Guns, race, religion, terror, wingnut thread

[Vrede too]

I wonder if Seth feels as strongly about the swastika. Various cultures have used this symbol - often to mean good luck.

Prior to the Nazis taking it over, it was a popular symbol in this country and Europe
but like this idiotic flag controversy, the meaning changed and is now purely a symbol of hate

Would he be defending it if he was a German Jew and German state governments were flying it?

[Vrede too]

... O Really comes across much milder

He largely posts the same things or more devastating stuff, especially on this topic, but with a lawyer's tact. Didn't you notice?

and appears to be the more intelligent of the two.

Your investigative journalism "skills" again?

...Vrede too constantly plays offense, and is always ready to taunt and insult

Apologists for racists and their symbolism get assailed. Get used to it.

rather than present an informed and intelligent reply.

You post while ducking every single topical point made, every one.

... Beyond that, which makes more sense to you - that a young, progressive, urban organizer was lying in 2008 in order to get elected, or that he was lying in 2012 for no discernible reason since gays and liberals were going to vote for him, anyhow?

Ducked.

Still silly, his poll numbers were never that bad, the Republicans chewed each other up . . . and Mitten. You need to look up the difference between correlation and causation.

Ducked.

That YOU would blow a gasket and think less of your child or grandchild if one of them turned out to be gay, duh. You're projecting your own bias upon Obama with zero evidence.

Ducked.

... You never answered my question about what you did about the Aryan Nations. Slaver history belongs in a museum and you're pretending that you don't know as well as us that it's only flying at the Capitol because of modern racism stretching back 60 some years.

Ducked.

I didn't say "responsible". Are you illiterate or are pathetic straw men all you've got left? ...

Dishonesty ducked.

Sigh, I linked you the current (Women on $20s) movement, and it's already achieved mixed success. You conveniently deleted the link when supposedly quoting me. Just admit that you picked a poor example and that your argument fell apart.

Ducked.

Wussy dodge, your "ANCIENT" just got blown out of the water.

Ducked.

Post and response removed and ignored by you:

Removing the Confederate flag is not going to end hatred and bitterness as long as mankind inhabits this rock we live on; something will replace it; it's human nature.

Again, the discussion is about government endorsing it, as O Really says and has been explained over and over.

I wonder why?

Still ducked.

Lecture us more about "informed and intelligent" replies, it's adorable.

... You started on me with some sort of crack about my past, and it's slowly been building since.

Lie, you went after me out of the blue:
http://blueridgedebate.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2015
And, I "started on" you with: "I think investigative journalism is honorable".
Make it 2 lies. There's nothing more pathetic than a poster that dishes it out, lies about having done so, and then whines about it coming back at him.

... I didn't "whine" about O Really supposedly calling me a coward; I questioned it.

... I can attest to that somewhat by the first subject I commented on wherein I was insulted as an insecure coward.

I searched the Free Range Kids thread for both words and couldn't find either.

Well, I have to respond to this.

I'm sorry you have bought into the fear culture so much you fear going out by yourself. It must limit your life experiences a lot. But unless you live in some really awful place, I'd say your fear is overblown. Most attacks aren't random, and they aren't from some boogey-man hiding in an alley. Take some training in self-defense, which includes avoiding problems. Get some confidence, based on knowledge and training. Take charge of your life. And teach that to your kids, if any.

"insecure coward" was not very accurate for a journalist. After your gripe - ironic given that you're griping about the "squabbling, infantile, petty b.s." here - I read your posts and the reasoned responses to them (not counting my ignored Mr.B, homerfobe & Kernel Taylor). Whichever side one comes down on they weren't abusive. I'd suggest that you may not be suited for any forum.

Since he never called you an "insecure coward", you whined and evidently still are.

You say I'm picking on you; who's whining now? ...

I merely stated fact. You'll have to get better at it for me to feel picked on.

I know now why there's so much animosity against you ...

Yep, as all your running away demonstrates, it's because my harsh-ish style is accompanied by fact, logic and reason that you and they are incapable of even trying to address. So, y'all throw a hissy fit.

... you've chosen to make your discussions with me as much about me as about the issue at hand....

Point proved, thank you. It's even become exclusively about me. Sad.

[Mr.B]

Seth Milner wrote:
"... You started on me with some sort of crack about my past, and it's slowly been building since."

Vrede wrote:
"Lie®, you went after me out of the blue:"
http://blueridgedebate.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2015
"There's nothing more pathetic® than a poster that dishes it out, lies about having done so, and then whines® about it coming back at him."
"... you've chosen to make your discussions with me as much about me as about the issue at hand...."

Whine, whine, whine! What a paranoid weenie! The only post in that thread by Seth Milner that even has your name in it is the one with the gif of the fighting dinosaurs! You've been called out for the hateful, condescending jerk you are, and you can't stand the truth. Crybaby....everybody's picking on you! Good grief.

Oh yeah, 'bout forgot this .... "You reap what you sow".

[Vrede too]

Caution, strong language (some people here think that's worse than their own bigotry ).



"God don't like ugly."

[bannination]

Caution, strong language (some people here think that's worse than their own bigotry ).
"God don't like ugly."

Ha! Justice served.

[homerfobe]

Gee, was it something I said?

[GoCubsGo]

SC Senate votes to remove flag from Statehouse grounds

Bad for business.




http://news.yahoo.com/south-carolina-la ... c_src=copy

[JTA]

SC Senate votes to remove flag from Statehouse grounds

Bad for business.




http://news.yahoo.com/south-carolina-la ... c_src=copy

Looks like rebel flags are still going for $20+ for the cheap china ones you normally get for ~5 bucks. I hope no one tries to take advantage of a contraction of the confederate flag supply and try to do some carpet bagging.

[O Really]

OK, so I thought those thinking Obama was going to mount an armed invasion of Texas were just a few of the looniest loons. But noooooo! Lot of Texas idiots apparently find some credence in that ridiculous conspiracy theory that would embarrass most tin-foil experts...
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/some-t ... ar-AAcyDaU

And they get to vote! And breed!

[GoCubsGo]

OK, so I thought those thinking Obama was going to mount an armed invasion of Texas were just a few of the looniest loons. But noooooo! Lot of Texas idiots apparently find some credence in that ridiculous conspiracy theory that would embarrass most tin-foil experts...
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/some-t ... ar-AAcyDaU

And they get to vote! And breed!

And buy lotsa guns ('cause the gubmint is settin' up them FEMA camps)!!!

[Boatrocker]

OK, so I thought those thinking Obama was going to mount an armed invasion of Texas were just a few of the looniest loons. But noooooo! Lot of Texas idiots apparently find some credence in that ridiculous conspiracy theory that would embarrass most tin-foil experts...
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/some-t ... ar-AAcyDaU

And they get to vote! And breed!

You hafta factor in the low average IQ in Texass.

[O Really]

You'd think. Back last fall, I was out in Dallas/Ft. Worth for a week or so off and on, and everybody I met or saw seemed pretty normal. Probably don't have to get very far off the road to get into some boggy moors, though, I'd guess.

[Seth Milner]

I just heard about this. TVLand, as we know, and they made no announcement or have yet commented about, removed the Dukes of Hazzard reruns obviously because the depiction of the Confederate flag on the roof of the General Lee was deemed to be racist and offensive.

Now they've announced a new program in their lineup call 'Ipastor'; the storyline being about a guy on the run who settles in a small town disguised as a gay preacher. Go figure.

[Vrede too]

Fwiw, I'm on a fair number of lefty lists and I have yet to get a single message about targeting private entities - TVLand, NASCAR, big box stores, online retailers, etc. - not one. All the focus has been on government display of the slaver flag. These businesses must be making their choices based almost exclusively on internal contemplation.

[Seth Milner]

House votes to ban Confederate flags at federal cemeteries

After just two minutes of floor debate late Tuesday evening, the House passed a measure to prohibit the display of Confederate flags on graves in federal cemeteries.

Despite the lack of fanfare, the vote marked the House's first entry into the debate over removing the Confederate flag from federal property that went beyond codifying already established policies.

Rep. Jared Huffman's (D-Calif.) amendment to the 2016 Interior Department spending bill seeks to end a policy that allows a temporary display of the flag in cemeteries under the jurisdiction of the National Park Service. It sailed through on a voice vote after minimal discussion on the House floor that encountered no opposition. The final vote on the Interior bill is expected on Thursday.

National Park Service Director Jonathan Jarvis issued a directive in 2010 that allows national cemeteries that commemorate a designated Confederate Memorial Day to decorate the graves of Civil War veterans with small Confederate flags. The directive states that decorative flags must be removed "as soon as possible" once the Confederate Memorial Day is over.

"We can honor that history without celebrating the Confederate flag and all of the dreadful things that it symbolizes," Huffman said.
The flag has faced heightened public scrutiny in the aftermath of the shooting at a historically black church in Charleston, S.C., that killed nine people.
The alleged shooter, Dylann Roof, reportedly told law enforcement he wanted to start a race war. Photographs of Roof posing with the Confederate flag in an apparent online manifesto have also since surfaced.
Heaven forbid anyone else ever get their hands on a Confederate flag; it's now widely known that doing so will drive someone insane and cause them to go on a shooting spree in a Black church.

Earlier Tuesday, the House adopted another amendment authored by Huffman to codify a new National Park Service policy by prohibiting new contracts to sell items featuring the Confederate flag in gift stores.

The National Park Service announced the policy days after the June 17 shooting to prevent the sale of stand-alone items with the Confederate flag in gift shops or bookstores. However, it would still allow stores operated by the National Park Service to sell educational items like books or films that include images of the Confederate symbol.
©2015 Capitol Hill Publishing Corp.

[Vrede too]

Should government cemeteries fly the Nazi flag if any Germans that died here during WWII are buried there? How about the ISIS or al Qaeda flag for terrorists that are killed or die in prison?

Heaven forbid anyone else ever get their hands on a Confederate flag; it's now widely known that doing so will drive someone insane and cause them to go on a shooting spree in a Black church.

That's your knee jerk reaction to opposition to the flag despite the fact that no one has said the flag caused the shooting and your being told this is a lame straw man over and over.

[O Really]

The battle flag of Northern Virginia does not cause violence. It does not create racists, segregationists, or white supremacists. . It is held in high regard by many who are not any of those things. Unfortunately, it was hijacked back in 1956 or so by those who are segregationists and white supremacists and the "good guys" didn't do much if anything to defend their flag. Thus it's meaning and symbolism now is much different from what it was when Lee's forces flew it.

Nobody is saying it should be illegal for a private individual to fly whatever flag they want. Even the American Nazi Party...
http://www.americannaziparty.com/

But neither do the rest of us have to find it socially acceptable.

[Mr.B]

Should government cemeteries fly the Nazi flag if any Germans that died here during WWII are buried there? How about the ISIS or al Qaeda flag for terrorists that are killed or die in prison?

IF a frog had wings, he wouldn't bust his ass every time he jumped either, would he?

There's no storyline dealing with flying a flag; nor is there is a Nazi, ISIS, or al Qaeda Memorial Day in the U.S. as you would favor®. Your example is a lame straw man whine many times over. it's about the temporary placement of flags on graves of Confederate dead during specified days of remembrance in a National Park. The placement of flags temporarily is not government endorsement® of the flag as you whining liberals run around shrieking about. Now, a California DipCrat got his way in banishing the flag using operating budget money as leverage. Pitiful and pathetic.

Heaven forbid anyone else ever get their hands on a Confederate flag; it's now widely known that doing so will drive someone insane and cause them to go on a shooting spree in a Black church.

That's your knee jerk reaction to opposition to the flag despite the fact that no one has said the flag caused the shooting and your being told this is a lame straw man over and over.
Seriously, this whole pissin' match over the flag is totally ridiculous; so I have to concur when it was said that Roof inadvertently became a hero of the anti-flaggers.

I sure hope no one around here ever sees another Confederate flag; I would hate to think that it will drive 'em insane and cause 'em to go on a shooting spree!

[Mr.B]

But neither do the rest of us have to find it socially acceptable.

There's no law against hurting someone's feeling either, or someone being a complete as*hole. Ya think a law against either will ever pass?

[Mr.B]

DMV sells out of NC Confederate battle flag plate after flap

RALEIGH (AP) — Talk about ending sales of a North Carolina license plate bearing the Confederate battle flag prompted a sales rush that sold out the available stock.

The News & Observer of Raleigh reports (http://bit.ly/1foquYl ) that 152 Confederate flag plates sold out in seven days after Gov. Pat McCrory said North Carolina should stop issuing the tags. State Department of Transportation spokesman Mike Charbonneau says more plates it will be available in about 30 days.

Efforts to remove the Confederate battle flag from public spaces followed the fatal church shooting of nine people in Charleston, S.C., last month.
(somehow the name Dylynn Roof comes to mind .... wonder why?)

McCrory said lawmakers needed to end the specialty plate, which is associated with the Sons of Confederate Veterans. Lawmakers countered that McCrory can act on his own.