see whats in it". Wel people are seeing, and they are not happy. The lies are being exposed and the American people do NOT want this law. To think that Americans oppose the GOP for doing what is right is ludicrous...but you fools keep on believing!!!

[Roland Deschain]

Dang, you're dumb, the law has not been changed. Must not read well. Of course, it would have been by now if the GOP was more concerned with the welfare of Americans than with petty, self-destructive, tax dollar-wasting and unpatriotic ODS partisanship.

Keep dreaming vrede...keep dreaming. We'll see how all this plays out in about 13 months.

[bannination]

So, just another question for you liberal numbnuts. As one dumb ass previously posted..."the ACA has already passed through the democratic process". With that in mind what gives Obummer the authority to unilaterally carve out niches for certain groups. Ya'll keep dreaming that your ilk is getting ahead in this deal....The more people try to log in to the screwed up Obamacare computer system and the more information they get, the more you fools are going down and yet you keep arranging the Titanic's deck chairs

So what information have you gotten from the "Obamacare computer system" that you don't like? Give us some examples so we know what to expect? I have my own insurance so it doesn't affect me, but it would be good information to know.

As far as responding to the rest of your post, it didn't really make sense, so I have no idea what you were saying.

Must not read well then...the question was simple. What gives the president the autothority to unilaterally change the law and give certain groups a "free pass". As far as some of the information...lets start with premum increases of 200%, coupled with deductible increases of between 300 and 400% or higher depending on the individual. It was Pelousy that said, "we have to pass it to see whats in it". Wel people are seeing, and they are not happy. The lies are being exposed and the American people do NOT want this law. To think that Americans oppose the GOP for doing what is right is ludicrous...but you fools keep on believing!!!

My premiums only went up .5% I think what you are seeing is employers trying to shift more of the burden onto the employee. They tend to use any excuse to do this. I haven't see any evidence where actual premiums have went up, just employers shifting costs the the employees.

This is the least amount of increase I've seen in recent memory.

[O Really]

Yes, health insurance premiums never went up before Obama got elected. This report from 2007 (pre-Obama) http://aspe.hhs.gov/health/reports/08/h ... eport.html clearly shows that for 50 years, health insurance premiums remained static, not even keeping up with inflation, and that no employers cost-shifted those level and inexpensive premiums to employees. It also shows that for more than 50 years, individual plans were easily attainable and affordable. There was nothing wrong the the health insurance system for all that time until Obama was elected. Bad Obama! Changing 50 years of stable and low-cost health insurance premiums and getting increased premiums! Boooo!

[Wneglia]

So, just another question for you liberal numbnuts. As one dumb ass previously posted..."the ACA has already passed through the democratic process". With that in mind what gives Obummer the authority to unilaterally carve out niches for certain groups. Ya'll keep dreaming that your ilk is getting ahead in this deal....The more people try to log in to the screwed up Obamacare computer system and the more information they get, the more you fools are going down and yet you keep arranging the Titanic's deck chairs

So what information have you gotten from the "Obamacare computer system" that you don't like? Give us some examples so we know what to expect? I have my own insurance so it doesn't affect me, but it would be good information to know.

As far as responding to the rest of your post, it didn't really make sense, so I have no idea what you were saying.

Must not read well then...the question was simple. What gives the president the autothority to unilaterally change the law and give certain groups a "free pass". As far as some of the information...lets start with premum increases of 200%, coupled with deductible increases of between 300 and 400% or higher depending on the individual. It was Pelousy that said, "we have to pass it to see whats in it". Wel people are seeing, and they are not happy. The lies are being exposed and the American people do NOT want this law. To think that Americans oppose the GOP for doing what is right is ludicrous...but you fools keep on believing!!!

My premiums only went up .5% I think what you are seeing is employers trying to shift more of the burden onto the employee. They tend to use any excuse to do this. I haven't see any evidence where actual premiums have went up, just employers shifting costs the the employees.

This is the least amount of increase I've seen in recent memory.

Your anecdote is about as representative of the reality as these.

It will be a while until there is enough data to see the effects on premiums. Will be interested to see what happens to Vrede's premiums, as he has an individual policy, rather than an employer-based policy.

Part of the rate increase may be related to increased administrative costs passed on to NC by the feds for not setting up their own exchange, and part is being blamed on not expanding Medicaid rolls in NC, which the insurance companies think they will have to absorb. Link While it may be true that Medicaid recipients are less healthy, it is for those who are currently in the program at poverty levels, not those who would be captured in the expansion, some of which families make $80K+ per year.

[bannination]

So, just another question for you liberal numbnuts. As one dumb ass previously posted..."the ACA has already passed through the democratic process". With that in mind what gives Obummer the authority to unilaterally carve out niches for certain groups. Ya'll keep dreaming that your ilk is getting ahead in this deal....The more people try to log in to the screwed up Obamacare computer system and the more information they get, the more you fools are going down and yet you keep arranging the Titanic's deck chairs

So what information have you gotten from the "Obamacare computer system" that you don't like? Give us some examples so we know what to expect? I have my own insurance so it doesn't affect me, but it would be good information to know.

As far as responding to the rest of your post, it didn't really make sense, so I have no idea what you were saying.

Must not read well then...the question was simple. What gives the president the autothority to unilaterally change the law and give certain groups a "free pass". As far as some of the information...lets start with premum increases of 200%, coupled with deductible increases of between 300 and 400% or higher depending on the individual. It was Pelousy that said, "we have to pass it to see whats in it". Wel people are seeing, and they are not happy. The lies are being exposed and the American people do NOT want this law. To think that Americans oppose the GOP for doing what is right is ludicrous...but you fools keep on believing!!!

My premiums only went up .5% I think what you are seeing is employers trying to shift more of the burden onto the employee. They tend to use any excuse to do this. I haven't see any evidence where actual premiums have went up, just employers shifting costs the the employees.

This is the least amount of increase I've seen in recent memory.

Your anecdote is about as representative of the reality as these.

It will be a while until there is enough data to see the effects on premiums. Will be interested to see what happens to Vrede's premiums, as he has an individual policy, rather than an employer-based policy.

Part of the rate increase may be related to increased administrative costs passed on to NC by the feds for not setting up their own exchange, and part is being blamed on not expanding Medicaid rolls in NC, which the insurance companies think they will have to absorb. Link While it may be true that Medicaid recipients are less healthy, it is for those who are currently in the program at poverty levels, not those who would be captured in the expansion, some of which families make $80K+ per year.

I totally agree with your statement that I bolded, it's too early to call it either way. My point is the wingnuts calling it now over a few cases. The object is to help more people that it hurts, if it can do that it's a success, if not it's a failure. Time will tell, but of course there will be some people that are going to be hurt. I wish we could use Massachusetts as an example of whether it works or not, but unfortunately the data is not to clear there. (You know, Romney Care).


Remember though, democrats wanted universal health care, this is and always was the republican plan and the only thing they would pass.

[Wneglia]

...NC’s cost of obstinance on Obamacare...

Good analysis, thanks. The GOP's cruel and unpatriotic plan all along, as with the government shutdown, has been to sacrifice citizens for their ideology then blame the Dems for the result. Of course, low intelligence, voluntarily ignorant wingnuts like Roland Deschain who read nothing but The Gateway Pundit or its equivalents have been and will blame the ACA for any negatives they perceive.

We'll see, it may be that I end up not switching to an exchange plan. Thanks to our extremist state government, reports are that NC citizens are worse off than just about everywhere else.

A cursory inspection of BC/BS health care exchange rates in NC vs. SC shows very significantly higher rates in NC.

[Supsalemgr]

Banni posted, "Remember though, democrats wanted universal health care, this is and always was the republican plan and the only thing they would pass."

Correction: Obamacare was passed by both chambers of congress without one republican vote. I would not want to take any of the credit for this legislation from the democrats.

[Boatrocker]

Doesn't make a damned bit of difference. The bill was passed by congress, signed into law by the president and upheld by SCOTUS. These assholes will be looking to "defund" the 13th amendment next.

[Supsalemgr]

Am I going to have to post Chubby Checker again? You can try to spin it anyway you wish, but not one republican voted for Obamacare. That cannot be denied. Now, if you wish to say in order to get some RINOS to vote to cut off cloture to vote for the current bill I will not dispute.

My question now is why are you folks so willing to give the republicans credit for this bill? UMM?

[Wneglia]

Doesn't make a damned bit of difference. The bill was passed by congress, signed into law by the president and upheld by SCOTUS. These assholes will be looking to "defund" the 13th amendment next.

From Krauthammer: "President Obama indignantly insists that GOP attempts to abolish or amend Obamacare are unseemly because it is "settled" law, having passed both houses of Congress, obtained his signature and passed muster with the Supreme Court. Yes, settledness makes for a strong argument — except from a president whose administration has unilaterally changed Obamacare five times after its passage, including, most brazenly, a yearlong suspension of the employer mandate.

Article 1 of the Constitution grants the legislative power entirely to Congress. Under what constitutional principle has Obama unilaterally amended the law?"

[Ombudsman]

Dang, you're dumb, the law has not been changed. Must not read well. Of course, it would have been by now if the GOP was more concerned with the welfare of Americans than with petty, self-destructive, tax dollar-wasting and unpatriotic ODS partisanship.

Keep dreaming vrede...keep dreaming. We'll see how all this plays out in about 13 months.

LOL - So after being thoroughly trounced, this is the best Roland can muster. Sort of reminds me of MrB's God argument that goes something like, "You'll see I'm right...but you have to wait until your dead." 13 months gives Roland plenty of time to spin the facts. What an idiot. Be willing to bet his health insurance is at least partially funded by a government entity.

[Wneglia]

From Krauthammer: ...Yes, settledness makes for a strong argument — except from a president whose administration has unilaterally changed Obamacare five times after its passage, including, most brazenly, a yearlong suspension of the employer mandate.

Kinda silly spin, the GOP's objections are not because Obama has slowed implementation or made it easier on business.

Article 1 of the Constitution grants the legislative power entirely to Congress. Under what constitutional principle has Obama unilaterally amended the law?"

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As usual, Roland Deschain the numbnut ran away from all his prior factual errors. No personal responsibility and no nuts.

The ACA gives the POTUS the authority to issue temporary exemptions, as is the case with many laws. Dang, you don't know anything accurate about the ACA or civics in general, do you?...

...What gives the president the autothority to unilaterally change the law and give certain groups a "free pass"...

Dang, you're dumb, the law has not been changed. Must not read well. Of course, it would have been by now if the GOP was more concerned with the welfare of Americans than with petty, self-destructive, tax dollar-wasting and unpatriotic ODS partisanship.

So why wouldn't these exemptions (many of which are politically motivated) violate the equal protection clause?

[O Really]

No laws, nor the regulations that implement them, are totally consistent across the board. It's not uncommon for implementation dates to be moved, "exemption" type decisions to be made, and administrative changes introduced. Pick pretty much any major law you like and look at its legislative and regulatory history. ERISA, for example, or OSHA have been changed, updated, revised, poked, prodded, and tweaked, but the fundamental law remains and nobody tries to "defund" OSHA. (although obviously the teabaggers would love to). Doc's favorite, HIPAA Privacy Rule had several moved effective dates, as did the Security Rule. Some originally not considered "covered entities" became covered via administrative and judicial decisions. Point being, probably nobody would dispute that ACA isn't perfect and will need continuing work. "Repeal or defund" is different. What they are doing is, for example, instead of arguing against an increase in minimum wage, they demand gutting of the Fair Labor Standards Act in exchange for voting for an already-agreed budgetary bill.

[bannination]

A handful of DINOs - Baucus, Nelson, Lieberman - prevented even testimony on single payer and killed the public option so the Dems settled for the Mittencare model including Newter's individual mandate. So, banni's post is correct in ultimate effect though not literally.

... and I openly admin my error, and defer to you Soupy.

I wouldn't go around bragging that not a single Tea Bagger would vote to do something about our health care crisis though.